Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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Tesla again improving road safety with this new feature:
tl;dr: Video games on the dashboard screen. Play solitaire and other classics while driving!
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Carmaggedon?
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@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Tesla again improving road safety with this new feature:
tl;dr: Video games on the dashboard screen. Play solitaire and other classics while driving!
That's just to make sure your heart rate stays low while driving into firetrucks. (What you don't see you can't react to!)
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@dcon And when you happen to step onto mine in minesweeper while the car crashes,... - well, that's a wonderful coincidence (or is it causation?)
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I know I saw this somewhere else; I hope it wasn't here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouTftzrRfj8
TL;DW: Guy got caught with a (male) blow-up doll dressed in a business suit in the passenger seat of his car. Assumption is he's using it to fake a passenger for using the HOV lane. (It's not clear to me whether he was caught in the carpool lane, or just observed elsewhere and the purpose was assumed.) Eh, nothing new about that.
However, this guy is a manager in the transit agency responsible for managing the HOV lanes. Rules for thee but not for me?
Of course, he denies he's trying to cheat the HOV lane requirements. He even passes up the obvious (and somewhat plausible, in his case, since he works for the transit agency) "I was testing your enforcement" excuse. No, he has it for "companionship". Since it's sitting up, fully dressed, in his car, presumably he doesn't mean that sort of companionship, at least not while he's driving down the highway. Apparently, (he claims) he has conversations with it while he's driving. Ok, sure buddy.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
However, this guy is a manager in the transit agency responsible for managing the HOV lanes.
What a shame.
I mean, this guy is a manager, and he can't even afford a chauffeur?
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Today in idiot drivers: Schenker truck with trailer being fully up in my ass on a 50 road. Then when the road went 70 he did an illegal overtaking of me (driving 70) in a curve on a stretch where overtaking is forbidden. Then a long slope,so he was forced to slow down so when the road became a 100 road he could barely manage 80 and I managed to catch up with him and got stuck behind him for a couple km. So, the overtaking saved him no time and wasted my time. Good job, retard.
And also found a as-good-as double parked BMW in the garage. What is it with Audi and BMW drivers unable to park correctly? Anyone owning one of those cars should just be preempetively auto-fined every month because none of them can handle a car correctly...
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@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
What is it with Audi and BMW drivers unable to park correctly?
It's a premium feature of the park assist
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
What is it with Audi and BMW drivers unable to park correctly?
It's a premium subscription feature of the park assist
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@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And also found a as-good-as double parked BMW in the garage.
The only proper response to this is to
stealborrow a bunch of shopping carts from the nearest supermarket, and a chain and a padlock. Ring the BMW in with carts, run the chain through the carts, and padlock the chain.
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369847821002564
tl;dr: Handovers from Level3-systems (i.e. an automated car driving independently hits a boundary condition and has to hand control back to the driver) suffer from a massive gap between the beginning of the handover to actual full and conscious control by the driver.
This gap ranges from 10 seconds up to nearly half a minute during which the driver is not fully aware / fully in control of driving conditions and surroundings.
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Pikachu had to look up from his distracting video to comment.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
tl;dr: Handovers from Level3-systems (i.e. an automated car driving independently hits a boundary condition and has to hand control back to the driver) suffer from a massive gap between the beginning of the handover to actual full and conscious control by the driver.
You mean that having to babysit a system that's automated-except-when-it-suddenly-isn't in a time-critical and hazardous environment is an issue? I can't believe it. If that were true, someone would have pointed it out by now, and they wouldn't let companies sell it.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
This gap ranges from 10 seconds up to nearly half a minute during which the driver is not fully aware / fully in control of driving conditions and surroundings.
Even professional pilots suffer from lack of situational awareness during transition from automatic control, and they're being paid to maintain awareness even when they're not manually flying.
Most of the flight in a modern airliner is under automatic control; the pilots input the route and altitude given by ATC into the flight director (computer), and update it when ATC gives them different instructions, but the flight director is actually controlling the direction and altitude. Some of them will even land automatically under suitable conditions (properly equipped airport, adequate weather). Some airlines actually forbid their pilots from flying the planes manually (except in emergencies); others dictate that pilots should take over at a certain altitude AGL during landing. I know of one pilot who thinks that altitude is too low; because he hasn't touched the controls for hours, he doesn't have a feel for how heavy the plane is, how fast it's moving, how quickly it's responding to control inputs, how much input it needs to respond by a certain amount. He's a professional pilot with thousands of hours of experience in the type of aircraft he's flying, so it only takes a few seconds to get his head and muscle memory in the game, but that's a few seconds elapsed during the most critical phase of flight; he'd prefer to start flying manually a minute or two earlier.
And it's even worse during an emergency, when you weren't expecting to have to take over, there's something wrong with the plane, you don't know yet what's wrong, and you're trying to figure that out while controlling the plane.
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@HardwareGeek And it's for that reason that my opinion remains that you should never, now or in the future, sell to consumers a vehicle which contains both an autopilot and manual controls. Whatever the name or description of both of those.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And it's even worse during an emergency, when you weren't expecting to have to take over, there's something wrong with the plane, you don't know yet what's wrong, and you're trying to figure that out while controlling the plane.
And there you have the benefit that while the plane is moving much faster than a car, there is a lot of empty space around it (except for short periods of time during take-off and landing the pilots can prepare for) so you can afford a couple of seconds to take over the controls. You can't in a car where the automation gave up because it is about to crash.
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
What is it with Audi and BMW drivers unable to park correctly?
It's a premium subscription feature of the park assist
You're confusing Audi/BMW with Tesla.
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I found the cousin of the canopener bridge.
Milwaukee roundabout.
https://www.youtube.com/c/MilwaukeeRoundabout/videos
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And it's even worse during an emergency, when you weren't expecting to have to take over, there's something wrong with the plane, you don't know yet what's wrong, and you're trying to figure that out while controlling the plane.
And there you have the benefit that while the plane is moving much faster than a car, there is a lot of empty space around it (except for short periods of time during take-off and landing the pilots can prepare for) so you can afford a couple of seconds to take over the controls. You can't in a car where the automation gave up because it is about to crash.
Plus, you have checklists for plenty of the things that can go wrong. And a copilot who can deal with flying the plane while you go through said checklist.
I mean, if the problem of the plane is of such a nature that reacting one second sooner makes a huge difference then chances are that you're SOL anyway.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And it's even worse during an emergency, when you weren't expecting to have to take over, there's something wrong with the plane, you don't know yet what's wrong, and you're trying to figure that out while controlling the plane.
And there you have the benefit that while the plane is moving much faster than a car, there is a lot of empty space around it (except for short periods of time during take-off and landing the pilots can prepare for) so you can afford a couple of seconds to take over the controls. You can't in a car where the automation gave up because it is about to crash.
Plus, you have checklists for plenty of the things that can go wrong. And a copilot who can deal with flying the plane while you go through said checklist.
Usually it's the captain who takes the controls and the first officer who goes to pull out the checklists.
I mean, if the problem of the plane is of such a nature that reacting one second sooner makes a huge difference then chances are that you're SOL anyway.
There is only one thing that requires quick reaction – unusual attitude recovery. But for that the pilot needs to consider only very little information – basically just the attitude. For everything else reacting correctly is more important than reacting quickly, so both pilots usually confirm what they intend to do before doing it.
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@Carnage This one's good also:
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@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage This one's good also:
These confounding roundabouts! How should one drive in them?!
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
These confounding roundabouts! How should one don in them?!
People are evidently not expecting that curve...
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@lolwhat doesn't look that bad, although there don't seem to be any signs warning there's even a junction there either
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I found the cousin of the canopener bridge.
Milwaukee roundabout.Has that not been publicized here before? It's pretty popular in YT stupid driver videos.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I found the cousin of the canopener bridge.
Milwaukee roundabout.Has that not been publicized here before? It's pretty popular in YT stupid driver videos.
Yeah, probably.
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@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
These confounding roundabouts! How should one don in them?!
People are evidently not expecting that curve...
Yeah, seems like it. Probably a bit over the speed limit.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
These confounding roundabouts! How should one don in them?!
People are evidently not expecting that curve...
Yeah, seems like it. Probably a bit over the speed limit.
Heey, there is both a sign warning for a roundabout, and a sign warning for the curve. Speed limit seems to be 30 mph as well, so people plowing into the curb and/or roundabout are just
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Heey, there is both a sign warning for a roundabout, and a sign warning for the curve.
Is there a sign for the roundabout? I've noticed a sign for the curve and a sign for the pedestrian crossing with the dividing island in the middle, but nothing that positively indicates it as a roundabout—since in drive-on-right countries roundabouts have unusual right-of-way, I'd expect there to be something explicitly identifying it as a roundabout.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Speed limit seems to be 30 mph as well, so people plowing into the curb and/or roundabout are just
Indeed. The drivers crashing here are waaaay over speed limit. And it's all normal residential streets and the bridge isn't even that long and has another junction on the other end.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Heey, there is both a sign warning for a roundabout, and a sign warning for the curve.
Is there a sign for the roundabout? I've noticed a sign for the curve and a sign for the pedestrian crossing with the dividing island in the middle, but nothing that positively indicates it as a roundabout—since in drive-on-right countries roundabouts have unusual right-of-way, I'd expect there to be something explicitly identifying it as a roundabout.
It's a bit far ahead of the roundabout, but it's there.
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@Carnage Ok, I didn't look that far back. I would still expect that to be repeated at the entry to the roundabout, because that's more like advance warning there will be a roundabout. But it's another thing that should tell the moron drivers no to floor it.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage Ok, I didn't look that far back. I would still expect that to be repeated at the entry to the roundabout, because that's more like advance warning there will be a roundabout. But it's another thing that should tell the moron drivers no to floor it.
Yeah, I agree that it's a bit far ahead, but people plowing into the roundabout with screeching tires really did have a fair warning at least.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage Ok, I didn't look that far back. I would still expect that to be repeated at the entry to the roundabout, because that's more like advance warning there will be a roundabout. But it's another thing that should tell the moron drivers no to floor it.
Yeah, I agree that it's a bit far ahead, but people plowing into the roundabout with screeching tires really did have a fair warning at least.
Back at the point of warning their Autopilot was on and they were
making babiesself-loving with their spare time. It’s not their fault the Autopilot kicked off so late
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@Luhmann Belgian drivers are the worst
Also what in the world is this in the top left corner? It's not a link so there's no additional info.
The whole country isn't 37km long!
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@blek
the country is even shrinking!
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The whole country isn't 37km long!
The traffic jam doesn't have to be a straight line.
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@Luhmann don't do "crazy manoeuvres" if you're shit at driving.
Also, the driver looks like a douche bag.
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann don't do "crazy manoeuvres" if you're shit at driving.
Also, the driver looks like a douche bag.The maneuver wasn't as much crazy as it was utterly retarded.
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The whole country isn't 37km long!
The traffic jam doesn't have to be a straight line.
A fractal traffic jam. Just what we needed.
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@Rhywden
Rather fitting for if you ask me
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@dcon somewhere — maybe here, maybe , maybe
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon somewhere — maybe here, maybe , maybe
Must be a thread I don't follow...
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@dcon I just realized I hadn't caught up with the relevant thread, and it turns out it's in there twice
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I tried to find a pertinent clip from In Bruges, but I came up empty, sadly.
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Only the idiot driver took the wrong exit ... should have taken one exit earlier to go to the movies ...