🔥 First they came for the incandescent bulbs...
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It was a relatively brief exchange, but you were the person who responded to my link.
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As I said, I forget stuff all the time. It was probably something that I'd argue nearly identically though; that's the stuff I usually forget. Now, if it was something technical about building crazy complicated compilers or something, I'd probably remember that. Priorities, man, priorities!
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While that's true, given where the geographical mean of the US population is, do you think that generalizes to the country as a whole? I'd guess the answer is closer to "no" than "yes".
Atlanta is certainly one of the hotter cities in the US. Even there, heating is way more expensive than cooling, not just a little bit.
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That just brings us back to what I hinted at in my first post on the subject, which was that I found it hard to believe @Rhywden thinks a reasonable example of heating is Δ1°C in a climate that never gets colder than 18°C.
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Yeah, I don't know what point he thought he was making.
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I took it as, "I live in a city where it never gets colder than 18°C. Envy me!"
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He's German. No way that's true.
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Now, if he said the inverse (“I live in a city where it never gets warmer than 18°C. Envy me!”) I would have considered it possible, if a little unlikely. He'd need to be on a coastal island or something like that; most of Germany gets hotter than that in the summer.
Heck, even in the dismal part of the UK where I live it usually gets warmer than that.
Well, for a few days a year anyway…
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Atlanta is certainly one of the hotter cities in the US. Even there, heating is way more expensive than cooling, not just a little bit.
Ok, so apparently we're in agreement.
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Did you have some kind of point? The northern half or so of US states are roughly equal in latitude to the southern half of Europe, so generally speaking on average Europe should be even colder, and prove @boomzilla's point that heating probably costs more than AC.
That's not how climate works. Europe is warmer than America at the same latitude.
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That just brings us back to what I hinted at in my first post on the subject, which was that I found it hard to believe @Rhywden thinks a reasonable example of heating is Δ1°C in a climate that never gets colder than 18°C.
Well, the mighty boomzilla didn't deign to provide any actual temperature gradients so I made them up as I went along. Perfectly legal - not my fault if he's so stupid as not to provide reference points. That's about par for the course for him - his arguments are always correct and he's omniscient in any regard. He didn't provide references bcause that would have made him look even more stupid.
Even when he's flat out wrong and his grasp of basic thermodynamics is quite dubious. Then usually the "But I'm always right!" argument comes along.
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I made them up as I went along
Is that why you gave different heating and cooling destination temps?
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@anotherusername said:
That just brings us back to what I hinted at in my first post on the subject, which was that I found it hard to believe @Rhywden thinks a reasonable example of heating is Δ1°C in a climate that never gets colder than 18°C.
Well, the mighty boomzilla didn't deign to provide any actual temperature gradients so I made them up as I went along.
Fine. Come up with something that sounds reasonable next time, then.
Anyway, what part of this did you disagree with:
it actually uses less energy to cool a building in the summer in a hot climate than heat it in the winter in a cold climate
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Well, the mighty boomzilla didn't deign to provide any actual temperature gradients so I made them up as I went along. Perfectly legal - not my fault if he's so stupid as not to provide reference points. That's about par for the course for him - his arguments are always correct and he's omniscient in any regard. He didn't provide references bcause that would have made him look even more stupid.
Because you ignored that the context was the US? Or didn't bother to read what I linked? Yeah, that totally sounds like my issue.
Even when he's flat out wrong and his grasp of basic thermodynamics is quite dubious. Then usually the "But I'm always right!" argument comes along.
Yes, keep defending the indefensible! That's what we love about you, dear.
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Hundred-something posts and nobody made a "fuck hue, give me money" joke? I'm disappointed...
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I have to go yell at all the neighborhood kids and tell them to keep their newfangled Internet-Smart-eConnected crap off my front lawn.
Choose the words you yell carefully; Mattel may have them all on file.
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The northern half or so of US states are roughly equal in latitude to the southern half of Europe, so generally speaking on average Europe should be even colder
Ok, you don't know shit about climate.Read up on what the Gulf Stream is.
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Ok, you don't know shit about climate.
It's been twenty years or so since I was in college and cared about shit like the gulf stream. Settle down, alarmist.
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@RobFreundlich said:
I have to go yell at all the neighborhood kids and tell them to keep their newfangled Internet-Smart-eConnected crap off my front lawn.
Choose the words you yell carefully; Mattel may have them all on file.
Crap. Now I have to get a Wifi jammer for my front yard. Friggin' Mattel.
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So if it saves energy, why is there a problem? We don't have "rolling brownouts" up here at 56 degrees north...
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Yes exactly.
But I'm not going to take energy lessons from people inn a country that's about to outlaw cooking with fire.
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Which country is that?
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I never imagined light bulbs with firmware...
My wife bought some cheapo LED lightbulbs that supposedly have multiple colors and probably flash or something that come with a remote control. I doubt there's any firmware involved, but I guess you never know. They just showed up in the mail.
The kids are currently visiting their grandparents. Planning to put the bulbs in the living room and troll the kids with the remote control.
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A cornerstone of Marxism.
You do know that a precondiftion of the classless society envisioned by Marx is the "withering away" of the state, don't you?
And that's a significant part of the idiocy of his ideology.
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I finally bought a couple LED light bulbs (not particularly cheap unfortunately) to see if it's true that the spectrum from all my CFLs is why I have so much trouble sleeping in winter. I was surprised to find that the ~450 lumen LED bulb was brighter than the ~870 lumen CFL it replaced. The color is certainly more natural.
No firmware and no remote controls, thankfully.
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Yes, LED bulbs are superior in nearly every way to CFL. My current theory is that the CFL craze was created by Big Lightbulb for the same reason that the Baron Harkonnen installed the Beast Rabban on Dune, so that we'd all hail our new expensive LED light bulb overlords.
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I have LED grow lamps in my living room. I had to adjust them so they wouldn't be on when I get up in the morning, because I need my retinas.
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LED grow lamps
Hmm, those exist? My Venus Flytraps are not doing well with these persistently overcast and snowy Nebraska winters.
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I'd link you, but in this case they came in a kit with my hydroponic system. But I'd be surprised if you can't find them on their own someplace.
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Do they work? I thought plants needed a full-on spectrum, including infrared and ultraviolet.
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Seem to be, the plants are sprouting well enough. They've got some blue and red ones mixed in, but the white ones are the eye-searing ones.
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the CFL craze was created by Big Lightbulb
After LED bulbs started making inroads I heard that it was Big Lightbulb wanting to force everyone of incandescents because there was no profit margin. You'll note you can get incandescents again but they cost more.
I got a few cheap 60W-equivalent LEDs from Walmart and they're pretty nice: quite a bit brighter than CFLs, and a much whiter light.
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You'll note you can get incandescents again but they cost more.
Like...100W? I haven't noticed that.
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Like...100W? I haven't noticed that.
Well, you can get "rough service" bulbs for about twice the old price, in various wattages. I've only got 1 100W bulb in my apartment and it gets almost no use, so I don't look for them.
Walmart.com's got a 200W A21 for $10, and a 150W for $17 A very quick google suggests A21 is just A19, the standard socket, but for higher-watt bulbs.
Googling "a21 incandescent light bulb" found Sylvania 100Ws for $8 and Satco 150s for $2 from some place called 1000bulbs.com. I know Amazon still sells incandescent in bulk but I'm not going to bother to check price and wattage.
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I got a few cheap 60W-equivalent LEDs from Walmart and they're pretty nice: quite a bit brighter than CFLs, and a much whiter light.
Should run cooler than the CFLs too, which is very nice for some applications.
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you can get incandescents again but they cost more.
You need to start shopping at dollar stores.
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You need to start shopping at dollar stores.
Walmart's a dollar store now? I suppose technically, in that they sell things for a dollar...
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Halogen reflector bulb master race!
(Also, still legal in the EU)
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(Also, still legal in the EU)
The trick is to find somewhere outside the EU with very close trading links. For me, the closest such place is the Isle of Man. It's not just a stinking tax haven.
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The initial ban on incandescent bulbs was only for very high power bulbs (≥200W or something). The industry responded by stopping sale of almost all sizes. Did they ever actually ban lower wattages?
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@Yamikuronue said:
I have LED grow lamps in my living room.
https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/mjplants.jpg
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Yaki is a plantwoman.
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Yami. Sorry.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Yami. Sorry.
But not sorry enough to edit your previous post and fix the error?
But then what Blakey said wouldn't make any sense, and I don't want to break his 100% track record of making complete and total sense all the time.
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Candid photo: