Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
first chart says basically 400:1.
That's just for a 9 ton truck, so no trailer attached. With trailer you'd be talking 40 tons or more, and a lot more damage as a consequence. (I can't remember if it goes up as the third or fourth power of the weight, but it's a quite high exponent.)
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Dragoon first chart says basically 400:1. Trucker counter says "9600:1" stat is false, but doesn't give a better number.
At 400:1, I'd say a "fair" price of having car drivers pay 0.25% of the toll price should still be rounded to zero because of the unreasonable overhead.
TFA kind of handwaves and doesn’t provide any significant evidence, but it claims through strong implication that a properly designed road takes no significant damage just from the traffic on it, but rather the damage is normal wear & tear due to time and weather. The closest thing to evidence they provide is anecdata about a DC area parkway that bars tractor trailers and had such a bad pothole problem they had to lower the speed limits “to give drivers time to dodge the potholes”
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@izzion Even properly-set reinforced concrete takes damage from traffic going over it. The amount of damage is extremely weight dependent, as well as also depending on frequency of an axle going over it (so traffic levels and speeds also matter). Other types of surface might take more damage, but have other good properties (lower noise, better grip in rain, cheaper, etc). By the time you get down to the weight of a bicycle, the damage done to concrete is basically completely negligible. On the other hand, bikes most certainly can do damage to a softer surface like a dirt track.
You can bet your life that transport labs worldwide know these effects very well.
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@dkf
I'm not a roadologist, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Just repeating what TFAsaidinsinuated.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@izzion Even properly-set reinforced concrete takes damage from traffic going over it. The amount of damage is extremely weight dependent, as well as also depending on frequency of an axle going over it (so traffic levels and speeds also matter). Other types of surface might take more damage, but have other good properties (lower noise, better grip in rain, cheaper, etc). By the time you get down to the weight of a bicycle, the damage done to concrete is basically completely negligible. On the other hand, bikes most certainly can do damage to a softer surface like a dirt track.
You can bet your life that transport labs worldwide know these effects very well.
I remember looking this all up before from some discussion around here. With asphalt, it's all highly dependent on how thick it is. Something about pressure waves being pushed around, blah blah blah. So, yeah, properly designed definitely was important. Not sure how the damage drops off based on that, though.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Not sure how the damage drops off based on that, though.
There's probably a threshold below which things are able to restore before the next event, but that's gonna be pretty low. 18-wheelers will be a long way above that threshold.
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I know that around here (Colorado) the freeze/thaw cycle is what does the obvious road damage. It is crazy how visible the damage is, especially in the spring.
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@Dragoon There's a street corner near work that has a lot of city buses going round it, and they've done a lot of damage to the asphalt surface. The ripples they've made are approximately two inches deep. It's the only place I've ever really seen it get that bad, but it is a very busy corner. The city replaces the road surface every few years. It doesn't last. I don't know if they have time to let the stuff set properly before readmitting buses; it's very disruptive to a lot of routes when they do the maintenance so maybe not...
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Not sure how the damage drops off based on that, though.
There's probably a threshold below which things are able to restore before the next event, but that's gonna be pretty low. 18-wheelers will be a long way above that threshold.
I remember there being a table showing that you could make the road deal with what they were putting out. It mainly just required a really thick road.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
have toll for trucks and not cars
Germany and Belgium
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
deal with what they were putting out. It mainly just required a really thick
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@izzion said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
said in
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Be careful, though. Spoiled food can make you sick.
It's not nicknamed "Big dining table" (大餐枱) here without a reason.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Dragoon There's a street corner near work that has a lot of city buses going round it, and they've done a lot of damage to the asphalt surface. The ripples they've made are approximately two inches deep. It's the only place I've ever really seen it get that bad, but it is a very busy corner. The city replaces the road surface every few years. It doesn't last. I don't know if they have time to let the stuff set properly before readmitting buses; it's very disruptive to a lot of routes when they do the maintenance so maybe not...
Around here the biggest ripples were usually seen on bus stops. From some point they started paving the busier ones with concrete instead (poured concrete with a cobblestone-like finish probably to reduce effect of water pooling).
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@izzion said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
is just long as fuck for no good reason
YT has a different advertising revenue profile for videos that are longer than 10 minutes, so shorties are to be avoided.
I wonder how it's going for #shorts...
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@izzion said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Filed under: riding the warthog
Wow, you must be really going through a dry spell. I don't think even has been desperate enough to try that out.
Too temperamental. But I hear hyenas might be interesting.
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@cheong said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
You have to pay extra attention from the opposite lanes when driving on the leftmost lane. Not only tires that fell off from large vehicles can fly off and blast at your vehicle, sometimes there would be the unthinkables...
Dude is most certainly dead...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@izzion said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
is just long as fuck for no good reason
YT has a different advertising revenue profile for videos that are longer than 10 minutes, so shorties are to be avoided.
I wonder how it's going for #shorts...
Different revenue profile doesn't mean nothing.
Btw, lots of these shorts in YouTube are either just clips from other videos or repost of some TikTok videos, there aren't much cost on producing them so why not?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Too temperamental. But I hear hyenas might be interesting.
You do realize in case of female hyenas, you can pretty much only have sex with her if she allows you to. Their vaginas have extra protection. You may have better luck having fun with the males.
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@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Too temperamental. But I hear hyenas might be interesting.
You do realize in case of female hyenas, you can pretty much only have sex with her if she allows you to. Their vaginas have extra protection. You may have better luck having fun with the males.
No, I did not realize, I did not want to realize and I would have been happier if it had remained that way.
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@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Too temperamental. But I hear hyenas might be interesting.
You do realize in case of female hyenas, you can pretty much only have sex with her if she allows you to. Their vaginas have extra protection. You may have better luck having fun with the males.
Hence the interesting part!
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A friend of mine snapped this:
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Yesterday while
drivinghardly moving on the famous, continues traffic jam that is labeled R0, because all good things start counting at 0, or the Brussels ring way I had literally a front row seat to some first class road rage as guy in the Dutch van in front of me got out, got out some massive wrench from out of his van and ran to the front to presumably have a disagreement with someone in front of him.
I contemplated honking to get him to move his sorry ass but decided against it for some reason.
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@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Too temperamental. But I hear hyenas might be interesting.
You do realize in case of female hyenas, you can pretty much only have sex with her if she allows you to. Their vaginas have extra protection. You may have better luck having fun with the males.
Don't even ask about ducks.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Too temperamental. But I hear hyenas might be interesting.
You do realize in case of female hyenas, you can pretty much only have sex with her if she allows you to. Their vaginas have extra protection. You may have better luck having fun with the males.
Hence the interesting part!
Ever heard of a guard hair?
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
it goes up as the third or fourth power of the weight, but it's a quite high exponent
Wdym, it's only 3 or 4
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@dcon Only if it's amber. I don't see any amber bulbs.
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:color_blind: They are all the same color.
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Oh, I gotta get me some of that.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Oh, I gotta get me some of that.
I've still got some in the living room cabinet, but the bottle isn't nearly as full as it was. Will need to make a supply run soon.
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@GOG said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Oh, I gotta get me some of that.
I've still got some in the living room cabinet, but the bottle isn't nearly as full as it was. Will need to make a supply run soon.
When you go, grab me a passenger pigeon.
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@boomzilla starting with “driving through Manhattan” in the first place.
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla starting with “
driving throughbeing anywhere near Manhattan” in the first place.
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@boomzilla Can someone tell me what I'm looking at here?
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@stillwater Screen of a personal computing device.
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@stillwater said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla Can someone tell me what I'm looking at here?
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@stillwater Screen of a personal computing device.
though no points for style. The pipe guy still did it better.
As for what can be seen here:
@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
That looks to be a pickup truck where the owner tried to install a trailer ball hitch on his bumper, then towed a trailer and only then realized that it can take so much force that it will easily tear out the flimsy metal of the bumper.
Doing it the proper way means you need to get a whole bunch of sturdy metal pieces mounted under the truck so that it tugs on the whole frame: