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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
But, you explicitly said you didn't...
Where? Quote me please.
@levicki said in WTF Bites:
EDIT: It turns out that whatever is in slot M2_2 has priority over the slot M2_1, very logical from the slot numbering perspective -- thanks ASUS!
If you have to discover something (ie "it turns out") you obviously haven't read anything resembling a manual, which would tell you such things.
Just like if I were to say "turns out you need to put RAM in A1 and B1 slots, not A1 and A2 slots!", which clearly indicates I have not read the manual, as that's on page 3 very clearly labeled and documented.
Edit: fine, I'll accept pedantry that you didn't literally wrote that you didn't read the manual. But we can't all read minds like you, so...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
I take dead horses places you'd rather not know about
The glue factory?
The butcher shop?
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@Mason_Wheeler said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
I take dead horses places you'd rather not know about
The glue factory?
The butcher shop?
Those are just fronts and holding companies for the real operation!
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@Tsaukpaetra Why is the horse getting an operation? Wouldn't that be more effective before it died?
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@Mason_Wheeler said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra Why is the horse getting an operation? Wouldn't that be more effective before it died?
You'd be surprised what changes just because you're legally read...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
You'd be surprised what changes just because you're legally read...
You're speaking about software license now?
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i buttume the others are as well, they might just be assholes piling on
¿Por qué no los dos?
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or at least i buttume the others are as well, they might just be assholes piling on because you give good reaction
I'm just here to read interesting stuff and post cheap jokes, and I'm all out of interesting stuff.
Filed under: My apologies to John Carpenter
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
i buttume the others are as well, they might just be assholes piling on
¿Por qué no los dos?
uhhh....... nyet?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
@Mason_Wheeler said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra Why is the horse getting an operation? Wouldn't that be more effective before it died?
You'd be surprised what changes just because you're legally
rdead...
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
i buttume the others are as well, they might just be assholes piling on
¿Por qué no los dos?
uhhh....... nyet?
Perhaps the picture will help.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
I try not to judge people.
Apart from Instagram sluts, but they're not people in your kind are they?
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
When your computer is turned off and you are installing or replacing parts, last thing you want is to have to guess whether the slot/port/whatever labels match with real part order.
That's why manuals exist. (Unless they're wrong. Then it really sucks.)
If you are already doing renumbering, you implement it properly
...and have all the same problems with accidentally wiping the wrong disk that you mentioned? It's funny how you're suddenly okay with it all if the chosen numbering soothes your OCD.
So now it is somehow my fault that I tried putting a drive I wanted to be the first in the first slot, labeled IN THE FUCKING MANUAL, WHICH YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF NOT READING, AND ON THE FUCKING MAINBOARD AS #1?!?
And yet...
@levicki said in WTF Bites:
I read it, and it didn't say anything about drive order
So, which is it? Was the manual wrong, or was it just missing the info entirely? Both are real problems, but only one of them justifies that...
I assumed a standard behavior which I observed so many times in the past (i.e. that first slot is the drive 0).
Oh, and this line:
@levicki said in WTF Bites:
My responses are fine as long as others don't call me retarded or imply I didn't RTFM.
is just a blatant lie. Your very first reply to me started and ended with an insult towards me. And it also insulted the authors of some code that you didn't even see so you have no way of knowing whether it actually is bad or not. It really irks me when people insult other people when it's physically impossible for them to know the thing they're alleging.
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And it also insulted the authors of some code that you didn't even see so you have no way of knowing whether it actually is bad or not.
All other people's code is bad unless proven otherwise. Additionally, all other people's code that I don't understand is bad. This cannot be proven otherwise even if I later acquire understanding.
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Fucking millennials, crying in the bathroom for free!
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
I try not to judge people.
Apart from Instagram sluts, but they're not people in your kind are they?
Toby faire, he wasn't judging them for being sluts but for doing it on instagram.
And
: trying doesn't mean succeeding.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
...and have all the same problems with accidentally wiping the wrong disk that you mentioned?
How would I have the same problem if it was implemented properly (which it wasn't), and if I took extra care to insert the disk I intended to be disk 0 into the first slot (which is exactly what I did)?
YOU wouldn't. But someone else could. But it doesn't matter because YOU are the most important person in the universe and everything should be done in exactly the way YOU like it and fuck those other people who've made exactly the same kind of baseless assumptions as you except they sticked with a different order.
It's funny how you're suddenly okay with it all if the chosen numbering soothes your OCD.
The chosen numbering is the correct and logical numbering which has been in use over past few decades ever since we abandoned IDE cables and master/slave jumpers. But sure, keep ignoring facts to blame me instead of those who fucked up.
The only person who fucked up was the one who made the baseless assumption. And also the one who didn't put relevant info in the manual. So that's two people who fucked up.
So, which is it? Was the manual wrong, or was it just missing the info entirely? Both are real problems, but only one of them justifies that...
Mannual only said that M2_1 slot is special because it can handle both SATA and PCIe M.2 devices while M2_2 can handle only PCIe. So in one way it did not provide exact info about disk order, but in another it also implied that M2_1 might have higher priority (as it should).
No, it really didn't. You made this up.
is just a blatant lie. Your very first reply to me started and ended with an insult towards me.
Let's quote what I said just to be sure I understand what you are aiming at:
@levicki said in WTF Bites:
it's @Gąska's signature disagreeing with me without merit
TIL that saying someone is disagreeing with me without merit when they actually do that is an insult.
Except there was merit. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there, to paraphrase one raging asshole. And saying it's typical of me absolutely is an insult. Eve if it was true (which it's not) it would still be an insult. Just like saying you're an asshole is an insult even though it's completely true.
@levicki said in WTF Bites:
TL;DR -- there are valid reasons for device order to be deterministic and to match physical labels. That you don't know of any such reasons and yet decide to defend bad firmware code is so typical of you.
TIL that saying someone doesn't know something which they did not demonstrate they do in their post is also an insult.
Yes, it is an insult. You said that to express your low opinion of me, didn't you? So it's an insult. Even if it was true (which it's not), it'd still be an insult. Especially coupled with "so typical of you".
The worst thing about you isn't your insults. It's that you insult people and then deny you did.
And it also insulted the authors of some code that you didn't even see so you have no way of knowing whether it actually is bad or not.
ASUS BIOS on this mainboard has bugs which can be observed without seeing the code, such as the one I mentioned with not detecting and saving changes in boot order.
Guilt by association. How many firmware programmers do you think ASUS employs? Just one?
It really irks me when people insult other people when it's physically impossible for them to know the thing they're alleging.
And it really irks me when people claim that it is impossible to infer code quality from observed behavior.
In many cases it is. Sometimes it really is easy (WU really shouldn't have exponential complexity relative to the number of all updates ever released). But sometimes the seemingly stupid behavior of one part of the system is due to another component being special snowflake that requires this behavior. That other component may be 1st party or 3rd party, and being 1st party doesn't always mean it could be changed as easily as the "stupid" part of firmware.
You don't know what happened at ASUS. You don't know who's to blame. You don't even know whether the person to blame is within ASUS, or if they're within one of their vendors or even a completely unrelated company whose products are popular and therefore absolutely must be supported.
Yes, the result is stupid behavior of ASUS product. And ASUS as a company is ultimately responsible for a stupid product. But to say anything about the quality of code behind it based on just this one information - it's just arrogance.
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I love it when two people who regularly act like dicks are acting like dicks to each other. It does make it difficult to decide who to root for though
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
i buttume the others are as well, they might just be assholes piling on
¿Por qué no los dos?
uhhh....... nyet?
Perhaps the picture will help.
oh! on that case...... JA! JA MEIN FURER!
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I love it when two people who regularly act like dicks are acting like dicks to each other. It does make it difficult to decide who to root for though
There
isEXISTS a thread for that.
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I love it when two people who regularly act like dicks are acting like dicks to each other. It does make it difficult to decide who to root for though
There
isEXISTS a thread for that.sure, probably several by now.
but when one party assumes bad faith on the part of the other and the other reacts sensibly to defend themselves.. ... Is it any surprise that the behavior "leaks"?
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It does make it difficult to decide who to root for though
Nah. Neither of them. It's not even entertaining.
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@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
It's not even entertaining.
I must not be the only one scrolling past all the
bullshitwall of text these two put out while arguing
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It does make it difficult to decide who to root for though
And since I don't know what the correct behavior in that situation is, I can neither correct the one who is wrong, nor educate myself from the conflicting information. Therefore, I just skip over both their posts.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF Bites:
@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
It's not even entertaining.
I must not be the only one scrolling past all the
bullshitwall of text these two put out while arguingI am now, and that's why.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
I wish I could.
You could. You could skip over @Gąska's walls of text and not reply to them. And the rest of us wouldn't have anything to skip over. We could all then discuss WTFs other than the two of you.
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From a function handling user login.
... Password = Trim(tbPassword.Text) Password = Regex.Replace(Password, "[^A-Za-z0-9$]", "") ...An equivalent does not exist in the function handling password changes.
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@loopback0 it silently changes the password?!
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@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
An equivalent does not exist in the function handling password changes.
I'm OK if my password is
Pa$$w0rdit seems…
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@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
An equivalent does not exist in the function handling password changes.
I'm OK if my password is
Pa$$w0rdit seems…It will look like a$$ though.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
YOU wouldn't. But someone else could.
The same person who said that I could make a mistake only if I am retarded, and that it's my fault I didn't RTFM, now suddenly pretends to care about other people who might face the same problem.
Amazing. Despite repeated corrections you still conflate the problem of relabeling with the problem of hardware/software mismatch. Is it possible I was actually right in calling you retarded? Is it illiteracy or your cognitive difficulties that make it impossible for you to get it?
Not only you are a hypocrite for saying that what I posted isn't an issue unless it happens to someone else
Just for the record: even if you were the only person in the entire universe that ever got their data lost due to not noticing relabeling, I'd still say it's a perfectly valid issue and you'd be right to be annoyed. It really isn't about you. It's just about some random dude, about the identity of whom I couldn't care less, conflating two unrelated problems into one.
but you are also trying to paint me as egotistic in the same paragraph.
If the relabeling is a problem when the order is different from what you like, but it's not a problem at all when the order is what you like, then it's a book example egoism. It doesn't matter that people can lose data, all that matters is that my OCD is satisfied!
<sarcasm>What you said to me now is not an insult because it's you who is saying it so it's OK, and according to you I always started first.</sarcasm>
Good that you marked this completely wrong thing with appropriate tags. It's a shame you failed to do the same for the rest of your post.
On top of that, you keep ignoring the fact that drive enumeration order matched port numbers for at least the past two decades.
The only person who fucked up was the one who made the baseless assumption.
So in other words:
- You for assuming:
- that I didn't RTFM
No, I didn't. Your assumption is just as baseless whether you did read the manual or not. The only situation where you can in good conscience make any assumptions is when the manual literally says "such and such disk is presented as Disk 0 in such and such conditions". And you already said the manual didn't. Ergo - you pulled the assumption out of your ass. No, every other manufacturer pulling their their designs from the same ass doesn't justify it.
- that wrong drive order is normal
I never said any such thing. It's you who assume there's any norm at all. All I'm saying is - if the specification doesn't say it, don't assume anything.
- that it doesn't affect anything
Because it doesn't. There could be no printed labels on hardware at all and it all would work just the same (unlike e.g. fan connectors where it absolutely does fucking matter what is connected where). They could be mounted on a series of rotary plates that change order seemingly at random so it's impossible to tell which is first and which is last and what order the slots in between are, and it still would work just the same. All that matters is that for a specific configuration, the assigned ID should be the same every boot.
There's also this thing of a drive changing its assigned ID after connecting another disk but you already said you're okay with that.
- ASUS firmware engineer for assuming:
- that nobody will ever need deterministic drive enumeration which matches what every other product did so far
- ASUS documentation writer for assuming:
- that nobody will ever need to know in what order are drives enumerated when said order isn't standard
But it's true. You don't need it. You just want to put your OCD at rest, and that's it. Disk's identity can be determined by hardware IDs or partition table IDs (neither is foolproof, but both are much better than relying on Disk 0 always being the same Disk 0).
Except there was merit.
As much merit as there is in this post of yours, which is: NONE WHATSOEVER.
I'd be more willing to believe in your assessment if you haven't utterly failed at reading comprehension.
Yes, it is an insult. You said that to express your low opinion of me, didn't you?
Have you really sank so low that you have to ask loaded questions, and hope I will take the bait?
Are you trying to insult me? Or are you once again making derogatory statements that aren't insults at all? No, I don't hope you take the bait. I hope you take a dictionary and look up what the word "insult" means. You would notice a distinct lack of "false", "wrong", "lie" or any other word that would suggest it's not an insult if it's all true.
It's one of those things that has literally zero consequences for anything ever.
You used that to try to dismiss my whole complaint as invalid.
Not whole. Only the half that really didn't have any consequences for anything ever. I even predicted you'd certainly take issue with what I said and put an edit that specifically said the other half is a valid complaint! (Which is funny because you're actually fine with renumbering, which can actually cause data loss, as long as it's done the way you like.)
Especially coupled with "so typical of you".
It's not the first time you are doing this, hence the remark.
You repeatedly thinking I said one thing while every time I'm actually saying something else is not a pattern in MY behavior.
@Gąska said in WTF Bites:
But you know what is much worse than both insulting and denying you did it? It's what you do -- insult people and then say that they deserved it.You think assholes don't deserve being called assholes?
Guilt by association.
Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. -- John Stuart Mill
Oh, so you actually support collective responsibility? And you say I'm a bad guy.
How many firmware programmers do you think ASUS employs? Just one?
Obviously not enough good ones. Next question.
Here it comes: did it hurt to miss the point so fucking hard?
But sometimes the seemingly stupid behavior of one part of the system is due to another component being special snowflake that requires this behavior.
In which case that should be clearly documented.
No it shouldn't. No spec requires a particular order of enumeration relative to physical labels. Nobody has any obligation to document this particular implementation detail. Nobody should rely on any particular ordering. It's really not rocket science. Just don't pull info out of your ass and you'll be fine.
Edit: although I agree the internal documentation should explain the retarded behavior. And there's a decent chance it actually does.
But to say anything about the quality of code behind it based on just this one information - it's just arrogance.
Except what I said was not based just on "this one information" as I clearly demonstrated with three other BIOS issues, two with boot order, and one with ACPI, none of which was ever fixed, so ask yourself who is the arrogant one here.
Obviously the person who found 3 specific issues that might be like 8 lines of code in total, and assumes these 8 lines are representative of the quality of the entire codebase.
If you complained about QA, then you'd be right. It's obvious ASUS's QA is shit if issues like this passed verification. But your insistence on connecting it to overall code quality makes me think of some people's insistence that astrology works.
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@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
An equivalent does not exist in the function handling password changes.
I'm OK if my password is
Pa$$w0rdit seems…It will look like a$$ though.
just like a certain pair of users who post long ranting walls of text at each other, when really they should just get a room and fuck each others brains out then kiss and make up?
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@Vixen I am not entirely convinced I would watch that.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
There is not suppose to have SRAT BIOS.
"SRAT" is the word for "shit" in some eastern european languages, isn't it? So, that's appropriate - no shitty BIOS!
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@BernieTheBernie I always chuckle when I see the acronym SRAM - in Polish this word literally means "I'm taking shit right now". And it's all caps, as if shouting.
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The WYSIWYG reddit text editor (officially known as the "Fancy Pants editor") doesn't let you type in
@word. It automatically changes it to/u/word. Great feature if you're quoting a tweet.
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@Vixen I am not entirely convinced I would watch that.
i'm not sure i would either, but that's okay. we don't need to watch it to stream it online for cash.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF Bites:
stream it online for cash.
You're gonna extort people to not see it?
and charge them to see it. from their point of view it's a lose/lose
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
it's a lose/lose
Just like their arguments.
it has a pleasing symmetry.
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At least I won't hear any more lies about me
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@Gąska loves @levicki and wants to have his children. (I assume that's a lie, although technically, you didn't hear it unless you're using a screen reader.)
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
I assume that's a lie
Do I need to repeat my lecture on baseless assumptions?
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