The A in Apple is for Affordable
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@admiral_p said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@Unperverted-Vixen said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@Tsaukpaetra @pie_flavor Step 2 is to realize that unless you want to live in your car, at least half of that salary increase is going to be blown on housing.
Wasn't there somebody who bought a van, parked it in Google/Apple/Facebook's premises and actually lived in there? Which kicks the whole "live and breathe for your company" up a whole notch.
Several someones as I remember. So much for a work-life balance...
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@admiral_p said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@Unperverted-Vixen said in The A in Apple is for Affordable: "@Tsaukpaetra @pie_flavor Step 2 is to realize that unless you want to live in your car, at least half of that salary increase is going to be blown on housing."
Wasn't there somebody who bought a van, parked it in Google/Apple/Facebook's premises and actually lived in there? Which kicks the whole "live and breathe for your company" up a whole notch.
But as I recall they used all the money they saved to buy a house, so what @Unperverted-Vixen said is still accurate.
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@dcon
The appropriate work-life balance is to do whatever work asks of you, and spend any time left over on your life.
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@izzion said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@dcon
The appropriate work-life balance is to do whatever work asks of you, and spend any time left over on your life.
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@admiral_p Do that for 2 years, save like 5 years of full income in a normal place. Move somewhere cheaper and live like a king.
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@topspin yes, yes, but for two years you're still living in a van. That's fucked up any way you put it. It's not the fella's fault, of course. It's the simple fact that people will actually do so that means that something is very, very wrong.
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@izzion said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@dcon
The appropriate work-life balance is to do whatever work asks of you, and spend any time left over on your life.Put your heart in the company and the company will be hard on you.
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@admiral_p said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
yes, yes, but for two years you're still living in a van. That's fucked up any way you put it.
What's wrong with living in a van?
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@Zerosquare said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
you buy them as status symbols.
Things are expensive because certain consumers want expensive things to exist.
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@admiral_p said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@topspin yes, yes, but for two years you're still living in a van. That's fucked up any way you put it. It's not the fella's fault, of course. It's the simple fact that people will actually do so that means that something is very, very wrong.
If he wants to do that to save up money because he'll earn more working for Google than in a cheaper state, why can't he make that choice?
I guess we need to come in and explain that he's incapable of making good choices because he's behaving differently, and take all of his faculty away with regulation.
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@PleegWat said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@izzion said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@dcon
The appropriate work-life balance is to do whatever work asks of you, and spend any time left over on your life.Put your heart in the company and the company will be hard on you.
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@xaade said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@admiral_p said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@topspin yes, yes, but for two years you're still living in a van. That's fucked up any way you put it. It's not the fella's fault, of course. It's the simple fact that people will actually do so that means that something is very, very wrong.
If he wants to do that to save up money because he'll earn more working for Google than in a cheaper state, why can't he make that choice?
I guess we need to come in and explain that he's incapable of making good choices because he's behaving differently, and take all of his faculty away with regulation.
Where did I say anything to that effect? Of course he can make that choice, but the fact that such a choice is actually viable (almost nobody wants to live in a van, not even a motorcar or a trailer, a fucking van) is evidence of a social failure.
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@TimeBandit said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@loopback0 in electronics, I've only seen Apple actively design their stuff to prevent it from being repairable
Horseshit. They all do it now.
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@loopback0 said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@cvi said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@Atazhaia said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Maxed it's 6-core i7, 64GB RAM, 2TB SSD and 10Gbit Ethernet for just $4199.
$4199? What the hell? Is that thing gold-plated or what?
If you spec a Dell Precision desktop for the same specs except a 1TB SSD, it's the equivalent of $4140. Maxed, it's way more.
It does at least seem to be a desktop CPU though.IMO it's a silly price for either, but big numbers aren't exactly Apple specific when it comes to aiming products at professionals.
Yeah, people knock Apple for being expensive but they fail to realize that Apple doesn't make shitty bargain basement computers. Their stuff starts at mid-range or upper mid-range and goes up from there. You can't compare the cheapest Apple machine to the cheapest Windows machine. It is not Apples to Apples
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@Polygeekery said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@TimeBandit said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@loopback0 in electronics, I've only seen Apple actively design their stuff to prevent it from being repairable
Horseshit. They all do it now.
Yeah. The last Sony laptop I bought (it's been a long time) had the hard drive mounted inside - no access hatch. When it failed, I tried to get inside. Gave up and sent it back - it was still under warranty at the time.
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There's a difference between "not caring about repairability" (which unfortunately describes most companies today) and "going out of your way to make it actually harder to repair" (which Apple is famous for).
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@Zerosquare they're also famous for planned obsolescence
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@TimeBandit I'm actually not seeing the big problem with that beyond the previous idiocy of not telling users about it.
Their explanation made sense: Older batteries don't support the peak power supply needed to guarantee a stable system at max speed, so they'll throttle down to reduce peak power requirements to a level the battery can still supply.
Plus, you can now turn it off.
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@admiral_p said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@xaade said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@admiral_p said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@topspin yes, yes, but for two years you're still living in a van. That's fucked up any way you put it. It's not the fella's fault, of course. It's the simple fact that people will actually do so that means that something is very, very wrong.
If he wants to do that to save up money because he'll earn more working for Google than in a cheaper state, why can't he make that choice?
I guess we need to come in and explain that he's incapable of making good choices because he's behaving differently, and take all of his faculty away with regulation.
Where did I say anything to that effect? Of course he can make that choice, but the fact that such a choice is actually viable (almost nobody wants to live in a van, not even a motorcar or a trailer, a fucking van) is evidence of a social failure.
If it is short term and a means to an end I say go for it.
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@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@TimeBandit I'm actually not seeing the big problem with that beyond the previous idiocy of not telling users about it.
You mean flat out denying it before proof was made
Their explanation made sense: Older batteries don't support the peak power supply needed to guarantee a stable system at max speed, so they'll throttle down to reduce peak power requirements to a level the battery can still supply.
Even for the iPhone X, released a year ago
Plus, you can now turn it off.
Now you can, but only to appease public outcry
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@Polygeekery I wonder what would happen if Silicon Valley weren't in a temperate climate area. Would Silicon Valley even exist outside of California? (Say, Chicago).
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@TimeBandit said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Even for the iPhone X, released a year ago
Listen, this feature kicks in when the battery gets old, not when the feature is installed.
I've got an X right at the start and the battery is still rated 100% and non-throttled.
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@admiral_p said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@Polygeekery I wonder what would happen if Silicon Valley weren't in a temperate climate area. Would Silicon Valley even exist outside of California? (Say, Chicago).
There are lots of high paying tech jobs in Chicago and they also have almost no affordable housing, so, sort of.
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@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Older batteries don't support the peak power supply needed to guarantee a stable system at max speed, so they'll throttle down to reduce peak power requirements to a level the battery can still supply.
Um. How about just replacing the FUCKING BATTERY! Oh right. Design feature. Not (user) replaceable. Fuck you, give us your money.
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@dcon said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Older batteries don't support the peak power supply needed to guarantee a stable system at max speed, so they'll throttle down to reduce peak power requirements to a level the battery can still supply.
Um. How about just replacing the FUCKING BATTERY! Oh right. Design feature. Not (user) replaceable. Fuck you, give us your money.
That's largely an industry-wide sin, though.
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@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
That's largely an industry-wide sin, though.
Pioneered by Apple
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@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
<rant>
That's largely an industry-wide sin, though.
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Yeah.
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@admiral_p said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@xaade said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@admiral_p said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@topspin yes, yes, but for two years you're still living in a van. That's fucked up any way you put it. It's not the fella's fault, of course. It's the simple fact that people will actually do so that means that something is very, very wrong.
If he wants to do that to save up money because he'll earn more working for Google than in a cheaper state, why can't he make that choice?
I guess we need to come in and explain that he's incapable of making good choices because he's behaving differently, and take all of his faculty away with regulation.
Where did I say anything to that effect? Of course he can make that choice, but the fact that such a choice is actually viable (almost nobody wants to live in a van, not even a motorcar or a trailer, a fucking van) is evidence of a social failure.
Yes, the failure is people like you who are intolerant of other people's choices and values.
The failure is when people are living in a car because they actually can't afford to live in a more traditional dwelling in an area. We actually have a garage thread about this.
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@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@TimeBandit said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Even for the iPhone X, released a year ago
Listen, this feature kicks in when the battery gets old, not when the feature is installed.
I've got an X right at the start and the battery is still rated 100% and non-throttled.
Exactly. My 6S still isn't throttled.
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@loopback0 said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@TimeBandit said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Even for the iPhone X, released a year ago
Listen, this feature kicks in when the battery gets old, not when the feature is installed.
I've got an X right at the start and the battery is still rated 100% and non-throttled.
Exactly. My 6S still isn't throttled.
Well, it's a Samsung. Only a question of time until it bursts into flame.
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@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Well, it's a Samsung. Only a question of time until it bursts into flame.
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@pie_flavor said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@Gąska said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@stillwater said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
What kind of jobs do apple owners have?
Silly Valley jobs. Where you earn $150k/year but spend half that on housing.
I don't think he meant the company owners. He meant the clients. ;)
No, $150k/year is generally software engineer salary.
Yup, enough to buy a few shares.
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@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@dcon said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Older batteries don't support the peak power supply needed to guarantee a stable system at max speed, so they'll throttle down to reduce peak power requirements to a level the battery can still supply.
Um. How about just replacing the FUCKING BATTERY! Oh right. Design feature. Not (user) replaceable. Fuck you, give us your money.
That's largely an industry-wide sin, though.
Plus, it was introduced for a good reason.
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@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Plus, it was introduced for a good reason.
Which one?
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@loopback0 said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@Rhywden said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@TimeBandit said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Even for the iPhone X, released a year ago
Listen, this feature kicks in when the battery gets old, not when the feature is installed.
I've got an X right at the start and the battery is still rated 100% and non-throttled.
Exactly. My 6S still isn't throttled.
And the way I used my 6 made it get throttled after less than a year. That's the reason why this feature was introduced into iPhone X this year -- if you use the phone a lot (extensive gaming, etc.), it might have degraded already.
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@TimeBandit said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Plus, it was introduced for a good reason.
Which one?
Most important reasons are: better design (metal/glass back, thinner phones), water-resistance, more space for other stuff (no need for designing a separate "compartment" where the battery lives), plus you can easily shape the battery in a "weird" way. You're not limited to it having to always be at the very back, so that it can be swapped.
So yeah, there's lots of good reasons for ditching the removable battery paradigm.
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@TimeBandit said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Plus, it was introduced for a good reason.
Which one?
Duh.
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@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
you can easily shape the battery in a "weird" way.
iPhone 5
iPhone6
iPhone 7
iPhone 8
You're right
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@TimeBandit said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
you can easily shape the battery in a "weird" way.
You're rightRight, ignore all of my valid points, just stick to one and try prove it wrong, badly.
- Never said that's what Apple did.
- There are other brands that have non-removable batteries.
- iPhone X battery:
- All of my points still stand.
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@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
All of my points still stand.
The Samsung Galaxy S5 is waterproof and with a user-replaceable battery.
Does that mean that Samsung's hardware designers are better than the ones working for Apple?
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@TimeBandit said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
The Samsung Galaxy S5 is waterproof
It's water resistant (although that's presumably what @kt_ meant). Until the cover for the charging slot breaks off after like a week.
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@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
- iPhone X battery:
That's not a weirdly shaped battery, that's 2 rectangular ones glued together
- iPhone X battery:
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@boomzilla I say stuff, but you read something else. I basically said the second, not the first one. I have very few problems with people living in a van out of choice, just like I have very few problems with people eloping to some remote area to live in perfect solitude. I have quite a few problems with people living in a van because the housing market is so inflated that it makes it an actually sensible choice.
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@admiral_p You know what else is sensible? Living somewhere you can afford.
If you're getting paid a grossly inflated wage and still can't afford to live there, you're not better off than if you get paid less to live somewhere you can afford to live.
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@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
You're not limited to it having to always be at the very back, so that it can be swapped.
The battery usually is at the back anyway because the screen is at the front and those two things make up almost all of the bulk of the phone.
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@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
You're not limited to it having to always be at the very back, so that it can be swapped.
In practice, I don't think there are any devices with it anywhere else. The only difference is you have to work harder and void your warranty to remove the cover.
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@loopback0 that's a much wider debate.