Don't edit @blakeyrat's topic titles
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doesn't have anywhere else to put the title's edit history;
ORLY?
It could put a bubble next to the BIG-ASS PENCIL AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE
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So your complaint is that it says your post has been edited when it hasn't?
No; my complaint is that other people are editing my post without my permission, and I would like that to stop, and also I think WAY too many people (most of them jackasses) have permissions to do that.
The purpose of that screenshot I circled was just to prove you wrong, when you said the title isn't stored as part of my post. Which is wrong.
Scroll up, I've stated it about a million times.
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Try hovering over them, dingus. You really are a nightmare for usability. "I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. NEITHER DID THE PROGRAM. PROGRAM IS BROKEN PLS SEND HELP"
FFS, Blakey has made defending Discourse the reasonable side of this argument.
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It could put a bubble next to the BIG-ASS PENCIL AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE
Not unless it stored title edits somewhere separate from post edits, it couldn't.
you said the title isn't stored as part of my post
I did not. I said the title isn't presented as part of your post. The UI clearly differentiates between them; the edit history does not.
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not fueling flamewars
boomzilla is fine. I like boomzilla. He's probably my favorite staff.
Okay but seriously, do you even know who boomzilla is?
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The UI clearly differentiates between them; the edit history does not.
I demonstrated that is blatantly untrue. If it were true, my post would not have an edit pencil next to it.
I'm done debating the obvious.
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I agree with Blakey.
I don't.
Scrolling down the list of threads trying to remember which ones you're reading is a pain in the bollox without trying to identify which ones have a new cunty name.
It might be hard but it's funny as hell. I haven't changed a topic title in a while but I like when people do that.
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The text that the UI identifies as your post has very clearly not been edited, so that edit pencil is wrong. But it's
. What do you expect? You could probably go file a bug report for it at meta.d and get banned again, if you want to bang your head against that wall.
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It's been funny for a while, but it has gotten out of control. It's next to impossible to find an old thread again.
Well, there's another reason. Threads tend to drift into new directions. I actually like it when threads change titles depending on what is currently discussed since I never remember where the discourse's started but I do remember where it ended. And quite often I click on a thread with a certain title and then get thrown into a middle of completely different talk.
For me, topic title changes are quite often informative.
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Well, there's another reason. Threads tend to drift into new directions.
That's what jeffing is for, isn't it?
And yes, title changes can be informative, but quite often they're not. Especially if they make recognizing the topic impossible.
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For the record,
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I'm not a mod, never have been, unlikely to be, wouldn't want to be.
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Even if I were a mod, the text colour incident was inappropriate, even if I understood what the point of it was.
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I don't change titles often, if I do it's almost always well after other changes have already occurred and I try to limit it to threads where they've been changed a metric fuckton already and where I legitimately think it would be funny. I have not felt the desire, as far as I recall, to change any of blakeyrat's topics, and the one time it was blakeyrat related was the Christmas tree thread where someone changed it from "hazzard" to "hazard" and I changed it back with "now blakeyrat approved spelling"
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I used to have an issue with blakeyrat but then I realised how he operates and don't have an issue with him any more. I honestly thought he didn't have an issue with me either since I generally avoided too many Python jokes (just the occasional one slips in) and don't quote Red Dwarf often either. (It helps that after I had a sort of whine quit, blakeyrat actually remembered, and seemed like he actually gave a fraction of a shit. It gave him some serious respect in my eyes, whether he cares or not.)
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It doesn't seem that hard to get along with blakeyrat if you start from the principle of not being a dick to people, though I know that's a foreign concept round these here parts.
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That's what jeffing is for, isn't it?
And yes, title changes can be informative, but quite often they're not.
Well, not always. The Guacamole thread is an obvious example but there certainly were more, I just don't give a shit enough to notice that.
Oh, I know. The "show your ugly mug" -> "show a picture of your garden" thread in the lounge for example. And there are other smaller threads.
I find myself thinking "were the fuck am I and what am I reading right now" more often than not. Topic changes have nothing to do with it: they'd have to be closed and Jeff'd as soon as conversation goes into a new direction to solve this problem.
I mean, honestly. There is no way to make sure that title of a few hundreds long thread is informative. It can be either obsolete, trolled or updated but you'll never know when clicking. So why give a flying fuck?
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There is no way to make sure that title of a few hundreds long thread is informative.
Well, there would be: Use a forum software which supports threading and which allows every post to have a title.
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Yeah sorry about that, I shouldn't have typed a name at all since I couldn't remember it. Mea culpa.
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It's all good. :) (wish I had a less retarded emoji for this general smile sentiment)
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the trust level ones? to the best of my knowledge, no, they are not
The numbers for earning trust levels are configurable. The things that are granted by the various trust levels are not configurable.
Right; and you're an asshole if you don't check it HOURLY for changes! HOURLY? I mean MINUTELY! CHECK IT NOW!
Apparently. Or maybe just if your username is "blakeyrat".
Do you run Stylish or Stylebot or some other form of implementing custom CSS? Then you can add this styling to get your own in-line visual cue as to who the mods and admins are.
Just a suggestion.
The title should describe the whole thread, and it's a collaborative effort. Not just your post.
Look at from @blakeyrat's POV though: how do you view title edits? By reviewing the edit history of the OP. Sure, it's a shitty design, but it seems to imply that the title is inextricably linked to the OP.
On the other hand, everyone else does seem to have a reasonable point that the title is technically independent from the OP. I mean, the only link between the OP and the title is the edit history. You can't even claim that they are linked by topic creation because (with sufficient permissions) you can jeff a post from one topic to create a new topic, in which case the OP and title are written at different times.
It would be best if the title history weren't linked to the OP, but we're stuck with this shit until @ben_lubar finishes with the migration script.
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Actually the more I think about it, the more I like Community Server's solution of simply letting each user set their own title on their own post, defaulting to the original. That way the title can "evolve" through time as the subject of the thread changes.
But either way. We're stuck with this shitty software, so stop fucking with my shit.
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Actually the more I think about it, the more I like Community Server's solution of simply letting each user set their own title on their own post, defaulting to the original. That way the title can "evolve" through time as the subject of the thread changes.
Yeah, Discourse is a step back from mailing lists.
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Well, there would be: Use a forum software which supports threading and which allows every post to have a title.
E_IDEA_TOO_SANE
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@blakeyrat said:
Actually the more I think about it, the more I like Community Server's solution of simply letting each user set their own title on their own post, defaulting to the original. That way the title can "evolve" through time as the subject of the thread changes.
Yeah, Discourse is a step back from mailing lists.
Though, it's still a pain when you're flipping through the most recently posted list (which uses the post title) eyeing it for responses to a thread you were participating in.
Or the one thing that forum.mikrotik.com does, where if you don't put any post title in, it basically collapses the area for "last thread title updated" on the category main page, so you have no idea what thread just got bumped. And there's at least one user there who CONSTANTLY blanks his post titles. Every. Damn. Time. grr
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And there's at least one user there who CONSTANTLY blanks his post titles. Every. Damn. Time. grr
I think we have a cousin of his here on WTDWTF.
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Scrolling down the list of threads trying to remember which ones you're reading
you're supposes to use the Unread button, and then mute threads you don't care about. I found it's a lot easier to keep up if you start doing it that way.
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I'm not an asshole, I just have trouble figuring out who "we" is when people suddenly drop the word "we" in a post where they haven't once mentioned a group of people they belong to.
If you look, @Yamikuronue's name has a shield next to it now. That's how you can spot it.
Yeah, you wouldn't have a reason to look normally, but you could go back and see it on her posts once you know, or if you suspect.
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He gave the example of me editing in the
marker, but there seems to be a(n informal) community consensus that that isn't abusive.Blakey has repeatedly complained--not just recently--that he doesn't like people changing his titles. Even if you don't like him it's not unreasonable to leave his titles alone.
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That was something I didn't know.
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I also dislike title changes.
Unlike blakey, I can change the title back. But I usually don't bother. I don't have the time to engage in petty edit wars. Nor the inclination to run around, being a spoilsport to what others consider to be fun.
So I just swallow it up and carry on. But I'm also registering my vote here with those who find title changing annoying and would like it curbed a bit.
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Can someone make a plugin for
that adds in front of every topic blakey creates and make it persistent even if the title is edited? 
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I only change Status thread title, or if a title thread has already been Guacamoled to death. Otherwise stay away from rat bites.
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There was someone here who didn't already know not to edit blakey's titles?!
Do not taunt Happy Fun Blakey.
Not unless it stored title edits somewhere separate from post edits, it couldn't.
Why the hell wouldn't it? The two are already governed by separate permissions. Those are two different things as far as Discourse is concerned.
Of course, the less retarded solution would be to simply not let people fuck with other people's posted content, title, post, or whatever, unless they've been approved to do so by something else than a set of easily-gamed criteria, but this is Discourse we're talking about.
Seriously though, I have no idea why title editing is part of TL3's permissions. They're users, not staff. Why would they have this sort of staff-like permissions?
If you look, @Yamikuronue's name has a shield next to it now. That's how you can spot it.
But then you have our custom CSS where admins have all sorts of weird symbols instead of a shield. And either way, fuck me if that shield is discoverable at all.
Why a shield, anyway? It's not a standard icon, and there's no obvious connection between a shield and mod powers. Are they, like, the knight army of these forums?
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It's not a standard icon,
Perhaps you'd have preferred it's predecessor to have remained? ....
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So the mods used to be wizards, and now they're knights...? I... don't know.
It's all retarded anyway. I'd suggest using something like, I don't know, a different username color, or a visible "moderator/administrator" annotation, but as we all know color and information is toxic hellstew.
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I don't know, a different username color, or a visible "moderator/administrator" annotation, but as we all know color and information is toxic hellstew.
Was discussed last night..
https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/local-dischorse-css/47600/160?u=pjh
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Why the hell wouldn't it? The two are already governed by separate permissions. Those are two different things as far as Discourse is concerned.
Of course, the less retarded solution would be to simply not let people fuck with other people's posted content, title, post, or whatever, unless they've been approved to do so by something else than a set of easily-gamed criteria, but this is Discourse we're talking about.
Seriously though, I have no idea why title editing is part of TL3's permissions. They're users, not staff. Why would they have this sort of staff-like permissions?
Because the title doesn't belong to the original poster. It belongs to the thread, and the thread belongs to us.
But then you have our custom CSS where admins have all sorts of weird symbols instead of a shield.
There are only two possible icons: mod or admin. If someone has an icon after their username, they are either a mod or an admin. If they have two icons, they're both. You can pretty safely disregard what the icons actually look like; as far as I know there's no way to get an icon right after your username without being a mod or admin, and you can hover over it to tell which it is.
The closest that you could hack it without being one is putting a unicode character in your long name, but then there'd be extra space between your username and the icon. It wouldn't be right after your username like the mod and admin icons are.
fuck me if that shield is discoverable at all
Really, you don't see a badge or icon after someone's username on some forum and immediately think that it means they have some special rank? I think it's discoverable.
Why a shield, anyway? It's not a standard icon, and there's no obvious connection between a shield and mod powers. Are they, like, the knight army of these forums?
Now you're just being silly. Why not a shield? Is there a standard "mod" icon? A quick GIS suggests that it's split between a ♛, a ★, or a . The latter two (star and shield) are often used as the shape of law enforcement badges.
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Why a shield, anyway? It's not a standard icon, and there's no obvious connection between a shield and mod powers. Are they, like, the knight army of these forums?
The custom CSS is probably a bad idea. Maybe we could add some to cause it to pulse or something.
As for discoverability, I dunno, I saw it on someone months ago and moused over it to see what it was. I guess nobody ever looks at other people's names. You'd think they would with the lengths people go to here to tie their long name to a favored badge.
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Because the title doesn't belong to the original poster. It belongs to the thread, and the thread belongs to us.
What are you, a stinking commie?
I honestly don't see that distinction. It's certainly not something I've encountered on any other forum - the thread names generally stay immutable, save for a [CLOSED] notice from the mod once in a while, or an update from the OP.
Really, you don't see a badge or icon after someone's username on some forum and immediately think that it means they have some special rank? I think it's discoverable.
Here? I'd think they were mucking with their usernames. Oh wait, Discourse doesn't let you put Unicode in your username...
Either way, it's a small symbol next to a username, with nigh-zero semantic meaning, if you grabbed me off the street, put me on a Discourse forum and told me to find a mod I'd have some trouble.
There are only two possible icons: mod or admin.
Except here we apply custom CSS by data-user-id, so potentially any admin or mod can have their own icon of their choosing. @PJH and @boomzilla both have different, nonstandard icons despite being AFAIR in the same mod+admin group.
The closest that you could hack it without being one is putting a unicode character in your long name, but then there'd be extra space between your username and the icon. It wouldn't be right after your username like the mod and admin icons are.
And you're supposed to just know that in this particular place, there can be no icon?
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Seriously though, I have no idea why title editing is part of TL3's permissions. They're users, not staff. Why would they have this sort of staff-like permissions?
I didn't think it was a big deal at first, but now it's irritating as shit.
Why a shield, anyway? It's not a standard icon, and there's no obvious connection between a shield and mod powers. Are they, like, the knight army of these forums?
Hell, I still want to know what the "leader" tag in profile cards means. I was somehow supposed to telepathically know that, too. So far nobody in this thread or over PM has explained that one.
Because the title doesn't belong to the original poster.
I wrote it, it's mine. If you change it, you delete what I wrote. But my name still remains there.
It belongs to the thread, and the thread belongs to us.
That probably should be the case, but that is not what Discourse does.
There are only two possible icons: mod or admin. If someone has an icon after their username, they are either a mod or an admin.
And that's explained... where?
Look, we all get what the icons mean NOW. At least the people reading this thread do. The point is, I was getting yelled at for not knowing a piece of information I had no reasonable way of knowing. Getting yelled at for shit that's not my fault? That sucks.
As for discoverability, I dunno, I saw it on someone months ago and moused over it to see what it was.
I don't mouse over random shit. If there's random shit and it doesn't seem to affect anything, I ignore it. As, I suspect, 95% of other people do.
You'd think they would with the lengths people go to here to tie their long name to a favored badge.
I don't do that stupid shit.
Again: these new mods were never announced. I do not have telepathy. Do not yell at me for not knowing stuff there's no reasonable way I could have known.
And no, for the record, if you've never told it to people it can't possibly be "common knowledge".
Grump.
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While I generally agree that the topic name changing happens too much (whether by thread creators or not), I must admit seeing it happen with the guacamole thread was amusing. It was like a bizarre story was being told over time via the title. I've also noticed a lot of changes on the status thread, but I don't mind that either since usually the title editors have kept the word status or something close enough that you still know which thread it is.
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@mikehurley said:
I've also noticed a lot of changes on the status thread, but I don't mind that either since usually the title editors have kept the word status or something close enough that you still know which thread it is.
They didn't used to. I had to fucking nag thoughtless idiots to start doing that. They were like, "the CSS tag is good enough derp!" and I was all like, "it doesn't show up on mobile at all," and they were all like, "goddamned we're morons and Blakeyrat is a genius".
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I wrote it, it's mine. If you change it, you delete what I wrote.
Except for the "it's mine" part, that's correct.
my name still remains there
Your name is not attached to the title in any way, shape, or form.
Title edits get attributed (incorrectly) to your post, but that's just Discourse
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Fine, however you think it works, just don't edit the titles of my threads without asking me permission first. Ok? Whether the title is part of my post, or something entirely different, the request is the same.
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So are you going to put
in the title or can I?
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Whether the title is part of my post, or something entirely different, the request is the same.
But it's a non-trivial assertion that the request is equally reasonable whether the title is part of your post or not.
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And no, for the record, if you've never told it to people it can't possibly be "common knowledge".
Did I use those words? I did not.
Yami made a comment recently to the effect of "oh look, two minutes on the job and I already have mod duties" in a thread somewhere. I guess you didn't see that. I agree that's not an announcement, and "new mods" is something that should be announced.
Grump.
Everyone already knows you are--and you didn't even have to announce it! Go figure.
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@blakeyrat said:
Grump.
Everyone already knows you are--and you didn't even have to announce it!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/fL5NDOp_Mx4?v=3&start=0&end=133Go figure.
go: unknown subcommand "figure"
Run 'go help' for usage.
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I didn't think it was a big deal at first, but now it's irritating as shit.
Resisting urge to
Don't edit @blackeyrat's topic
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