what ginger is your beer
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@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
@Polygeekery OK, now what about the supermarket that buys the stuff in bulk.
They put it on a deeply discounted sale, at or even below cost, and clear the shelves off so that they can put something on them that'll sell better.
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@anotherusername That kinda solves the practical problem (supermarket will lose money), but not the legal problem. In the end, someone will always go to court, especially if large sums of money are involved. And when that happens, an unambiguous rule is incredibly helpful and saves everyone a lot of .
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@asdf in some cases it makes sense, but not in the case of ginger ale / beer. They are the same thing.
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@anotherusername Yeah, I already admitted that a while ago, somewhere . @boomzilla dragged me into a huge discussion, and we haven't been talking about ginger beer for quite some time now. :D
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@Maciejasjmj said in what ginger is your beer:
If you're trying to spin it as scandalous, it's not working much.
No, just the opposite. Go back and read. It was @asdf who thought this was a ridiculous thing to say.
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@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
In the end, someone will always go to court, especially if large sums of money are involved.
: You accepted the product and paid the vendor?
: Yes, your honor.
: Case dismissed.Stop ignoring the giant hole in your story.
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@boomzilla said in what ginger is your beer:
: You accepted the product and paid the vendor?
: Yes, your honor.
: Case dismissed.I see, you studied law.
Stop ignoring the giant hole in your story.
I already offered a variant of my example in which it would have been reasonable to pay the vendor before checking the product:
@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
The product is already on the shelves and the manufacturer changes it.
At some point, there will be a legal argument over this. And no, "you paid, so fuck you" is not how this works at all.
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@boomzilla said in what ginger is your beer:
It was @asdf who thought this was a ridiculous thing to say.
That it was technically correct doesn't make it any less ridiculous to bring up as an argument.
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@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
we haven't been talking about ginger beer for quite some time now
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@Weng said in what ginger is your beer:
There are actually ginger beers and root beers that are not just slightly alcoholic, but "this is actually beer" alcoholic.
They are good.
Yup. Some are alcoholic.
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@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
I already offered a variant of my example in which it would have been reasonable to pay the vendor before checking the product:
@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:The product is already on the shelves and the manufacturer changes it.
So...they cast a magic spell or something? They broke into the store and secretly replaced all the coffee with Foldgers crystals? I guess I ignored this because it made absolutely no sense.
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@Maciejasjmj said in what ginger is your beer:
@boomzilla said in what ginger is your beer:
It was @asdf who thought this was a ridiculous thing to say.
That it was technically correct doesn't make it any less ridiculous to bring up as an argument.
It doesn't make it any more ridiculous either. But it does highlight the ridiculous of ginger beer regulations.
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@boomzilla Wait till you hear about PGIs!
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@coldandtired Oh, yes, I'm familiar with that nonsense. I make it a point to call all bubbly wine champagne.
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@coldandtired said in what ginger is your beer:
Wait till you hear about PGIs!
Which, BTW, I won't defend because they're stupid. Reserving a term for a product produced in a specific way: Totally okay. Reserving a term for a product produced in a certain region: Protectionist nonsense.
@boomzilla said in what ginger is your beer:
So...they cast a magic spell or something? They broke into the store and secretly replaced all the coffee with Foldgers crystals?
At this point, I'm just going to assume you're deliberately misunderstanding me because you know you've lost the argument. Thanks for all the , I'm out of this thread.
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@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
At this point, I'm just going to assume you're deliberately misunderstanding me because you know you've lost the argument.
What? No, please, explain what this means:
@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
The product is already on the shelves and the manufacturer changes it.
So, I'm a market and I purchased something from a vendor. It shows up, looks like what I thought it was, I pay for it, now it's sitting on my shelves.
How does the manufacturer change it?
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@boomzilla said in what ginger is your beer:
How does the manufacturer change it?
You have bought from the manufacturer multiple times, so you're confident in the quality of the product. After a year or so, they drastically change the product without telling you, and since they're a vendor you already know well you pay without checking the product in detail. That's the new scenario I was walking about, and it's perfectly reasonable.
I know you're going to respond "they should have checked the product, even if they've worked with the vendor for a long time". That response would completely miss the point: First of all, you still don't know whether that's legal or fraud, so you haven't solved the potential legal problem arising from the situation. And secondly I already mentioned that part of the point of trade regulations is to simplify trade, which saves money, because you know you are protected by the law if someone tries something like this and you therefore don't have to double-check what the product is all the time.
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@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
That's the new scenario I was walking about, and it's perfectly reasonable
Ah, it sounded like they were changing the stuff on the shelves.
@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
I know you're going to respond "they should have checked the product, even if they've worked with the vendor for a long time". That response would completely miss the point:
No. You always check stuff that comes in. Because mistakes happen and the wrong stuff gets shipped. This is just normal acceptance inspection stuff. "Not what we ordered...send it back."
Sorry, but you're not coming near convincing me that this is something we need laws about.
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@Luhmann said in what ginger is your beer:
Even if it's red?
It's never happened to me, but sure, why not? I'd probably say "red champagne." What else would I call it?
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@Polygeekery said in what ginger is your beer:
...oh what I would give to be a case of Guinness Extra Stout....
Does anyone else like her more than Irish Girl?
Also, apparently this PSA is necessary: NO ONE ON THIS THREAD IS ADVOCATING LEGALIZING FRAUD. Have a Nice Day.
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@antiquarian said in what ginger is your beer:
Does anyone else like her more than Irish Girl?
It's the boots and the upskirt ass shot.
Also...beer.
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@boomzilla
Lambrusco if it's Italian
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@Luhmann No one would have a clue what I was talking about if I said that. "Red champagne" OTOH is perfectly clear.
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@boomzilla said in what ginger is your beer:
"Red champagne" OTOH is perfectly
clearred.FTFY.
Isn't pink champagne a thing? I'm sure there were some song lyrics about drinking it on a yacht.
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@boomzilla
I wouldn't trust anyone trying to offer me red champagne.
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@Luhmann said in what ginger is your beer:
@boomzilla
I wouldn't trust anyone trying to offer me red champagne.But the blood of your enemies is good for you!
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@Luhmann said in what ginger is your beer:
@boomzilla
I wouldn't trust anyone trying to offer me red champagne.Right, but if they called it luchador or whatever you said before...how would you know?
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@boomzilla
I would ask wtf a luchador is or Google it. But next time I wanted that I would order it by it's proper name.
But I never would order a luchador ... The mask gets stuck between your teeth.
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@Luhmann said in what ginger is your beer:
@boomzilla
I wouldn't trust anyone trying to offer me red champagne.Not as bad as I thought it might be.
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@Polygeekery
I'm still not accepting a glass of red champagne from @boomzilla ...
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@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
yellow protein mix that melts as "Gouda"?
@boomzilla couldn't tell the difference anyway. He knows cheese like a fish knows a bicycle.
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@boomzilla said in what ginger is your beer:
No. You always check stuff that comes in.
So what if it's you checking the delivery, the order says "Gouda cheese" and you look at it say "Yep, yellow. Pay the man!" but later somebody discovers it's not really Gouda, in fact it's not even cheese at all? It's cleverly disguised yellow plastic! And then when you say "but we ordered Gouda" and the supplier says "Yeah, we call that shit Gouda, sue us" but you can't because you're living in a Libertarian paradise where the invisible hand is tied behind your back because you don't have access to complete information.
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@another_sam said in what ginger is your beer:
it's not even cheese at all? It's cleverly disguised yellow plastic!
That's what Americans think cheese is
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@another_sam said in what ginger is your beer:
So what if it's you checking the delivery, the order says "Gouda cheese" and you look at it say "Yep, yellow. Pay the man!"
Maybe @StrawmanBoomzilla gets fired?
@another_sam said in what ginger is your beer:
you can't because you're living in a Libertarian paradise where the invisible hand is tied behind your back because you don't have access to complete information.
Sweeet! That would be awesome.
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@another_sam said in what ginger is your beer:
you can't because you're living in a Libertarian paradise
Please call me if such a Libertarian paradise ever comes into existence. Then I'll immediately buy a small shop at some beach frequented by a lot of middle-class tourists and start selling "lobster sandwiches" for a lot of which actually contain cheap, lobster-shaped surimi. Maybe also oysters made out of gelatine. I'll get rich!
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@asdf said in what ginger is your beer:
Maybe also oysters made out of gelatine.
PLOT TWIST: The gelatin is actually ginger ale and there's literally NOTHING you can do about it.
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@Jaloopa said in what ginger is your beer:
That's what Americans think cheese is
That's the joke, son.
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@boomzilla said in what ginger is your beer:
Maybe @StrawmanBoomzilla gets fired?
Whoever put @StrawmanBoomzilla in charge of inspecting cheese should be fired.
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@another_sam said in what ginger is your beer:
Whoever put @StrawmanBoomzilla in charge of inspecting cheese should be fired.
Oops...sorry @asdf, but that's how it goes in my libertarian paradise.
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@Yamikuronue said in what ginger is your beer:
@coldandtired said in what ginger is your beer:
Isn't pink champagne a thing?
I love that stuff
Me too!