I got banned from Meta.d, and I haven't even posted there in months...
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The reason listed is that I'm not welcome there anymore. I haven't even posted there in months, just lurked, and I thought I was usually one of the more polite ones over there.
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Ragebanned by association.
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https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/how-can-this-be-so-wrong/51117/14?u=kuro
Filed Under: Most of us have been there
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Is that the new "One of us One of us"-post?
Filed Under: I'd accept it
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I take it you've just woken up, or something? Have fun digging through the DiscoGate backlog...
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Most of us were polite over there, but due to the vitriol here it was group banning time apparently.
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I've been recovering from wisdom tooth extraction... just now catching up on the various forums I'm a member of.
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Is it just me, or is banning a large group of people based merely on their association, almost the perfect way to appear like a raging dickwolf?
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I'm not sure what a raging dickwolf is, but it sounds about right.
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Is it just me, or is banning a large group of people based merely on their association, almost the perfect way to appear like a raging dickwolf?
It is.
It is also Jeff we're talking about, so... what was your point again?
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A really bad episode of Law and Order?
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Basically the short of it is (per my understanding) our bugs rarely were important things for the paying customers and we were a huge drag on team morale, thus getting rid of us was done to keep them doing things that could make money.
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I'm not sure what a raging dickwolf is,
Me either. I am however fairly sure I don't want that search in my browser history.
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How long until someone writes a fan fiction of this?
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Discomocracy (n): everyone has the freedom to agree with Jeff Atwood, and bask in the glory of his correctness.
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Basically the short of it is (per my understanding)
Where does this understanding come from?
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Where does this understanding come from?
Because the other option is "Jeff Atwood is a dangerously crazy person", and we like not to exercise the possibility that a crazy person had full access to our backend for over a year.
Filed under: i want to believe, jeff in my backend is a scary idea
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a crazy person had full access to our backend
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From Alex talking about how we were not the target market for Discourse (your thread asking about who was then also included in this).
https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/so-new-forums-software/51137/25Combined with the reactions between the disco devs and many people here (reacting to eachother). Remember that @Sam self banned from here previously due to how he was treated. Employee morale changes their output. In addition much time has been spent on issues that we reported that much of their team said were rare issues or due to how we were trying to break things.
It's possible that my understanding is wrong, but I can't exactly ask them.
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or due to how we were trying to break things
And we broke them successfully a lot of times. And other, not so nice people could figure that out too and, say, plop an XSS into a Cisco forum.
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plop an XSS into a Cisco forum
that much of their team said were rare issues
From my memory they were prompt on the XSS and email leakage ones, but those kinds of things don't generate sales. They cost when discovered, but they don't generate sales.
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They cost when discovered
So do the smaller issues. Not that obviously and immediately, but they pile up and give the perception of your software as a broken mess.
People might not have complained, but do you have stats on how many simply left without bothering? Users generally won't try to actively hunt you down and report bugs to you, they'll vote with their feet.
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Of course I don't have the stats. I was explaining my understanding of why they did what they did (also didn't say it was well handled or anything). Just cause you may think a decision was dumb doesn't mean you can't explain a reasoning for it.
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From Alex talking about how we were not the target market for Discourse (your thread asking about who was then also included in this).
Riiiiight, but Alex doesn't work for Discourse, Inc. so...
It's possible that my understanding is wrong, but I can't exactly ask them.
That's why I'm asking, I thought you might have had access to more reliable information than the rest of us.
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I don't know what all y'all are talking about with this bans thing. My account's fine. Snerk.
I wonder if he banned the asshole over there who used to impersonate me instead.
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It got renamed after it was pointed out to be an impostor, though I don't remember to what so I can't check if it was banned.
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You should download all your 0 posts with that button there.
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Remember that @Sam self banned from here previously due to how he was treated. Employee morale changes their output.
Yes, and working for a raging dickwolf is a major driver of shitty employee morale.For the purposes of discussion, I'm going to define 'raging dickwolf' to refer to an egomaniac who thinks they can do no wrong and that their ideas are the one true path.
In my day job, our developers are faced with an audience of intensely hostile people. Incompetent BA's covering their own asses, sales wankers trying to weasel out of reality, project managers who refuse to project manage and customers who think their failure to plan constitutes an emergency on our part. Under raging dickwolf management, this led to us having like 200% annual turnover.
And then came new management. Management listened to the stresses and concerns of those developers and said "If they shit on you, shit right back. Unless they're right. And then let me know, I'll go get shit on for you." All the same fucking bullshit is still there (in fact, it's measurably worse because all the competent BA's and PM's quit, and the incompetent customers bought all the competent ones) but morale remains high.
I feel sorry for @sam. Because in the reality, we were making him choose between his employer's party line and what he likely knew to be good engineering. We shit all over our employers around here because, well, it's kinda the mission statement. But he didn't have that option.
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Is it just me, or is banning a large group of people based merely on their association, almost the perfect way to appear like a raging dickwolf?
Closer to a racist dickwolf, really.
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Because in the reality, we were making him choose between his employer's party line and what he likely knew to be good engineering.
Bullshit.
I'm sorry. But bullshit.
Sam was definitely a more polite and more communicative developer than Atwood, but he wasn't a better developer. Remember, the incident that brought this all on-- about having Discourse automatically dismiss unread posts-- Sam was perfectly ok with that "solution". He didn't see the problem until it was pointed out to him by a person external to the Discourse team.
I'm sorry but no.
You know what pisses me off most? I work for a company that stores healthcare information. We have process, we have QA, we have a lot of responsibility, and we have a big-ass government agency just waiting in the wings to assign us huge fines if we screw up even a little bit. Our product also deals with end-users. We have UX people, we do usability testing (not very formal, but hey: doing it at all is noteworthy in 2015), we do long user acceptance testing where we frequently tell the client to move slower because we want to be sure they didn't miss anything when double-checking our work. We write manuals and user guides. We write release notes in great detail. It's all by the book.
You know what that's called? Software engineering. The kind adults do. Not basement-dwelling sweaty anime nerds with their open source bullshit, where none of that process exists, and the only reply to a user who dares to talk to you is "fuck off".
And while I'm proud of the work I do, we live in an IT industry that's so fucked up, upside-down and back-to-front, that people like Jeff Atwood and Sam (probably) make more money than anybody working for my company.
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All these UX testers, documentation writers, managers, customer assurance people etc cost money. If your company tried to make something like Discourse, it'd cost millions of dollars. You'd never come close making a profit.
Saying you could have a better process and produce a better product means nothing when no one's willing to pay the price.
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Ok; but I still think Sam's a terrible software developer.
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Sam's a terrible software developer
All of which makes Jeff what?
[spoiler][/spoiler]
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because I rage-deleted my account there, and the big subreddits dont accept submits from new accounts
ragequitting a forum is dumb.
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wasn't there a tdwtf thingy too?
Paging @cartman82 connoisseur of all things reddit related
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I thought he was more into 4chan?
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wasn't there a tdwtf thingy too?
Paging @cartman82 connoisseur of all things reddit related
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedailywtf/new/
Hasn't seen much use since http://servercooties.com/ took the slack.
I thought he was more into 4chan?
Aint got time for that. /r/4chan is all I need.
Filed under: Just got hit with a 500, if you see this, means I was persistent or lucky
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Why? :/
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Reddit is like Facebook: There is no why. You just post things.
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You just post things.
Yes.
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http://omfgdogs.com/omfgdogs.gifPaging @aliceif.
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I don't like dogs. Not at all.
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Fullscreen bright colours, though!
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Ow! The goggles, they do nothing!
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This can cause seizures in certain people :-( bad dogs