Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb I don't disagree, but then again since most areas here are at least "dual use" you also have to take into account other uses (typically tourism, hiking etc. but also farming).
The animal population tends to damage crops. I think farmers would shoot whatever they encounter on their fields if it wasn't illegal to do so. As to what makes it illegal, I think the fields are counted as bait. It's illegal to use food bait for hunting herbivores in Finland, and I assume the same to apply to France.
Also, if hunters were a bit more motivated and spent less time sleeping and chatting, they'd be more efficient. Around my home, a few years back boar hunting parties started early and by 10 am they were done and winding down. Now, when I go out at 10am I see them gathering and chatting, taking their time to position people and they start things at 11am or later. And then they wonder why the boars aren't anywhere in the woods near to their night haunt. Well duh, do you think the boars are warthogs that just kneel and wait for you?
From what you can see, are the hunters the same people as they were 20 years ago? In Finland hunting associations have trouble attracting new young members. So they're all pensioners. And just getting older. You can't expect old people to be all that spry, even for hunting.
Also, do you know if there are any time restrictions set by law? I know shooting ranges that are strictly restricted as to when and how much noise they can make. I would not be surprised if there was a law in France prohibiting any shooting before 10AM.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb I don't disagree, but then again since most areas here are at least "dual use" you also have to take into account other uses (typically tourism, hiking etc. but also farming).
The animal population tends to damage crops. I think farmers would shoot whatever they encounter on their fields if it wasn't illegal to do so.
Sure but that's not the point here. I'm not talking about damages caused by wildlife, but about potential issues with having hunters in the middle of other human activities all year round. Cow or sheep farmers, for example, are probably quite glad that there isn't any hunter likely to roam next to herds with young calves/lambs and causing potential damage to them (not just shooting, but also dogs, and generally speaking spooking animals that aren't very smart to start with, even less when they're tiny).
In Western Europe (i.e. a densely populated/used countryside), it's naive at best to assume you can have any activity that doesn't have to take into account how it interacts with other activities.
From what you can see, are the hunters the same people as they were 20 years ago?
I've seen that change happening in less than 10 years, and it looks to me as if they're the same people, but honestly I don't know well enough to check. I have no idea.
Also, do you know if there are any time restrictions set by law? I know shooting ranges that are strictly restricted as to when and how much noise they can make. I would not be surprised if there was a law in France prohibiting any shooting before 10AM.
There are restrictions, but not that late (it's essentially "daylight" which even in winter means at most 8am or earlier). And I'm not aware that those regulations would have changed in the past 10 years, so I don't think that's the issue here.
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Also, do you know if there are any time restrictions set by law? I know shooting ranges that are strictly restricted as to when and how much noise they can make. I would not be surprised if there was a law in France prohibiting any shooting before 10AM.
There are restrictions, but not that late (it's essentially "daylight" which even in winter means at most 8am or earlier). And I'm not aware that those regulations would have changed in the past 10 years, so I don't think that's the issue here.
If it's worded specifically "daylight", then that might be a reason unto itself. You see, activists both outside and inside the government have taken to rules-lawyering.
When I went to take the shooting test for my hunting license, they had to wait until 11:03 to start the proceedings. The range's environmental license was restricted to 11:00-to-something because of complaints (from summer cottage residents that came to the area after the range had long been in operation). And if they started at exactly 11:00, there would be complaints from some somebody because their watch showed 10:59.
When the restrictions to the opening times of the range were decided on, the government had the noise levels from the range measured. But they had to halt measuring whenever a plane passed overhead (landing path to Helsinki airport goes over the place, I think), because that vastly overwhelms the shooting noise. So it's highly questionable whether the time restrictions actually make any difference to anyone's life whatsoever.
So, if there's a rule about not being able to shoot until "daylight", I expect the meaning of that to have changed from "normal person can read by the light" to "indistinguishable from noon". Now, maybe I'm not being objective. But I've seen plenty of interference to my hobbies from people with nothing better to do with their time, doing the interference seemingly just for their own self-validation.
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb I don't disagree, but then again since most areas here are at least "dual use" you also have to take into account other uses (typically tourism, hiking etc. but also farming). It might be easier to manage the whole countryside if there are times when you can just say "no hunting of any sort happens during this month."
It's here as well. But the other activities also occur most of the year, so the times overlap anyway. So while big organized hunts mostly only take place in the fall, a single hunter might be shooting from a tree stand any time of year if whatever he's shooting at is in season—and provided he's far enough from houses, there are no people around etc.
In any case it's kind of
here because no significant extension of hunting times will ever happen. The public mood is very much against hunting (and TBF there is a regular stream of individual hunters behaving like total morons and giving very good arguments to their opponents!) and I don't think it's likely to change soon.That's a bit different here. Hunting is fairly popular here, so the other restrictions come into play.
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
There are restrictions, but not that late (it's essentially "daylight" which even in winter means at most 8am or earlier). And I'm not aware that those regulations would have changed in the past 10 years, so I don't think that's the issue here.
The colleague I mentioned said he often hunts at daybreak or at night, using a night vision gun sight. That's when the game is out and there are fewest people you'd have to pay attention to. Perfectly legal (you just have to be certain what you are shooting at, if you have night vision scope, you can be at night) and apparently not that rare here.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
There are restrictions, but not that late (it's essentially "daylight" which even in winter means at most 8am or earlier). And I'm not aware that those regulations would have changed in the past 10 years, so I don't think that's the issue here.
The colleague I mentioned said he often hunts at daybreak or at night, using a night vision gun sight. That's when the game is out and there are fewest people you'd have to pay attention to.
In Finland the use of night vision in hunting is restricted to a few species of especially troublesome invasive small carnivores. Even illuminated reticles are restricted, though thankfully not as harshly as they used to.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
So, if there's a rule about not being able to shoot until "daylight", I expect the meaning of that to have changed from "normal person can read by the light" to "indistinguishable from noon".
No, I don't think that's what happening here. First I have no idea whether it's how the restriction is worded (I think the rules actually mention hours, not just "daylight" but
). Second even though hunting has a bad press, it also has a strong lobby defending (which is part of what makes it contentious, because there is a visible push back -- including with some stupid arguments). And third, there are other hunters that hunt earlier, it's just this specific group that gathers in the fields at the back of my home that I've seen starting later, it's not a global trend.A much more likely explanation here is just that they're there mostly for fun (it's their hobby, so nothing wrong there) and it's easy for such a group to just let time fly.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
It's here as well. But the other activities also occur most of the year, so the times overlap anyway.
Not all activities happen all year round. We already have quite a few stories about hikers vs. hunters, and there are relatively few hikers in winter. If hunting was allowed in summer, there would be tons of it. I also mentioned things like livestock, who also have their own seasonality.
I still think in our densely occupied countryside, time splitting (across the year) is a good way to make sharing the space between activities easier, even though it does have drawbacks (such as making it harder to regulate overpopulation).
So while big organized hunts mostly only take place in the fall, a single hunter might be shooting from a tree stand any time of year if whatever he's shooting at is in season—and provided he's far enough from houses, there are no people around etc.
I don't know whether single hunters here do much large game (boar and deer). AFAIK, those are only ever shot by groups here. I know that local hunting associations have quotas of deer/boar that they can kill, and it is possible that those same rules also prohibit single shooters (i.e. outside of an organised hunt). But really I have no idea. All I can say is that the hunting neighbour that I know well only ever hunts big game in groups (and only small game when alone), but I don't know how much that is due to his own habits, pure practicality or official rules.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I've been known for doing dumb shit in cars in my youth. Well, more often back then...
But I wouldn't claim to have had 100% control prior to any of my off road excursions. Except for the ones where I went off road on purpose... But even with purpose, going of road at 70 with street tires makes it all not quite 100% control...
Sooo... I guess she was going though a bend, got scared at the speed and slammed the brakes. And that is a great way to go completely out of control.Had to go to a presentation for my son for driver's ed. The guy made a good point. We tend to think of "good driving" as safe driving but teenagers equate "skillful driving" as good driving. Often the less safe, the better, since your skill pulled you through. It's not really a wrong definition by itself, but it's not the one they should be using.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I've been known for doing dumb shit in cars in my youth. Well, more often back then...
But I wouldn't claim to have had 100% control prior to any of my off road excursions. Except for the ones where I went off road on purpose... But even with purpose, going of road at 70 with street tires makes it all not quite 100% control...
Sooo... I guess she was going though a bend, got scared at the speed and slammed the brakes. And that is a great way to go completely out of control.Had to go to a presentation for my son for driver's ed. The guy made a good point. We tend to think of "good driving" as safe driving but teenagers equate "skillful driving" as good driving. Often the less safe, the better, since your skill pulled you through. It's not really a wrong definition by itself, but it's not the one they should be using.
Teenage males measure success by the size of their epeen, news at 11.
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
All I can say is that the hunting neighbour that I know well only ever hunts big game in groups (and only small game when alone), but I don't know how much that is due to his own habits, pure practicality or official rules.
I can perhaps enlighten you on that front. The permits paperwork takes some work. Not enough to deter a determined hunter, but it's enough that you usually want to be part of a hunting club for that reason too.
But the bigger reasons are safety and handling of the catch. Safety from multiple first-aid capable people is rather self-evident. Transportation on the catch, on the other hand...
In most of Europe, males average 75–100 kg
Males (or "bulls") normally weigh from 380 to 700 kg (838 to 1,543 lb) and females (or "cows") typically weigh 200 to 490 kg (441 to 1,080 lb), depending on racial or clinal as well as individual age or nutritional variations.
It's unethical to not eat what you catch unless it's hunted as a varmint or pest. (Also illegal to leave the carcass of a large animal.) And to prevent the meat from spoiling, you need to field-dress the animal as soon as possible. With a moose or boar that means hanging from a tree, draining the blood, and a lot of cutting.
To handle a moose you need several able-bodied men, and preferably a motor vehicle. But even a boar is best handled with assistance.
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@boomzilla
that starts changing when they see the bill for that small dent or scratch
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
All I can say is that the hunting neighbour that I know well only ever hunts big game in groups (and only small game when alone), but I don't know how much that is due to his own habits, pure practicality or official rules.
I can perhaps enlighten you on that front. The permits paperwork takes some work. Not enough to deter a determined hunter, but it's enough that you usually want to be part of a hunting club for that reason too.
Doesn't apply here I think. AFAIK you must always be part of a hunting association (I think the license it tied to that), and I've never heard that there are different licenses based on the game you hunt (leaving aside special stuff that's only hunted for population control such as wolves).
But the bigger reasons are safety and handling of the catch. Safety from multiple first-aid capable people is rather self-evident. Transportation on the catch, on the other hand...
Yes, thank you Captain Obvious, and that's what I covered with "pure practicality". That's probably enough for boars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose... are not very often seen in France. We do have some red deer (the big ones you think about when thinking "stag") but those ones are pretty uncommon outside of some large forests. The most common type (that you might hit with your car, remember the topic of this thread?) are small, uh, roe deer I guess in English? or maybe slightly larger? but anyway no more than a single person can drag/carry (and butcher), if not very comfortably and not on a long distance (but if you're hunting those in France you're never far from a track!).
So if it was allowed, I'm guessing there would be a few people willing to hunt deer alone (most hunters wouldn't, but a few would). But I've never heard that it was a thing, at all, which makes me wonder if it's not part of the rules.
But again, I've never bothered finding what the exact rules here are, so
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
All I can say is that the hunting neighbour that I know well only ever hunts big game in groups (and only small game when alone), but I don't know how much that is due to his own habits, pure practicality or official rules.
I can perhaps enlighten you on that front. The permits paperwork takes some work. Not enough to deter a determined hunter, but it's enough that you usually want to be part of a hunting club for that reason too.
... I think ... special stuff ...
But the bigger reasons are safety and handling of the catch. Safety from multiple first-aid capable people is rather self-evident. Transportation on the catch, on the other hand...
... thank you Captain ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose... ... big ones ... and butcher ... a few people ... part of the rules ...
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Jacklighting is a kind of driving, where you intentionally hit animals. Y'know what really chaps my ass? Half the trucks in GTAV that have a top light bar just have goddamn reflectors on it.
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla
that starts changing when they see the bill for that small dent or scratchNot if it's not their own car. In some places in the US, if you see a car being driven recklessly, there's a near-100% chance it's stolen. Some of the young thieves even engage in certain characteristic types of reckless driving as a way of attracting attention and admiration from their "friends".
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla
that starts changing when they see the bill for that small dent or scratchNot if it's not their own car. In some places in the US, if you see a car being driven recklessly, there's a near-100% chance it's stolen. Some of the young thieves even engage in certain characteristic types of reckless driving as a way of attracting attention and admiration from their "friends".
Aren't there like a bazillion movies about that exact phenomenon? Something about driving fast while wearing a fur suit?
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I've been known for doing dumb shit in cars in my youth. Well, more often back then...
But I wouldn't claim to have had 100% control prior to any of my off road excursions. Except for the ones where I went off road on purpose... But even with purpose, going of road at 70 with street tires makes it all not quite 100% control...
Sooo... I guess she was going though a bend, got scared at the speed and slammed the brakes. And that is a great way to go completely out of control.Had to go to a presentation for my son for driver's ed. The guy made a good point. We tend to think of "good driving" as safe driving but teenagers equate "skillful driving" as good driving. Often the less safe, the better, since your skill pulled you through. It's not really a wrong definition by itself, but it's not the one they should be using.
This point is hammered in during driving license classes in Sweden. An interesting point from racing motorcycles at speeds of upwards of 250km/h and passing within arm's reach, or even swallowing paint in corners, us that you do not do dangerous or unpredictable shit. Also, speed difference is dangerous. And keep at least some margin to your limits, you'll need it.
Considering that regular traffic is made up of unpredictable idiots, make sure you have some pretty fucking big margins to deal with the stupidity of others.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Considering that regular traffic is made up of unpredictable idiots
Yeah, lots of youtube videos proving that...
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Doesn't apply here I think. AFAIK you must always be part of a hunting association (I think the license it tied to that), and I've never heard that there are different licenses based on the game you hunt (leaving aside special stuff that's only hunted for population control such as wolves).
In Finland there's a per-animal permit for deer and moose. Except roe deer (Capreolus capreolus), of which you only need to report your catch. That where the quotas come from around here.
So if it was allowed, I'm guessing there would be a few people willing to hunt deer alone (most hunters wouldn't, but a few would). But I've never heard that it was a thing, at all, which makes me wonder if it's not part of the rules.
If there are, you wouldn't necessarily know it. Hunting alone happens usually from a stand or a ground blind. So there's absolutely no chance of seeing the hunter until the shot rings out.
Although technically you could just sneak through a forest until you spot a deer, this would need to be done rather quietly. So it has requirements on the terrain. Plus, if there are as many other people around as you imply, then there's a good chance someone will call the cops on people sneaking in a forest with a gun.
But again, I've never bothered finding what the exact rules here are, so
Finnish government publishes a Hunter's Guide, which doubles as the course book for the hunter's license exam. It's an easy read, with descriptions of the species, laws, weapons... basically all the information a hunter might need to start the craft. I'd be surprised if there wasn't something similar in France. Either by the government or by the hunters. You might want to get one if you move in the forests often. They tend to be good reads for anyone even mildly curious.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
So if it was allowed, I'm guessing there would be a few people willing to hunt deer alone (most hunters wouldn't, but a few would). But I've never heard that it was a thing, at all, which makes me wonder if it's not part of the rules.
If there are, you wouldn't necessarily know it. Hunting alone happens usually from a stand or a ground blind. So there's absolutely no chance of seeing the hunter until the shot rings out.
Again, I'm talking about the French countryside, which is absolutely not "wild" in any way. I know where those stands are, they are on the side of tracks. I can tell you where the closest ones to my home are because I see them every day. Heck, there is at least a pair which
hunters can stand in but not shoot since those are less than 100 m from a house (which is the minimum distance at which any kind of shooting is allowed) (also there is at least one which is cringingly badly placed as the most likely shooting line from it, given how woods and fields are, goes straight across a road...). So if there were even occasional hunters using them alone, I would have seen at least one once. But I never have.Besides, I've also talked to a few hunters and while I can't say I ever asked them that question specifically, I've never heard any of them mention anyone doing that.
Anyway, without either us of bothering to look up the actual rules, it's just speculation.
Finnish government publishes a Hunter's Guide,[...] I'd be surprised if there wasn't something similar in France.
Never heard of that, neither by myself or through hunters I know. But yeah, I'd be surprised if no one had written that kind of semi-official handbook. I guess if I cared I might search for it, but I don't.
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
So if there were even occasional hunters using them alone, I would have seen at least one once. But I never have.
Are you sure that these stands are hunting stands? Because the kind of stand used for ambush-type solo hunting is specifically built in such a way that the hunter will not be visible to the animals. And what's hidden from animals is usually very hidden from humans as well.
I'd also expect that type of stand to be built in a place where there are few or no trails. ...But then you wouldn't have see them, so why am I even asking?...
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@acrow I'm so glad you're here to tell me what the countryside near my home looks like, and what people are doing.
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@remi You're welcome.
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@boomzilla where's the elk?
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@acrow I'm so glad you're here to tell me what the countryside near my home looks like, and what people are doing.
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Hey, np, we know you're French.
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@TimeBandit That's just a few miles from where I grew up. I've driven through that junction many times. It's been a while, so I can't figure out from the video which part of the junction that is, and
to pull up Google maps to figure it out.
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Comment on a YT police pursuit video:
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Comment on a YT police pursuit video:
But did he actually turn in the direction indicated by the turn signal?
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I was watching a dashcam compilation from my area and
The red truck on the right was hauling one of those double-decker car trailers. Hit the brakes too hard and I guess the car in the front wasn't secured properly so it kinda continued on its way for a bit longer. Video is here: https://youtu.be/VxQd8ywhewI?t=253 - timestamp 4:13 if it doesn't work through the link.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
A couple of years ago a colleague who was a hunter told me that when there are rape fields around, the boars will spend most of the time hidden there and it's impossible to hunt them because you can't see them well enough to be sure what you are shooting at.
… which leaves the time after the rape is harvested for hunting, but the time in the rape gives them enough room to breed faster than they can be hunted.
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@Gern_Blaanston send it to Facebook HQ.
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Gern_Blaanston send it to Facebook HQ.
They already have warehouses of the stuff.
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Today was "it might be a bit icy". Well, yeah, frozen ground and just above freezing temperature drizzle will result in a fun ice cover everywhere.
Of course I wasn't one of those lunatics who took their bicycle to work (unless you've got spikes on those, that's just asking for a concussion). At the time I left home (nearly doing a somersault down the stairs to the garage) the main streets were cleared, though.
My school's parking lot was a different story. I actually did a full 180° turn at one point (at only walking speed, mind) which was fortuitous because it lined me up perfectly with my parking spot...
... and then I promptly keeled over when stepping out of the car.
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Next time, record yourself on your phone, and use it to show your students that sometimes negligible friction is not a good thing.
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Next time, record yourself on your phone, and use it to show your students that sometimes negligible friction is not a good thing.
Well, I'm neither a cow nor spherical so...
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Well, I'm neither a cow nor spherical so...
looks at avatar
Animal
Furred
Black
White
Cow detected. Certainty: 99%
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looks at @Atazhaia 's avatar
Well, you certainly know your bovines.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Next time, record yourself on your phone, and use it to show your students that sometimes negligible friction is not a good thing.
Well, I'm neither a cow nor spherical
Not with that attitude
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@loopback0 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Next time, record yourself on your phone, and use it to show your students that sometimes negligible friction is not a good thing.
Well, I'm neither a cow nor spherical
Not with that attitude
I'm too spherical. Wait, the fat shaming thread is...
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@loopback0 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Next time, record yourself on your phone, and use it to show your students that sometimes negligible friction is not a good thing.
Well, I'm neither a cow nor spherical
Not with that attitude
I'm too spherical. Wait, the fat shaming thread is...
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Hertz is at it again. This time they're being accused of renting vehicles that had been recalled but not yet repaired. But at least you won't be arrested for stealing them ... probably. (INB4
)Edit: The money quote: "... and of course, if there's a law that says you can't do it, Hertz is going to pop up in the story."
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Hertz is at it again.
Once every second!
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When you have a Tesla, why not use the autopilot?
E.g. for driving at a constant distance behind a police car, without any reaction to its signals, while keeping your eyes closed such that you can enjoy your drugs ecstasy...
Tesla-Fahrer fährt schlafend hinter Polizeiauto her
Die Beamten hätten festgestellt, dass der Mann mit geschlossenen Augen auf dem Fahrersitz saß und die Hände nicht am Lenkrad hatte. Er habe „drogentypische Ausfallerscheinungen“ gezeigt.
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Wild boar - Wikipedia
