I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes
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@JBert it's a step in the right direction. I'd rather them fix their ridiculously bad UX than have no change at all.
I'd be much happier if it said "fuck you, the question is closed, douchebag" 5 minutes into writing a 20 minute answer, rather than when I've finished my 20 minute answer.
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@DoctorJones said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@JBert it's a step in the right direction. I'd rather them fix their ridiculously bad UX than have no change at all.
I'd be much happier if it said "fuck you,
the question is closedanswers no longer welcome here, douchebag" 5 minutes into writing a 20 minute answer, rather than when I've finished my 20 minute answer.
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@jbert, also, the proposal is to notify the user when it's being voted to close, i.e. before it's even been closed. It'd be much better than waiting until it's actually closed before we tell the user. It's interesting that it's by design at the moment, and is purposely user hostile, to prevent some mythical rep-whore user from answering every low quality question ever. It's so Jeff™, to harm the experience for 99% of users, just to deal with a potentially abusive edge case, that, in reality, is not very problematic at all.
Seriously, who cares if a low quality question has an answer? If we block the answer from being submitted, you frustrate the
kind person who is volunteering their time to helpanswer-er, and you also ensure that nobody benefits from the help.Yeah, this thing has Jeff's fingerprints all over it. Even the community think that this behaviour is a good thing.
@boomzilla said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
answers no longer welcome here
Genius!
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@DoctorJones let the answer show up but don't let people vote on it? Give up and let the rep whores get their inflated rep by doing something marginally useful instead of editing minutiae and voting to close everything?
These guys should really sign up for @Gribnit's February thing ().
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Well, who would have thought that the "Tumbleweed" badge might be sending the wrong message?
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Someone finds a downvoted question and posts a good and/or funny answer, but in most cases, :no_fun_zone: mods nuke it anyway.
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takes a real skill to pull off
They're not even hiding anymore that the main goal of StackOverflow is karma whoring.
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My interactions with StackOverflow have remained unchanged since its beginning:
"That's a good question/answer, but I want to add a comment to point out a common misconception or point people to some related thing they might care about"
[ Your feedback is appreciated! This action requires 50 reputation ]
"Oh, right"
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Askers who get one upvote tend to ask better subsequent questions and those who get a downvote tend to do worse.
Or, just maybe, their up/downvote reflects a general (in)ability to ask well thought-out questions, and they would ask the same questions with no voting, badges or reputation system at all.
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people who get a Tumbleweed badge are much less likely to ask a question ever again.
It seems that's more likely to be because their question was ignored rather than because they got a badge for being ignored.
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@JBert What? Give me back my tumbleweed badge, I’m kind of proud of it.
To me, it reflects that the reason my question wasn’t answered isn’t that it’s bad but because nobody even looked at it in the first place.
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I think I had several tumbleweeds. All because I ran into some really difficult and niche problems, but everyone would rather answer the easy JQuery questions.
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@loopback0 said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
people who get a Tumbleweed badge are much less likely to ask a question ever again.
It seems that's more likely to be because their question was ignored rather than because they got a badge for being ignored.
I wonder how many people never ask
anotherquestion because they were told "you don't have enough reputation to do that" on their first try.
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@HardwareGeek I ran into that, too. It wouldn't allow me to use the proper tags/categories for the platform/programming language I was using because I didn't have enough reputation for them. So the system forced me to mis-tag my question, and then my question got closed as "off-topic/miscategorized".
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Also "Data Scientist" - fuck right off. That's not an actual thing.
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@mott555 said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@HardwareGeek I ran into that, too. It wouldn't allow me to use the proper tags/categories for the platform/programming language I was using because I didn't have enough reputation for them. So the system forced me to mis-tag my question, and then my question got closed as "off-topic/miscategorized".
Exactly the same, except I gave up and didn't even post it.
Edit: Also, it didn't bother telling me what I didn't have enough reputation to do. I only figured that out from taking about it here, much later.
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@mott555 said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
I think I had several tumbleweeds. All because I ran into some really difficult and niche problems, but everyone would rather answer the easy JQuery questions.
I don’t remember exactly, but I think mine was math related. Not research-level math so I couldn’t post it on mathoverflow, where the people are who could’ve easily answered it, but also not quite "find the limit of this function" every student posts as their math 101 homework that’s easily answered for karma farming.
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@topspin said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@JBert What? Give me back my tumbleweed badge, I’m kind of proud of it.
To me, it reflects that the reason my question wasn’t answered isn’t that it’s bad but because nobody even looked at it in the first place.As first step they're simply going to stop handing out any new ones, so maybe it'll stay on your profile for quite a while.
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@Cabbage said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
what he seemingly agrees is either a duplicate or a piece of irredeemable garbag
Assuming facts not in evidence.
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@topspin said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
Filed under: This is the sort of English up with which I will not put!
Put... What? I comprehend that it's the joke, but... I'm having unexpected difficulty parsing this phrase...
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@HardwareGeek said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
I wonder how many people never ask
anotherquestion because they were told "you don't have enough reputation to do that" on their first try.That would be me.
I said "Fuck this" and never went back.
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@mott555 said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
It wouldn't allow me to use the proper tags/categories for the platform/programming language I was using because I didn't have enough reputation for them
, is that really a thing?
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What if… since StackOverflow is used almost entirely by developers (for whatever value of "developers"), it's true purpose is to put those developers in the place of users, so they can experience first-hand what sort of things are likely to drive users away, and thus all our software can be better because of it?
It explains so much!
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@anonymous234 said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@mott555 said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
It wouldn't allow me to use the proper tags/categories for the platform/programming language I was using because I didn't have enough reputation for them
, is that really a thing?
I know you need a significant amount of rep to create new tags, but to use them? That sounds strange.
Here, I'm going to try posting this question on a new account:
Edit: Posted just fine:
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@topspin said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
Filed under: This is the sort of English up with which I will not put!
Put... What? I comprehend that it's the joke, but... I'm having unexpected difficulty parsing this phrase...
It’s an example of using "unusual" word order, shuffle it around and you get "This is the sort of English which I will not put up with."
It’s also a play on something famously said by Winston Churchill about the part you didn’t quote from the post, namely, ending a sentence with a preposition:When criticized for occasionally ending a sentence on a preposition, Winston Churchill replied, "This is the type of errant pedantry up with which I will not put." Churchill's reply satirizes the strict adherence to this rule. No one is urging you to write, "Where is Johnny at?" or "Where are you going to?" The best, most effective communication sounds and feels natural, and if that means writing, "Here is the file the list belongs with" instead of "Here is the file with which the list belongs," then write it that way.
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@topspin said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
writing, "Here is the file the list belongs with" instead of "Here is the file with which the list belongs," then write it that way.
See, I understood both of these fine. Just not the one you wrote.
Perhaps more samples should be given to train the model with?
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@Tsaukpaetra This is the type of errant pendantry I will not put up with; this is the type of errant pendantry up with which I will not put.
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@loopback0 said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
Also "Data Scientist" - fuck right off. That's not an actual thing.
It is. It translates into “wannabe statistician”.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
I know you need a significant amount of rep to create new tags, but to use them? That sounds strange.
It was almost certainly for creating the tags. The need for the extra rep to create them is both annoying and very necessary to cut down the spam that would otherwise ensue; I can understand not wanting to enable tagging every piece of junk with
penis-enlargement
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@dkf said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
It is. It translates into “wannabe statistician”.
Isn't that, statistically speaking, all of them?
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@kazitor said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
What if… since StackOverflow is used almost entirely by developers (for whatever value of "developers"), it's true purpose is to put those developers in the place of users, so they can experience first-hand what sort of things are likely to drive users away,
and thus all our software can be better because of it?and learn new ways to drive users awayThat's The Way Of The
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@kazitor said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
What if… since StackOverflow is used almost entirely by developers (for whatever value of "developers"), it's true purpose is to put those developers in the place of users, so they can experience first-hand what sort of things are likely to drive users away, and thus all our software can be better because of it?
2020: All new software is replaced with a single "Giev teh codez" button
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I just want to say the possibility of having Jeff's garden gnomes edit my answers so non-native English speakers can read them is a huge turn off. If I wanted to help duhvelopers in Bangalore, I wouldn't skip over those "gibs me teh codez" type posts in the first place.
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@dkf said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
It was almost certainly for creating the tags. The need for the extra rep to create them is both annoying and very necessary
That's what someone here suggested was the problem with my (only) attempt to post a question. The question was language-specific, and I guess the language (SystemVerilog) didn't have its own tag at the time. Without the proper language tag, it had little or no chance of getting attention from anyone who might have known the answer, so I guess I tried to create it. I don't remember; it's been at least 5 years. Whatever. The newbie-hostile experience repelled me, and I haven't attempted to contribute since. (I did contribute to a SE forum once. I was looking for the answer to a question and found a somewhat similar tumbleweed question to which I knew a partial answer.)
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@dkf said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@loopback0 said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
Also "Data Scientist" - fuck right off. That's not an actual thing.
It is. It translates into “wannabe statistician”.
You mean it translates to: instead of doing real statistics, we train huge ML models without knowing what they're doing.
Pray, Mr. AI, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out? Sometimes.
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@Zenith said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
I just want to say the possibility of having Jeff's garden gnomes edit my answers so non-native English speakers can read them is a huge turn off. If I wanted to help duhvelopers in Bangalore, I wouldn't skip over those "gibs me teh codez" type posts in the first place.
Wait, does that actually happen?
I would expect the garden gnomes to translate from Engrish to readable English, not the other way round.
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@topspin They are under strict orders to do the needful
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@mott555 said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
So the system forced me to mis-tag my question, and then my question got closed as "off-topic/miscategorized".
Why not just let the mods recategorize it correctly?
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@error StackOverflow mods being helpful? Instead of rolling the dice to pick which reason to close the question?
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@topspin said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
You mean it translates to: instead of doing real statistics, we train huge ML models without knowing what they're doing.
Machine Learning: it's money laundering for bias and unreasonable discrimination.
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@kazitor said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
this is the type of errant pendantry
upwith which I will not put up.Okay, I get it now. You're just doing it wrong...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
Status: surprised I haven't got the obligatory :butwhy.wmv: comment yet...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
You're just doing it wrong...
Your statement is what Churchill called errant pedantry.
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@topspin said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
You're just doing it wrong...
Your statement is what Churchill called errant pedantry.
I almost want to fuck this guy, but I'm too lazy.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
Status: surprised I haven't got the obligatory :butwhy.wmv: comment yet...
Alright, Day 1 has passed, well on my way to Tumbleweed stat-- oh wait, they're not giving that badge away anymore. Hrmmm...
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@Tsaukpaetra seems you've already encountered the @Tsaukpaetra of StackOverflow
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@kazitor said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@Tsaukpaetra seems you've already encountered the @Tsaukpaetra of StackOverflow
I know! And it was within like a minute of posting! I think it's probably a bot...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
it was within like a minute of posting! I think it's probably a bot...
That's what I said, isn't it?
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@kazitor said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
it was within like a minute of posting! I think it's probably a bot...
That's what I said, isn't it?
Y-- Well... Hmm, yesss.....
I think I need to sleep...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@kazitor said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
@Tsaukpaetra said in I still fucking hate StackOverflow sometimes:
it was within like a minute of posting! I think it's probably a bot...
That's what I said, isn't it?
Y-- Well... Hmm, yesss.....
I think I need to sleep...
Bots don’t need sleep.