🔥 Now - about that dodgy Dihydrogen Monoxide...
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I heard over the radio this morning that Flint's Mayor and the Michigan Governor are now "fighting" over which plan is going to be used to replace all the water pipes.
I also
saw in am official government documentheard a rumor that there are FOIA requests going out to the State of Michigan government for all documents related to the current situation. Not really a surprise there, though.
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I also saw in am official government documentheard a rumor that there are FOIA requests going out to the State of Michigan government for all documents related to the current situation. Not really a surprise there, though.
I'm sure that they, like all other "freed" documents (including the ones already FOIA'd) will be heavily redacted for State Secrets Anti-Terrorism Apple Pie reasons.
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I also
saw in am official government documentheard a rumor that there are FOIA requests going out to the State of Michigan government for all documents related to the current situation. Not really a surprise there, though.I just heard a rumor the State of Michigan ordered a train load of black ink.
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Here we go:
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@boomzilla said in 🔥 Now - about that dodgy Dihydrogen Monoxide...:
Here we go:
Thank fuck for that.
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@AyGeePlus Though this bit is not exactly good:
An Associated Press analysis of EPA data found that nearly 1,400 water systems serving 3.6 million Americans exceeded the federal lead standard at least once between the start of 2013 and last September.
Most U.S. cities stopped installing lead pipes in the 1930s to carry water from main lines under the streets and into homes. But a survey by the American Water Works Association found that 6.5 million of these pipes are still in use.
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@Rhywden said in 🔥 Now - about that dodgy Dihydrogen Monoxide...:
But a survey by the American Water Works Association found that 6.5 million of these pipes are still in use.
6.5 million what of those pipes? Miles? Feet? Yards? Meters? Or perhaps they mean that 6.5 million buildings are still connected to water mains by lead pipes?
Damn AP can't even hire "reporters" who can communicate clearly.
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@boomzilla said in 🔥 Now - about that dodgy Dihydrogen Monoxide...:
No lynch mobs taking care of the problem immediately?
They're Canadians. They have polite lynch mobs.
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@abarker Probably pipe sections, which are basically the unit of replacement and like 20ft long.
Much more alarming would be pipe segments - that is, runs between junctions.
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@Weng said in 🔥 Now - about that dodgy Dihydrogen Monoxide...:
Probably pipe sections, which are basically the unit of replacement and like 20ft long.
Much more alarming would be pipe segments - that is, runs between junctions.Unlikely they mean 20' lengths. To my knowledge, they never made large diameter pipe from lead. Too malleable.
The only actual lead pipe that I am aware of is a product similar to roll copper. It is very flexible and used for the final connection from main to house.
On water mains, the older pipes are either cast or ductile iron (or, really old stuff is iron-banded wood) and the bell to spigot joints were sealed by pouring them with lead. The joints were first stuffed with a material called "Oakum" (spelling?) so in theory that lead should not come in contact with water.
Also, beyond all of that, if you properly manipulate your water chemistry, the lead never leaches in to the water.
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@Weng Maybe, but the dann "journalist" didn't say specifically, so we don't know. Damned asshat.
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@abarker I would take a WAG that what they meant to say is that 6.5 million homes draw water from systems that still contain lead.
What they actually said was nonsense, on several levels.
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@Polygeekery said in 🔥 Now - about that dodgy Dihydrogen Monoxide...:
To my knowledge, they never made large diameter pipe from lead. Too malleable.
Some of the really old pipes might be using lead, but I wouldn't expect many of them still in production as a substantial thickness would be required (copper pipes are much thinner for carrying the equivalent pressure) and that much metal is more valuable used elsewhere now.
Also, beyond all of that, if you properly manipulate your water chemistry, the lead never leaches in to the water.
Or at least the leach rate is very low if you keep the water moving.
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@dkf said in 🔥 Now - about that dodgy Dihydrogen Monoxide...:
Some of the really old pipes might be using lead
I have neither seen nor heard of them. In the USA, the really old stuff is wooden water main. Admittedly, I don't have intimate knowledge of water distribution at every place in the USA, but I have worked with it all over the Midwest and the Southeast and the old water main that we have exposed was always either banded wood or cast iron.
The wooden stuff was very interesting. The bell to spigot joint sealed by the swelling of the wood as it got wet. You had to limit the amount of time it was exposed to air and you had to keep it wet or else it could start leaking and would never seal again.
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@abarker note the emphasized part:
Most U.S. cities stopped installing lead pipes in the 1930s to carry water from main lines under the streets and into homes. But a survey by the American Water Works Association found that 6.5 million of these pipes are still in use.
That's a description of a service line, which is what they're counting.
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Flint's
Republican Governornewly elected Democratic mayor appears to be embezzling money meant for approved relief charity.
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