Vote of No Confidence
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The correct solution to this problem is to not give a fuck what I think.
You give a fuck when i misremember previous conversations and so accidentally misattribute quotes to you that you in fact did not say. you give a fuck when i misinterpret past conversations and accidentally present my misinterpretation. You have in the past given enough fucks that if they were plutonium they would have reached critical mass and detonated.
I give a fuck when you baselessly call me a liar. I don't give a fuck if you think it, and i wouldn't give a fuck if it were true, but when it is not true and you call me a liar i do indeed give a precious fuck about that. as well i should.
The "local" ones (unless you live in Nevada) will get you arrested.
And that has stopped the practice and profession from existing, nay thriving since time immemorial?Blakeyrat is using mean words!
when you use words clearly designed and intended to attack me and/or my reputation, i will do exactly that. You know this to be true and you know that i would be justified in doing so.In this case you are not, so i will not.
I bet I get mod warnings for this very post.
not on my account you won't. If they take it on themselves to tell you to chill out, or someone else complains on my behalf i have no control over that.I'll further mention that I have directly complained to the mods exactly three times about you, according to my PM history. Two incidents were nearly nine months ago now, and the most recent one was not so much of a complaint as a "wasn't that a bit much?" question that was CLOSED-WONTFIX by the mods. It was also about four months ago.
This is of course not counting the times i've asked for various conversations to be split into their own threads so as not to pollute the host thread they were originally part of. If you choose to consider that mod abuse than that is your perogative of course.
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And that has stopped the practice and profession from existing, nay thriving since time immemorial?
Nay!
Na7!Y!!!(@^Y!@YTT@Y!Y#T!Y#!R#
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@accalia said:
And that has stopped the practice and profession from existing, nay thriving since time immemorial?
Nay!
Na7!Y!!!(@^Y!@YTT@Y!Y#T!Y#!R#
I'm sorry, Have i accidentally triggered you? or are you answering my question.It's rather hard to tell the difference.
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Just laughing at how whenever you engage me, you completely change styles and start writing like an 18th century speechwriter. But I didn't have time to come up with a real joke because I gotta catch a bus, so I just typed that instead.
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Just laughing at how whenever you engage me, you completely change styles and start writing like an 18th century speechwriter.
Is that an affectation that displeaseth you? If it displeaseth this one could adopt a different tonality. Perhaps affecting the tonality of a gangsta rapper would pleaseth thou better?
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No, it just makes you look like a jerk.
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Then i shall remain with my current mode of speech, as it is my standard, save for the fact that i take more care with my phrase selection when speaking to Blakey than i would otherwise.
I thank you for your feedback and will use it to improve my communication on this forum.
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I cast another monthly vote of no confidence.
Server cooties is one thing, but why would the site pop up "An error happened" if the post was actually posted fine causing me to double post?
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Server cooties is one thing
Several hours of “one thing” it seems. (Is
appropriate here?)
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Is dat a affectation dat displeaseth yo slick ass, biatch? If it displeaseth dis one could adopt a gangbangin' finger-lickin' different tonality. Perhaps affectin tha tonalitizzle of a gangsta rapper would pleaseth thou better?
I don't see much of a differnce, tbh.
Filed Under: Thanks gizoogle
Also Filed Under: Need a Filed Under #tag
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if I tap the d
If I hold it, discourse's front-end gets overly stimulated
:gig... You're doing this on purpose, aren't you.
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Close your
fuckingsub tags!
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I take it you never used the original Steam forum?
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gizoogle
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It's a dry run for a moon base?
I'm guessing it's massive stress testing for a super-secret PRNG.....
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Well, given the cootie storms today, I reaffirm my lack of confidence in Discourse's ability to be anything more than shit.
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Well, given the cootie storms today
Looks like there's something badly wrong in (at least one of) the jobs run by sidekiq.
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Looks like there's something badly wrong in (at least one of) the jobs run by sidekiq.
Are saying that sidekiq jobs are not part of the Discourse experience?
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I don't understand why you thank Discourse for SockBot and related? What is stopping you from writing similar bots for other, more functional forum software? I made a little web-app for posting anonymous quotes and maintain a web server purely because why not? Pet projects don't need external excuses, the excuse is that they are fun
I cast my vote of No Confidence for the following reasons:
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Scroll-bar bullshit: Everyone already knows this
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LISTS DON'T AUTOCONTINUE! Jeff have you ever used any functional application in your life?
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It doesn't feel like a forum, it feels like a very shitty chatroom, and since when do chatrooms encourage "civilized" discourse?
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JavaScript rendering: Slow as all holy hell
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A billion ajax calls
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Who ever needed a clean history anyway? You will just clear it after your nightly porn session!
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ServerCooties- Most places that run phpBB don't shit themselves daily, and for unknown reasons
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Jeff comes off as a holier-than-thou douche who thinks he is funny with his stupid image jokes
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Look at the top few hundred posts of this thread. Look how the community has shrunk since Discourse
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EDIT: I forgot, Discourse HIJACKS MY SHORTCUT KEYS: Fuck you Discourse! This is MY computer, I paid for it! I manage it! It is my damn baby, don't you DARE try to take control of it in ANY way!
/endrant
tl:dr Discourse sucks, what else is new
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Not trying to defend Discourse here:
LISTS DON'T AUTOCONTINUE!
What? They totally autocontinue. Blakeyrat has been ranting about this for ages. Try making a list 1. 2. 4. and see how auto it continues
Who ever needed a clean history anyway?
There is an option to turn the history clutter off. It might break other things, though. Just warning you in advance... but it was one of the first things they "fixed", afair.
and for unknown reasons
No, no. The reasons are known. They are simply everything that Jeff doesn't approve of. Bots, /t/1000, people using the software, etc.
Jeff comes off as a holier-than-thou douche who thinks he is funny with his stupid image jokes
His last post is from june 21th. Doesn't make his ealier posts better but at least he hasn't been posting meme images for a while
Look at the top few hundred posts of this thread. Look how the community has shrunk since Discourse
At least this means the smaller community didn't get more quiet ;P
Filed Under: I made 2 anti servercootie-topics so take this as my vote. Though I still don't HATE Discourse like some others do!
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It doesn't feel like a forum, it feels like a very shitty chatroom, and since when do chatrooms encourage "civilized" discourse?
This is IMO the worst problem. Disco encourages spamming so badly...
And the cooties.
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What? They totally autocontinue
There is an option to turn the history clutter off
So, why isn't there a "Welcome to Discourse! Here is your hand-holding kit because everything is obtuse and poorly designed" message after you sign up? With a link to documentation that includes info on settings, where to find info, and markdown syntax? Serious question, I often feel that I have to fight and make mistakes to learn anything hereAnd that list thing still doesn't work for me. No repro
It might break other things, though
And yet they sell installs of this "Software" as a legitimate forum solution? Can we report them to the Better Business Bureau?
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So, why isn't there a "Welcome to Discourse! Here is your hand-holding kit because everything is obtuse and poorly designed" message after you sign up?
Because Jeff in his infinite wisdom after DESIGNING AND USING HIS OWN FORUM SOFTWARE probably decided that everything was perfectly discoverable. I mean, just press ? and you get some handy shortcuts that work almost 50% of the time! (There was a topic about this on meta a few days ago and I wanted to link it here but I don't like searching, sorry)
With a link to documentation
Afair, your documentation pretty much boils down to
visit meta.d -> use the search -> get confused -> open a topic -> get told that it's a duplicate -> hope they post a link to the original topic that almost has the answer to your question if your question was completely different -> give up
markdown syntax
It apparently is some standard markdown dialect you can google for. Don't bother, though. They will change it in the near future, afair!
Can we report them to the Better Business Bureau?
Better yet, it has already been reported to the TDWTF-forums!
And that list thing still doesn't work for me. No repro
Maybe we mean different things. Or maybe they fixed the auto correct on the numbers. I don't know and can't be bothered to test things out.
Filed Under: If you wanna test things, just make a topic in one post or something.
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IMO It's the lack of pagination that does it. Pages help to disrupt the conversation into discrete and useful units and require effort to be involved in. This is in direct contrast to infinite scrolling that pretty much just pours trash at your face until you've been sated like your scarfing down your tenth bag of chips
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No, no. The reasons are known. They are simply everything that Jeff doesn't approve of. Bots, /t/1000, people using the software, etc.
None of which were responsible for today's cooties. We can blame the sidekiq jobs for that. Apparently, Discourse was trying to commit seppuku.
His last post is from june 21th. Doesn't make his ealier posts better but at least he hasn't been posting meme images for a while
Yeah, his co-founder told him to stay away from our site. But he still treats us like dirt when we report bugs. For example, in late May I was suspended from meta.d for asking for details regarding usage-frequency of a broken feature (identified by Jeff as "arguing"), and my bug report was deleted (not just my question post, the entire bug topic). I was allowed back on "a 12, 2015". That's right, my suspension revealed another bug.
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None of which were responsible for today's cooties. We can blame the sidekiq jobs for that. Apparently, Discourse was trying to commit seppuku.
Meh, DiscoDevs say spam attack:
https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/servercooties-are-annoying-again/50616/13?u=kuroAnd after that they say bots:
@sam said:These bots need to back down, the put wood on burning fire
So take that as you will. I am not sure what happened, why it happened and how we could stop it. I just hope somebody at some point clears things up
But he still treats us like dirt when we report bugs.
Point taken. But meta.d is more or less easily avoidable, right? Not that your bugs will get fixed if you don't report them but potato!
Filed Under: Po-tah-to
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Meh, DiscoDevs
saysuspect spam attack:Don't really know
is going on. The only definitive thing so far is that @boomzilla found errors in the sidekiq logs indicating excessive memory usage and too many DB connections.And after that they say bots:
Sam was just complaining that the bots weren't slowing down on pinging the site when they got 500 errors. There's no indication that the bots contributed to the cootie storm at all.
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Discourse was trying to commit seppuku.
Pity it didn't succeed (although that was about the closest I've ever seen it get).
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It apparently is some standard markdown dialect you can google for. Don't bother, though. They will change it in the near future, afair!
They've been meaning to switch to a different markdown library for about a quarter year by now.
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Are saying that sidekiq jobs are not part of the Discourse experience?
They seem to be more part of the barrier to experiencing Discourse.
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And after that they say bots:
@sam wouldn't have said that if there wasn't a reason for it.
We like sam!
In this case he was commenting that
he bots weren't slowing down on pinging the site when they got 500 errors. There's no indication that the bots contributed to the cootie storm at all.
I had missed the backoff code from sockbot legacy to sockbot2.0. what was happening is the bots were crashing (because of another, now fixed bug) when the site hit cooties, then trying to log in again, but with no cooldown.
That's been fixed so the bots will stop hammering the site when server cooties attack.
There's no indication that the bots contributed to the cootie storm at all.
They likely didn't cause the storm, but their behavior certainly didn't help recovery.
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Recently, they added an automated "Website Performance Report" feature. There's a topic in staff where the report is posted daily. It list various things, including server load for the day by IP, user and end points. The biggest draw by IP was @loopback0's bots. We disabled a couple of them the other day and I got the others just now. They were also way out of date and generating a lot of 404s due to API drift.
Next up on the list is @accalia's suite of bots / cyberparts, though @RaceProUK and @NetBot are right up at the top of the list, too.
We'll see if making /t/1000 read only tamps down on the cooties enough. If not, it'll get moved to Staff or similar. There has also been a lot of activity by non-logged in users, possibly spam attempts or something. Not sure what can be done there.
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Next up on the list is @accalia's suite of bots / cyberparts
shocker that. I am running the lot of them out of one VPS/IP.
I'm currently only running 5 bots (well 4 bots and one cyberparts) given that is my IP wildly out of whack for usage?
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though @RaceProUK and @NetBot are right up at the top of the list, too.
I have four bots (one is my cybers) running on one EC2, so again it'll all be from one IP. Aside from t/1000 activity (which I'll disable later today as the thread has been made read-only), they don't do much; I'd be surprised if they were contributory.Now to wait for the inevitable; you all know exactly who I mean.
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These were the top 3 IP addresses (addresses replaced by username):
IP Address Duration Reqs ---------- -------- ---- loopback0's 14372.67 7318 accalia's 10791.08 6599 abarker's 5713.48 1279And, top users:
Top 30 users by Server Load Username Duration Reqs -------- -------- ---- [Anonymous] 91147.42 103805 RaceProUK 6518.68 3769 NetBot 5703.94 2788 CodingHorrorBot 4368.81 9882 PaulaBean 3953.02 11134 accalia 3873.44 3935 sockbot 2883.90 1983 Zoidberg 2875.68 1941 mrguyorama 2739.41 2950 ...The cooties seem pretty calm since I zapped the rest of @loopback0's bots.
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And I just nixed my autolikers, so my figures should drop over the next few days
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Unrelated to bots or cooties....
+1 (re)vote of no confidence...
Somehow Jeffing of posts from the bad jokes thread means I can't read the thread from my regular IE11 browser (yes me trwtf, blah blah IE blah, but still)
Windows closing IE, try debug, etc... until it just gives up.Switched to Chrome, had a handful of new bad jokes, IE showed 4 gray and 55 blue unread posts - so I'm guessing the Jeffing must be involved... with breaking the thread (for me).
What is Civilization coming to?
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hmmm
10k for 5 bots, that's ~2k per bot.
that puts each bot on par with a regular user (i see @mrguyorama is at 2.7k and i assume there's no bot activity there)
that makes me feel better at least, the bots are on par with an active non cyberized users when it comes to server load. It's just the grouping of them onto one IP that's inflating the numbers (you can deflate them by looking at useragents. the bots set unique to each bot useragents)...
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They've been meaning to switch to a different markdown library for about a quarter year by now.
Didn't Jeff make his own Markdown library or spec or something? And Dbelgiume doesn't even use it?
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Holy crap I'm in the top users? I've been here like, two weeks
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It's a rolling average.
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These were the top 3 IP addresses (addresses replaced by username):
IP Address Duration Reqs ---------- -------- ---- loopback0's 14372.67 7318 accalia's 10791.08 6599 abarker's 5713.48 1279 ```</blockquote> I made the top 3? And I don't even use bots, baby!
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I was surprised that I wasn't listed ...
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@aliceif said:
They've been meaning to switch to a different markdown library for about a quarter year by now.
Didn't Jeff make his own Markdown library or spec or something? And Dbelgiume doesn't even use it?
Spec, yes. That's the one the Ducksauce is supposed to switch to "soon".
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Holy crap I'm in the top users? I've been here like, two weeks
moving fast you are!
i'd say you should check your stats on @shadowmod but he's offline due to a fatal hardware error and @PJH hasn't gotten him back on his feet yet, possibly due to servercooties
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Holy crap I'm in the top users? I've been here like, two weeks
Those were yesterday's numbers. You only needed to be here then.
I made the top 3? And I don't even use bots, baby!
Yep. Big day for you. I'm guessing /t/1000 inflated the load for you. I wanted to include the next IP on the list for comparison.
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I made the top 3? And I don't even use bots, baby!
not only that but the sigular you managed to eat up almost as much run time as all of my active bots combined!oh. no. you did about half what all my bots did combined. me can read tables gud when you put them all on one line discourse!
