"Presidential Alert" test tomorrow
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@The_Quiet_One said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
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@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@blakeyrat said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@boomzilla Who? Why? Do you think my OP in this thread is "hysterical"? What the hell are you talking about, in short?
Why do you think I think your OP is hysterical? STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH
But your thing about campaign messages comes pretty close, now that you mention it.
You can't see punctuation today. Go buy those reading glasses already.
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@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
I've been watching people get hysterical about this for the last couple of weeks or so. Hilarious.
It could always be a very simple "It's 11:18 and all is well".
It's afterwards when the senate starts inquiring about improper government spending that they'll find it took 3 months of specialist team work to compose the message (including 7 weeks dedicated specifically on whether it should leave out the period on the end to "engage the younger generation") which could have been spent elsewhere.
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Imagine if they accidentally just sign up the presidential alert thing for Twitter notifications.
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@JBert said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
engage
the younger generation@Jaloopa
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@lolwhat Rehabilitation Act of 1973
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@blakeyrat said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
I bet within 5 years this system is used to send campaign messages for whatever party controls the Executive Branch.
They've already had emergency TV override broadcast for decades. Was it ever used for campaigning? I don't think these presidential alerts would be any different in this regard.
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@Gąska but....TRUMP!
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@boomzilla Wow it's been almost 3 days since I've been called a stupid dummy idiot moron dumbass retard. You guys are off your game.
I mean if you don't constantly call me stupid, how am I going to know? I could have accidentally for a moment thought that anything I thought or said could possibly have any inherent value! That would have been quite a pickle.
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@blakeyrat said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@boomzilla Wow it's been almost 3 days since I've been called a stupid dummy idiot moron dumbass retard. You guys are off your game.
I mean if you don't constantly call me stupid, how am I going to know? I could have accidentally for a moment thought that anything I thought or said could possibly have any inherent value! That would have been quite a pickle.
What?
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@boomzilla Oh right I muted a thread, so you were probably calling me a dumbshit in that but I wasn't reading it. My fault.
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@blakeyrat said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@boomzilla Oh right I muted a thread, so you were probably calling me a dumbshit in that but I wasn't reading it. My fault.
What?
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@Gąska said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
They've already had emergency TV override broadcast for decades. Was it ever used for campaigning?
That was developed back in the old days when engineers actually put thought and effort into designing things. I'm sure that has a process in place to make sure the messages that go out are actually vetted and approved for content. This? I'll be surprised if it requires anything other than the President's AD login to spam the entire country.
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@Unperverted-Vixen you're basically arguing that people are way more of shitheads nowadays than 60 years ago.
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@Unperverted-Vixen Are we taking bets on whether there'll be a way to remotely access it over the internet, and if so how long it will take for someone else to abuse it?
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@Gąska said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Unperverted-Vixen you're basically arguing that people are way more of shitheads nowadays than 60 years ago.
I think the argument is more that there's been a cultural shift away from careful engineering and towards getting the cheapest and quickest result.
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Gąska said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
They've already had emergency TV override broadcast for decades. Was it ever used for campaigning?
That was developed back in the old days when engineers actually put thought and effort into designing things. I'm sure that has a process in place to make sure the messages that go out are actually vetted and approved for content. This? I'll be surprised if it requires anything other than the President's AD login to spam the entire country.
Actually... I was at Defcon many years ago and attended a demonstration of the security in that system using the actual equipment. There... Is none. Literally anyone who could figure out the line of sight antenna links involved could inject a message.
Those radio links are, naturally, a matter of public record because they're licensed.
It's basically a tree system. Injecting to one TV station you can do from the parking lot. A couple, from a first tier distribution node. Many, second tier. All of them would be hard because at some point the origin goes to the POTS network.
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@blakeyrat said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@boomzilla Wow it's been almost 3 days since I've been called a stupid dummy idiot moron dumbass retard. You guys are off your game.
I mean if you don't constantly call me stupid, how am I going to know? I could have accidentally for a moment thought that anything I thought or said could possibly have any inherent value! That would have been quite a pickle.
Actually, I think it's been a few months. Most of the stuff since then was just you complaining about being wrong.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Gąska said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Unperverted-Vixen you're basically arguing that people are way more of shitheads nowadays than 60 years ago.
I think the argument is more that there's been a cultural shift away from careful engineering and towards getting the cheapest and quickest result.
Cheapest and quickest results are still a far cry from getting spammed with Trump tweets. The latter still requires shitheads to be in White House and be willing to abuse the system for political ads.
I've just thought of the simplest, most conclusive argument that Presidential Alert wont be used for campaigning: people wouldn't like it.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
I think the argument is more that there's been a cultural shift away from careful engineering and towards getting the cheapest and quickest result.
Bingo.
@Weng said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
Actually... I was at Defcon many years ago and attended a demonstration of the security in that system using the actual equipment. There... Is none. Literally anyone who could figure out the line of sight antenna links involved could inject a message.
*gulp*
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@Scarlet_Manuka There is! These systems all chain up to FEMA IPAWS, which operates on a protocol called CAP ("Common Alerting Protocol", basically XML pub/sub). If you write a nice letter and sit through a few hours of videos, you get access to send alerts for your county. Figure out how to bypass the message filter (which shouldn't be hard; it's FEMA and they didn't use the US Digital Service for this) and you too could be spamming a nation by TV, radio, cell phone, Facebook, Alexa...
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@Unperverted-Vixen There's historical precedent of companies creating ads with duck farts which, when the main station in a market aired them, had all the other local stations react accordingly -- cease regular programming and rebroadcast the main station, which was playing an ad rather than an emergency message. There's also precedent of actual hacking being done, fairly recently.
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@pie_flavor said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@blakeyrat said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@boomzilla Wow it's been almost 3 days since I've been called a stupid dummy idiot moron dumbass retard. You guys are off your game.
I mean if you don't constantly call me stupid, how am I going to know? I could have accidentally for a moment thought that anything I thought or said could possibly have any inherent value! That would have been quite a pickle.
Actually, I think it's been a few months. Most of the stuff since then was just you complaining about being wrong.
Liar. I'm sure I've called him an idiot more recently than that.
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@JBert said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
when the senate starts inquiring about improper government spending
nice fantasy world you have there
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@Lorne-Kates
According to some witnesses it's more of a
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Well, it's 11:18 PST.
What did the message say?
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Holy shit! It was just like every other alert!
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@AlexMedia said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
Well, it's 11:18 PST.
What did the message say?
I don't know. I quickly pressed
okand said STFU.
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@AlexMedia said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
What did the message say?
"Title bar": Presidential alert.
Message: This is a test. No action is necessary.Or something like that.
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Can you see the alerts in the phone's history? (specifically Android)
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@dcon It shows up in my SMS history just like any other text conversation.
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@dcon said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
Can you see the alerts in the phone's history? (specifically Android)
History of what?
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@dcon said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
Can you see the alerts in the phone's history? (specifically Android)
Yes.
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@mott555 said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@dcon It shows up in my SMS history just like any other text conversation.
Didn't even think to look there... Guess I would have noticed it (maybe) the next time someone messaged me...
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Aww, lame. At least they could've included a discount at the closest Dunkin' Donuts or something.
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@Tsaukpaetra what is that? How did you pull it up?
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@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Tsaukpaetra what is that? How did you pull it up?
It's your SMS app.
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@dcon said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Tsaukpaetra what is that? How did you pull it up?
It's your SMS app.
It wasn't an SMS and my SMS app doesn't seem to know anything about it.
No, I found it: Settings -> Apps & notifications -> Advanced -> Emergency alerts
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@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@dcon said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Tsaukpaetra what is that? How did you pull it up?
It's your SMS app.
It wasn't an SMS and my SMS app doesn't seem to know anything about it.
No, I found it: Settings -> Apps & notifications -> Advanced -> Emergency alerts
It's in my SMS...edit: Since I don't have that path, I'm guessing you're on an iPhone... (apps and notifications are in 2 different sections in my Android settings)
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Underwhelming.
Filed under: not mine
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@dcon said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@dcon said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Tsaukpaetra what is that? How did you pull it up?
It's your SMS app.
It wasn't an SMS and my SMS app doesn't seem to know anything about it.
No, I found it: Settings -> Apps & notifications -> Advanced -> Emergency alerts
It's in my SMS...edit: Since I don't have that path, I'm guessing you're on an iPhone... (apps and notifications are in 2 different sections in my Android settings)
Which version of Android? I'm on...err...9.
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@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Tsaukpaetra what is that? How did you pull it up?
Well, the proper way is from your built-in Messaging (aka SMS messages) App -> Three-dots -> Settings -> Advanced -> Wireless Alerts (or similar).
But I manually made an activity call to
Cell Broadcasts .CellBroadcastListActivityin my launcher to get there faster.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
Well, the proper way is from your built-in Messaging (aka SMS messages) App -> Three-dots -> Settings -> Advanced -> Wireless Alerts (or similar).
Ahhhh, I didn't explore deep enough before.
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@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Tsaukpaetra said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
Well, the proper way is from your built-in Messaging (aka SMS messages) App -> Three-dots -> Settings -> Advanced -> Wireless Alerts (or similar).
Ahhhh, I didn't explore deep enough before.
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
@Weng said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
Actually... I was at Defcon many years ago and attended a demonstration of the security in that system using the actual equipment. There... Is none. Literally anyone who could figure out the line of sight antenna links involved could inject a message.
gulp
In case you were thinking that it maybe got better since those many years, I would like to point you at this 2018 black hat talk. tl;dr: Security? Lol. (They fixed it since.)
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@boomzilla said in "Presidential Alert" test tomorrow:
Which version of Android? I'm on...err...9.
Ah. I'm on 8.
