:fa_bullhorn: The sound of AN ANNOUNCEMENT BEING MADE (or: Request for Comments: Comments)
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If someone invented a car that explodes when you put it into reverse, I wouldn't recommend using it as an example in an argument about how cars are safe.
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If someone invented a car that explodes when you put it into reverse, I wouldn't recommend using it as an example in an argument about how cars are safe.
Stop buying cars from Jeff.
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Look, I'm not a very demanding person in general. I'm not asking for spinning text, or the ability to embed a JS canvas complete with drawing script.
I'm just asking that when I type the characters "50." in the text editor, I see the characters "50." on the screen.
I don't think that's an unreasonable requirement. But then again, I'm not the kind of brain-dead idiot who thinks Markdown is a great idea.
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You'll be pleased to find out that it renders this:
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I'm just asking that when I type the characters "50." in the text editor, I see the characters "50." on the screen.
I don't think that's an unreasonable requirement. But then again, I'm not the kind of brain-dead idiot who thinks Markdown is a great idea.
I don't think Markdown itself is a blocker here, but Jeffco's implementation of it. The only thing the Markdown parser has to do is keep track of the number of the first item in the list, and render it as such. So that this
50. Hi blakey
gets turned into:<ol start="50"><li>Hi blakey</li></ol>
End result:
- Hi blakey
[ot]Jesus Christ on a broomstick, Jeffco's handling of DiscoHTMLBBMarkcode really is insane[/ot]
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And if the next line started with "55." would I see "55." on the screen or "51."? Because your idea is still busted.
The ENTIRE CONCEPT of taking "x number characters followed by period" and automatically converting it to a list is a BROKEN CONCEPT. Because "50." is a perfectly valid English sentence. It's not me making a list (necessarily).
Remember ages ago when we had that discussion about the PHP JSON parsing code which returned "null" for errors, when null is a perfectly valid JSON string? and thus made it impossible to tell whether the parsing failed, or whether it succeeded and the JSON happened to parse to null? Yeah. This is that same type of bug.
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I see commonmark (a Jeffco project!) rendering it correctly. But doesn't use commonmark (yet)...
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Which is strange, because everything else does use CommonMark.
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But doesn't use commonmark (yet)...
Dischorse is always changing to another markdown engine soon.
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And if the next line started with "55." would I see "55." on the screen or "51."? Because your idea is still busted.
Looks like the Markdown parsers simply continue numbering, so you'll get 51. as your second item. You are of course right: it should move from 50 to 55, but I rarely see lists where items are skipped in the same list.The only time so far I've seen people deliberately skip an item in a list, is when they ask someone else to watch their (three) cats... which are then labeled "1", "2" and "4"...
The ENTIRE CONCEPT of taking "x number characters followed by period" and automatically converting it to a list is a BROKEN CONCEPT. Because "50." is a perfectly valid English sentence. It's not me making a list (necessarily).
Yes, correct. The convention is that when a line starts with a number and is followed by an item, you are making an ordered list. If you aren't, you are a minority and you
should be shotescape the number.Remember ages ago when we had that discussion about the PHP JSON parsing code which returned "null" for errors, *when null is a perfectly valid JSON string?* and thus made it impossible to tell whether the parsing failed, or whether it succeeded and the JSON happened to parse to null? Yeah. This is that same type of bug.
That's pretty sucky.
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It's like saying "Welcome to Hell" but you have to put your foot to the floor to accelerate hard enough to get through Hell and into PHP.
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It's like saying "Welcome to Hell" but you have to put your foot to the floor to accelerate hard enough to get through Hell and into PHP.
I've once seen a mixture of PHP and Perl scripts working together. What would that be, then?
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The end times coming?
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I see the thread is derailing nicely...
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You asked for a miracle, Theo. I give you WTDWTF.
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@AlexMedia said:
End result:
Yeeeah, you were saying?
That's JeffCo's fault for assuming nobody makes lists that are bigger than 10 items.
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It requested comments, I made one.
An obvious one, I'm not sure why it wasn't anticipated by Ben L.
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Actually, IIRC, there's a bit of custom CSS added to this setup to stop people posting lists like
- Smeghead
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Because "50." is a perfectly valid English sentence.
No, it isn't. It might be a sentence fragment, but it isn't a complete sentence. A complete sentence would require at least a subject, an action, and an object (though in the simplest complete sentences, the object may be implied). "50" is a noun, and given your claim that this is a valid sentence, it is most likely intended to be the subject of the sentence. So what is the action? What is the object?
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Fuck you, I want cheesy oneliners back.
Can you brie a little more specific, though? Is this gouda 'nough?
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"How many people did you just annoy with your stupid ass comment?"
"50."
I stand by perfectly valid English sentence and I care not for any pedantic dickweedery on the matter.
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Was more about extreme zalgo than lists, IIRC.
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@Maciejasjmj said:
Fuck you, I want cheesy oneliners back.
Can you brie a little more specific, though? Is this gouda 'nough?
Filed Under: Needs more Argentinian Beaver Cheese
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I stand by perfectly
validlazy English sentence and I care not for any pedantic dickweedery on the matter.Just because it is accepted out of laziness and a desire for brevity does not make it "perfectly valid".
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Not enough...
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Stop buying cars from Jeff.
Didn't he have a fetish about not buying bucket seats, trailers and other accoutrements for such things?
And using that as an excuse for not implementing things such as having a reasonably working forum? i.e. I'd like my car to have wipers or 4 wheels on the road?
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Fuck you, I want cheesy oneliners back.
I could do without TheRealNagesh posting about the president's daughter from his system without hard disks using his mommy and daddy's modem.
It would also mean we'd have to go visit The Front Page again...
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The comments are buried at least one click away from the article, so you aren't required to read them.
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The ENTIRE CONCEPT of taking "x number characters followed by period" and automatically converting it to a list is a BROKEN CONCEPT. Because "50." is a perfectly valid English sentence. It's not me making a list (necessarily).
Strictly speaking, "50." is not really a valid English sentence. It is merely a sentence fragment. All the other grammatical constructs necessary to form a valid sentence are, at best, implied: "[There are] 50 [things]." "[The answer is] 50."
@blakeyrat said:taking "x number characters followed by period and a space" and automatically converting it to a list
50. "50."- "50. "
There are, of course, ways of working around it. Should it be necessary to work around it? Maybe not. Should forum software make a numbered list automatically? Maybe not. If there were a WYSIWIG button for it, there would be no need. (Is Discourse's part of core, or is that one of our customizations?) But if the software is to infer one, on what basis? Wait until a second list item has been entered is probably a reasonable criterion; that would eliminate some of the objections. (Not changing the number would eliminate most, if not all, of the rest.) Of course, trying to do that with regex is , the likelihood of it ever working correctly in Discourse is nil.
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I could do without TheRealNagesh posting about the president's daughter from his system without hard disks
I seriously miss those, and I'm waaaay too lazy to make them myself
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It would also mean we'd have to go visit The Front Page again...
No sneak peeks due to Discourse being unable to handle hidden topics either...
To be fair, I like the forum-site integration, but then again I'm a forum dweller.
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Strictly speaking, "50." is not really a valid English sentence. It is merely a sentence fragment.
No, it isn't. It might be a sentence fragment, but it isn't a complete sentence.
Pedantry denied on account of prior work.
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To be fair, I like the forum-site integration, but then again I'm a forum dweller.
Same - I actually read more things on the frontpage when I see the discussion threads pop up in the threads list.I see little added value in undoing the forums integration. In fact, I think we (as a community) could survive just as well if all frontpage articles actually were forum threads.
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I see little added value in undoing the forums integration.
You and me yes, but $random_guy who wants to post a quick one-off comment probably won't bother registering for Discourse. Also, there's the problem of all the integration being... "wonky" is a polite word.
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You and me yes, but $random_guy who wants to post a quick one-off comment probably won't bother registering for Discourse.
And that is a problem, because? Don't we want better quality posts and not a higher quantity?Also, there's the problem of all the integration being... "wonky" is a polite word.
Discourse itself is "wonky" too... hopefully NodeBB is better.
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I see that @abarker ed me by quite a bit while I was typing my response. In return, I will nit-pick his :
A complete sentence would require at least a subject, an action, and an object
Not necessarily. Some verbs are intransitive, that is, they do not take objects. "John swims." is a complete sentence. One can add adverbs or prepositional phrases to elaborate on how, where or when he swims, but these are not objects. Swim can take an object — "John swims the 100m freestyle." — however, such an object is not required for a complete sentence."50" is a noun, and given your claim that this is a valid sentence, it is most likely intended to be the subject of the sentence. So what is the action? What is the object?
"50" might be either the subject or object of the sentence fragment. The action (probably "to be") and the subject or object (whichever one "50" is not) must be inferred from the context.
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I actually read more things on the frontpage
You mean
https://what.thedailywtf.com/
isn't the front page?
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Apparently not...
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I see little added value in undoing the forums integration. In fact, I think we (as a community) could survive just as well if all frontpage articles actually were forum threads.
I think this is a sneaky way of starting the NodeBB migration. Or possibly a pilot program. Assuming we get migrated, I assume we'll be integrated again.
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Assuming we get migrated, I assume we'll be integrated again.
So this whole split-up is an exercise to keep @ben_lubar busy?
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Pedantry denied on account of prior work.
I was unaware of the prior work at the time of submission. Also, my submission improves on the prior work.
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@abarker said:
A complete sentence would require at least a subject, an action, and an object
Not necessarily. Some verbs are intransitive, that is, they do not take objects. "John swims." is a complete sentence. One can add adverbs or prepositional phrases to elaborate on how, where or when he swims, but these are not objects. Swim can take an object — "John swims the 100m freestyle." — however, such an object is not required for a complete sentence.I believe that was (rather vaguely) covered by the parenthesized remark with immediately followed the bit you quoted. Specifically:
(though in the simplest complete sentences, the object may be implied)
As for the remainder of your post:
@abarker said:
"50" is a noun, and given your claim that this is a valid sentence, it is most likely intended to be the subject of the sentence. So what is the action? What is the object?
"50" might be either the subject or object of the sentence fragment. The action (probably "to be") and the subject or object (whichever one "50" is not) must be inferred from the context.While your statements in this case are accurate, it seems you missed two important words in my comments, let me emphasize them for you:
"50" is a noun, and given your claim that this is a valid sentence, it is most likely intended to be the subject of the sentence. So what is the action? What is the object?
In short, it appears that your picking of nits may be a bit overzealous.
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We need some HTML tables in here.
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Overzealous ? Here?
Shirley you must be mistaken?
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Or his brother Robert.