The Official Status Thread
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@Tsaukpaetra She's not getting anything. She's having a cyst removed.
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I voted remain. Just thought @blakeyrat might want to know
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@Jaloopa Did anyone vote "remain, except for Scotland"?
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@blakeyrat Disappointing really, we'd expect you to try to add on a 'grow large enough to terrorize cities' organ.
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Status: wow, :nod: managed to crash my browser.
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@Tsaukpaetra Wat is theme?
Also it probably ran out of memory, that's what usually causes that message...
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@sloosecannon said in The Official Status Thread:
Wat is theme?
IIRC it's Domination for layers. (com.annihilation.domination)
@sloosecannon said in The Official Status Thread:
Also it probably ran out of memory, that's what usually causes that message...
Yeah, I have something of an open tabs issue.... I've limited it though! Now I only have about ten open tabs now!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
IIRC it's Domination for layers. (com.annihilation.domination)
Interesting.
Gonna get that.
Yoink.
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Status: Tried to teach a tiny 9-neuron brain to play tic tac toe.
Outcome: failure. Cause: I miscounted, it really had zero neurons.
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@error said in The Official Status Thread:
I turned 20 today.
Filed under: In hexadecimal, at least.
My boss turned 30 this year and I turned actual 30 :)
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code works
build to lab
code doesn't work. VS throws a viewstate error.
Literally nothing has changed.
fucking fuckity fuck
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
code doesn't work. VS throws a viewstate error.
Use a fresh browser with a fresh login.
Cycle the app pool.
Ensure files from older deployments are cleared out from the site.
Stop using viewstate, cripes.
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
viewstate
What is that? Some misguided attempt to make HTTP stateful?
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Thought I'd try out the new Windows Wallet but it seems that not only is the Win10 update not available from my network, not even that my phone isn't supported (despite having NFC), but also that it's only available in the US.
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@Tsaukpaetra Viewstate generally means you're also using postbacks, which generally means you're pissing off all the users of your website all the time forever, because postbacks suuuuuck. (And have been superseded since, what, 2008 or so? Come ooooon man.)
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status Dammit Microsoft. If you want me to use the fucking Insider SDK, fucking TELL me. Don't tell me
Windows Software Development Kit (SDK) for Windows 10
- that's the wrong fucking SDK! Just wasted a day and a half reinstalling/nuking/etc VS2015 before figuring out what the problem really was. (Which leads to another rant that the Visual Studio uninstaller is the worst piece of crap in existence)
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@blakeyrat said in The Official Status Thread:
@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
code doesn't work. VS throws a viewstate error.
Use a fresh browser with a fresh login.
nope
Cycle the app pool.
didn't work. Even went full IISRESET
Ensure files from older deployments are cleared out from the site.
That was partially it, I think. I just ended up rebuilding the entire project (including all the shit that doesn't normally get rebuilt unless there's a change and then people forget to build it when they change it) and redeployed everything. It worked.
Stop using viewstate, cripes.
How do you propose .Net (non-MVC) forms work without a viewstate?
Sidenote: Must remember to finally set up SERVER SIDE viewstate.
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@blakeyrat said in The Official Status Thread:
because postbacks suuuuuck.
How?
@blakeyrat said in The Official Status Thread:
(And have been superseded since, what, 2008 or so? Come ooooon man.)
With what?
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
How do you propose .Net (non-MVC) forms work without a viewstate?
Do you mean WebForms?
".Net forms" is not a thing that exists, as far as I'm aware.
WebForms will only require viewstate if you're using postbacks-- if you're not using postbacks, then you should also turn off viewstate. And if you are using postbacks, then stop using postbacks, they're fucking awful-- using AJAX with WebForms isn't very difficult.
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Status: Trying to work and there's a cat fight under my desk. I wonder how much it would be to have their little fuzzy legs removed.
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@Cursorkeys said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Trying to work and there's a cat fight under my desk. I wonder how much it would be to have their little fuzzy legs removed.
Probably about $400. Per leg.
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
How?
Because it introduces tons of "oops, clicked too quick, site's broken now" issues since you have no control over how fast or slow the browser renders the page.
The typical example is, say you have a select box for Category and Subcategory. When you select Category, WebForms does a postback to populate Subcategory. Well, postbacks are "silent" (they don't disable controls), so what happens is this:
- User selects their Category
- Browser begins loading new page with very little in the way of user-visible feedback (sure a tiny spinner appears somewhere but that's easy to miss)
- User opens the Subcategory menu, finding it to be blank. "What the shit?" they say.
- Browser finally reloads, now the user's menu disappears, the entire page flashes, and everything looks broken. "Why is this site broken?" the user says.
Yeah that horrible experience was required back in 2001 when WebForms was designed, because AJAX wasn't a "thing" yet. WebForms has had AJAX support since like 2008 or 2009, it's been ages.
Here's an article from 2008 about it: http://www.asp.net/web-forms/overview/older-versions-getting-started/aspnet-ajax/understanding-partial-page-updates-with-asp-net-ajax. It's been long enough that maybe everything in that article is obsolete, it just gives you an idea about how creaky and ancient your busted-ass site is.
And note if you're doing AJAXy stuff and you fail to disable the controls properly (like, hm, NodeBB fails to do almost all the time) you can still have horrible "clicked too fast, everything's broken now" errors. If you can't accept user input, either because a postback is happening or because you're waiting on an AJAX response, disable the damned controls dammit. (And have a timeout.)
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@Cursorkeys said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Trying to work and there's a cat fight under my desk. I wonder how much it would be to have their little fuzzy legs removed.
Probably about $400. Per leg.
Too expensive. Shame duct tape wouldn't be effective with all that fur.
It's like living with two little drunks. They sleep most of the day, are affectionate briefly and then, for no reason, beat the living daylights out of something...then back to sleep again.
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@Cursorkeys said in The Official Status Thread:
Shame duct tape wouldn't be effective with all that fur.
You're clearly not using enough duct tape.
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Status: Apparently we're now spacing account numbers by 8, because... raisins?
Why is it so hard to count
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@blakeyrat Any tutorial or something you can link about this webforms without postback thing you're talking about? I don't remember anything like that.
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@fbmac said in The Official Status Thread:
@blakeyrat Any tutorial or something you can link about this webforms without postback thing you're talking about? I don't remember anything like that.
Um...
@blakeyrat said in The Official Status Thread:
Here's an article from 2008 about it: http://www.asp.net/web-forms/overview/older-versions-getting-started/aspnet-ajax/understanding-partial-page-updates-with-asp-net-ajax. It's been long enough that maybe everything in that article is obsolete,
Yeah, he edited it in later, but it's there at the time of your post....
Edit: Adding quote attribution.
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@Tsaukpaetra Oh, that's the fucking UpdatePanel. God damn, I hate UpdatePanel. Tons of bizarre bugs, all hard to debug. UpdatePanel and that AjaxControlToolkit monstrosity.
It's like CSS. If you're writing a new, sane thing, you may not notice how evil this stuff is. It's when you inherit a shitty project that you'll see the true terror of this.
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@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
Did anyone vote "remain, except for Scotland"?
If they'd had “remain, except for London” I think almost everywhere else would have gone for it.
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@fbmac said in The Official Status Thread:
Oh, that's the fucking UpdatePanel. God damn, I hate UpdatePanel. Tons of bizarre bugs, all hard to debug. UpdatePanel and that AjaxControlToolkit monstrosity.
Well, it was an article from 2008, things might have changed! ;)
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@Tsaukpaetra My hate for UpdatePanel hasn't changed :P
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Status: bet for forfeits on a Remain vote. In the event of a Leave vote, I'm to write a slashfic about the characters in a Star Wars fanfic I'm writing - said characters being quite dear to me. And I can't think of a forfeit myself - my suggestion, that he Powerpuff himself and keep it as his avatar on My Other ForumTM for a month - was rejected by himself as too soft. Any ideas? Must be legal and not inappropriate given he's a minor.
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Status: listening to the Tron movie soundtrack. Makes me full of determination.
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Status: This long weekend that I was talked in to is turning in to a clusterfuck.
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Status: If you are a hotel I am staying at, and your wifi is shit, and your equipment is protected with really weak passwords, I will crank the QoS up on my IP address to 11. Be warned.
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Blakeycat is so good at eating pills, I think I should give her a trophy.
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Status: Finally got a code signing certificate! Very simple process - once they figured out I really did send my phone bill. ("It's on page 2 top of 2nd column - says AT&T Voice") Oh and the Notary process was a PIA too.
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@blakeyrat said in The Official Status Thread:
I should give her a trophy.
I'm sure she'd rather have, say, some tuna.
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My Oculus Rift arrives tomorrow. Happy Birthday to me.
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@error said in The Official Status Thread:
My Oculus Rift arrives tomorrow. Happy Birthday to me.
Meanwhile I have to make-do with poor-man's version in Google Cardboard and Vridge
Filed under: The site apparently doesn't have so very good meta...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
The site apparently doesn't have so very good meta...
You can say that again.
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
The site apparently doesn't have so very good meta...
Thanks.
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Status: Apparently Windows File Copy doesn't use natural sorting.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
natural sorting
Why would it bother? It's doing everything in its transfer list anyway…
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@dkf said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
natural sorting
Why would it bother? It's doing everything in its transfer list anyway…
I'm not saying it's wrong, just that now I'm interested in the test results of files specifically crafted to detect things like pattern shifting and overwriting based on a (supposedly contiguous) stream of data.
Now I expect the data to appear corrupt after the first gigabyte, because it's copied all the 100-series before copying number 2.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: listening to the Tron movie soundtrack. Makes me full of determination.
Original or Legacy? Because the soundtrack was probably be best thing about Legacy.
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Status: eBay, stop sending links to the login page in emails to people damn it! I thought we all agreed not to do this in order to get people used to not clicking those? No? I missed a memo again?
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@Onyx said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: eBay, stop sending links to the login page in emails to people damn it! I thought we all agreed not to do this in order to get people used to not clicking those? No? I missed a memo again?
Well if you were logged in....
Same thing happens in my Amazon reminder emails TBH.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Well if you were logged in....
Not really, no. I didn't try clicking it either, no time to deal with it now, it's a "hey, you should probably update your credentials, it's been a year" thing.
Given that it's a unique random password and there's no way to get any of relevant data past my name and address even if someone broke into it... eh?
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@Onyx said in The Official Status Thread:
it's a "hey, you should probably update your credentials, it's been a year" thing.
Huh. Never got one of those. Probably fake. I've had the same password for half a decade on eBay...