WTF Bites



  • @Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:

    @dcon: switch to Javascript. No compiling, problem solved. :trollface:

    You've just moved the temperature issues from the developer's machine to the end user's machine. And saved your office a bunch of money on the electric bill!



  • @Jaloopa said in WTF Bites:

    non organic cows

    Are inorganic cows spherical?

    Filed under: In a vacuum?



  • @HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:

    @Jaloopa said in WTF Bites:

    non organic cows

    Are inorganic cows spherical?

    Filed under: In a vacuum?

    I really gotta fire up HyperBlade in a Win95 VM so I can extract the joke ads. None of them are on the Internet. There was one about genetically-engineered chickens that were completely boneless and shaped like a cube so they stored easily while still alive.



  • @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    @tharpa said in WTF Bites:

    @Scarlet_Manuka said in WTF Bites:

    In the fridge at work is a container of so-called "rice milk" (according to the ingredients, water with rice in it, presumably finely powdered and mixed to a milk-like consistency but it's not as if I've tried opening it to verify this). No, that's not the WTF, or at least not much of one.

    The WTF is that the package proudly proclaims: "Organic!"

    Yeah... just like literally every other milk-substitute in existence and, of course, milk itself.

    TRWTF is that this probably does increase their sales....

    No, that's not a WTF at all. There's a specific legal definition of it, and it basically means you didn't use (artificial) chemical insecticides, herbicides or fertilizers. You may not distinguish between naturally-arising chemicals and man-made chemicals (or, reasonably, just "chemicals" for short), but that doesn't mean that other people don't.

    I prefer "organic", but I'm not really willing to pay much extra for it. This is of course, a different sense of the word than in the phrase "organic chemistry".

    Where the fail comes in is that while you (the farmer growing and selling "organic" crops) may not be using artificial chemicals, your neighbor can, and if the winds just happen to blow so that his crop-dusting drifts into your fields... well, you didn't add any chemicals to your crops, so they can still be sold as "organic". (Just be sure to submit chemical testing samples from the corner of your farm that's furthest from your "inorganic" neighbor to the certification agency. After you thoroughly wash them, of course.)

    Not to mention the fact that "organic" produce is grown with "chemicals" -- "natural" pesticides which can be just as toxic as (if not more so than) the "artificial chemicals" used in conventional farming -- to pollinators such as bees, to worms and other organisms that keep the soil healthy, to fish and other nearby wildlife, to farm workers or anyone who comes into direct contact with the pesticide during or after application, and potentially even to consumers who eat them. Now, normally, I wouldn't worry about that last point, but I added it because the primary argument for organic food is to convince people that conventionally-grown food has dangerous levels of pesticide residue and we should be worried about this... but when they test produce to determine how much pesticide residue we're eating, they typically don't even test for residues of those "natural" pesticides used in organic farming. Yet they say the organic produce is safer because the pesticides they do test for -- the ones used on conventionally-grown crops -- aren't found. Hmm.



  • @anotherusername Just curious: Exactly which natural pesticides are you talking about?



  • @Rhywden Caffeine is a natural pesticide, I believe. (No idea if that's relevant here, but since when does relevancy matter on this site?)



  • And coming from farm country, I always get amused over the desire for "natural" "organic" food. Usually that means most of the farmer's crop (both plant and animal) died because they never were treated for disease or given vaccinations and things like that.



  • @mott555 said in WTF Bites:

    @Rhywden Caffeine is a natural pesticide, I believe. (No idea if that's relevant here, but since when does relevancy matter on this site?)

    Naw, you're thinking of nicotine. But that's forbidden to use as a pesticide in the EU.



  • @Rhywden said in WTF Bites:

    @mott555 said in WTF Bites:

    @Rhywden Caffeine is a natural pesticide, I believe. (No idea if that's relevant here, but since when does relevancy matter on this site?)

    Naw, you're thinking of nicotine. But that's forbidden to use as a pesticide in the EU.

    Yup, you're right. I got my stimulants mixed up today.



  • @mott555 said in WTF Bites:

    And coming from farm country, I always get amused over the desire for "natural" "organic" food. Usually that means most of the farmer's crop (both plant and animal) died because they never were treated for disease or given vaccinations and things like that.

    Well, truth to be told, pesticides are a problem because we're currently seeing a massive reduction in insect populations in general.

    And that's not a good sign for the future.

    It's only one part of the whole problem, though.



  • Currently doing Windows Updates on a new Win10 machine that needs customization before shipping to a customer. For the first time ever, I got a popup saying "Windows needs to restart to continue updating. Restart now or later?" So I clicked "Restart Now." It gave me an error message saying "Windows cannot restart until it's done updating. Try again later."

    😒



  • @mott555 said in WTF Bites:

    You've just moved the temperature issues from the developer's machine to the end user's machine. And saved your office a bunch of money on the electric bill!

    Nah, the energy saved by moving stuff to the end user's machine is offset by the developer using a JavaScript-based editor which requires a full high-end Intel core just to keep the cursor blinking.



  • @Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:

    @dcon: switch to Javascript. No compiling, problem solved. :trollface:

    You may remember that I mentioned elsewhere that our company is moving our C++/Win32 app to Electron... (Status: Job search in progress...)



  • @dcon: Ouch.



  • @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @ben_lubar said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor Before Windows 10 Microsoft wouldn't install thirdparty crapware automatically on users PCs. And while I used games in my examples, this goes for any thirdparty app that gets installed by Microsoft without my permission on my PC. No, I don't need Foxit PDF Reader auto-installed when I got Acrobat DC.

    (Which also is fun in that Microsoft auto-installs a PDF reader when they want you to use Edge for all your PDF needs.)

    No, it'd install firstparty crapware, like Pinball and Solitaire and Minesweeper.
    Continue.

    Do you seriously not understand the difference?

    Humor me.

    Developers need to have something blasé to relax their minds between programming sessions, but not so involving that they lose track of reality. Pinball, Solitaire (and Hearts and Spider Solitaire), and Minesweeper are perfect for that. They start almost instantly, provide a simple interface, require minimal resources (say, if code is compiling, video is rendering, etc.), and have little enough emotional investment that closing a game partway through is not crushingly depressing. (Microsoft even added a save feature to most of them that reduces or eliminates that issue.)



  • @topspin said in WTF Bites:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

    @hungrier said in WTF Bites:

    • crontab -r stands for rm -rf --no-preserve-root /

    My question is: why is there a command to erase the crontab at all?

    Shirley there are more cromulent methods of disabling a service than wiping its spiritconfig!

    Edit: fixed before @pie_flavor gets confused....

    Beats me. If I had actually wanted to erase it I'd still have edited it with crontab -e and either commented or deleted everything. I learned of the existence of -r the moment I mistyped it.

    <:pendant:>The very moment you mistyped it? Or the moment you ran it after mistyping it?</:pendant:>



  • @Rhywden said in WTF Bites:

    @anotherusername Just curious: Exactly which natural pesticides are you talking about?

    The ones that are used specifically for their toxicity against pests? It's pretty well known that plants manufacture toxic compounds to help defend themselves. Hydrogen cyanide is found in stone fruits such as peaches, apricots, and almonds, and the castor plant produces ricin toxin.

    If you're looking for specific examples of compounds that are used as pesticides, then maybe let's say pyrethrins. Or copper sulfate.



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

    @topspin said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor Back in my day (and that wasn't even that long ago) we handed in our assignments on paper. :belt_onion:

    I printed mine, otherwise my handwriting would perpetually result in rejection.

    Someone once told me that they knew I wouldn't become a doctor after they saw my handwriting. :)



  • @anotherusername said in WTF Bites:

    @Rhywden said in WTF Bites:

    @anotherusername Just curious: Exactly which natural pesticides are you talking about?

    The ones that are used specifically for their toxicity against pests? It's pretty well known that plants manufacture toxic compounds to help defend themselves. Hydrogen cyanide is found in stone fruits such as peaches, apricots, and almonds, and the castor plant produces ricin toxin.

    If you're looking for specific examples of compounds that are used as pesticides, then maybe let's say pyrethrins. Or copper sulfate.

    Copper I'll grant you. The rest... not so much. While they're allowed they're usually only allowed with restrictions. Pyrethrins, for example, may not be used in the agrarian settings producing food.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @mott555 said in WTF Bites:

    @HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:

    @Jaloopa said in WTF Bites:

    non organic cows

    Are inorganic cows spherical?

    Filed under: In a vacuum?

    I really gotta fire up HyperBlade in a Win95 VM so I can extract the joke ads. None of them are on the Internet. There was one about genetically-engineered chickens that were completely boneless and shaped like a cube so they stored easily while still alive.

    Sounds familiar.

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  • Considered Harmful

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @ben_lubar said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor Before Windows 10 Microsoft wouldn't install thirdparty crapware automatically on users PCs. And while I used games in my examples, this goes for any thirdparty app that gets installed by Microsoft without my permission on my PC. No, I don't need Foxit PDF Reader auto-installed when I got Acrobat DC.

    (Which also is fun in that Microsoft auto-installs a PDF reader when they want you to use Edge for all your PDF needs.)

    No, it'd install firstparty crapware, like Pinball and Solitaire and Minesweeper.
    Continue.

    Do you seriously not understand the difference?

    Humor me.

    Developers need to have something blasé to relax their minds between programming sessions, but not so involving that they lose track of reality. Pinball, Solitaire (and Hearts and Spider Solitaire), and Minesweeper are perfect for that. They start almost instantly, provide a simple interface, require minimal resources (say, if code is compiling, video is rendering, etc.), and have little enough emotional investment that closing a game partway through is not crushingly depressing. (Microsoft even added a save feature to most of them that reduces or eliminates that issue.)

    And Candy Crush fulfills those same requirements. Continue.


  • 🚽 Regular

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    Developers need to have something blasé to relax their minds between programming sessions


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:

    @dcon: switch to Javascript. No compiling, problem solved. :trollface:

    Actually, building anything other than C++ is likely to be enough to cut the power consumption. Something about C++ makes it awful in terms of CPU usage; even standard C is usually reasonable (with a modern CPU, plenty of RAM and an SSD 😉).



  • @Rhywden said in WTF Bites:

    @mott555 said in WTF Bites:

    @Rhywden Caffeine is a natural pesticide, I believe. (No idea if that's relevant here, but since when does relevancy matter on this site?)

    Naw, you're thinking of nicotine. But that's forbidden to use as a pesticide in the EU.

    Caffeine is too, and chances are, so is just about any random unusual chemical you find in plants that results in interesting effects when consumed -- spicy, acidic, bitter, or even psychoactive. Chances are they either kill pests or at least strongly deter pests from eating the plants containing them.



  • @Scarlet_Manuka said in WTF Bites:

    @Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:

    So, that snippet I just posted, or the onebox above? No longer allowed unless you're willing to pay €€€.

    The article also says

    So, sharing hyperlinks to articles, together with “individual words” to describe them, will be free of copyright constraints. At the same time, in an attempt to encourage start-ups and innovation, the text now exempts small and micro platforms from the directive. Wikipedia and open source software platforms will likewise not be affected.

    Behold the rise of the open-source news organizations!


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @anotherusername said in WTF Bites:

    strongly deter pests from eating the plants containing them

    Alas, they encourage problems from a different pest, a weird kind of ape…


  • Considered Harmful

    @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    @Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:

    @dcon: switch to Javascript. No compiling, problem solved. :trollface:

    Actually, building anything other than C++ is likely to be enough to cut the power consumption. Something about C++ makes it awful in terms of CPU usage; even standard C is usually reasonable (with a modern CPU, plenty of RAM and an SSD 😉).

    Probably something about the fact that it is so obtusely linear that imports are basically just 'dump this file into mine' and they had to create a whole new function syntax so the return type could respect a template parameter defined by an argument type.



  • @blakeyrat said in WTF Bites:

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    What am I missing?

    Put your cursor halfway through the last line in the document, then hit "Page Down" and see where the cursor ends up.

    At the very end of the document? MS Word and Chrome do the same thing, as far as I can tell.



  • @Gribnit said in WTF Bites:

    @djls45 Are you trolling cats?

    Uh, sorta...? It was more supposed to be a sort-of parody of my own position in regards to the importance of family in rearing law-abiding children and certain areas in society where family integrity is devalued and as a result, the crime rate is higher.

    And now look what you've made me do. I've explained my joke, so it can't be funny any more. :(
    :P


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    Probably something about the fact that it is so obtusely linear that imports are basically just 'dump this file into mine' and they had to create a whole new function syntax so the return type could respect a template parameter defined by an argument type.

    It's mostly deeper than that. The header mess doesn't help, but the major costs are definitely in the optimization stage, not the reparsing (you can see this by building using -O0 and seeing just how much faster that is to compile everything). I think it's something to do with the amount of inlining and template specialization in a typical C++ program.



  • @Rhywden said in WTF Bites:

    @mott555 said in WTF Bites:

    @Rhywden Caffeine is a natural pesticide, I believe. (No idea if that's relevant here, but since when does relevancy matter on this site?)

    Naw, you're thinking of nicotine. But that's forbidden to use as a pesticide in the EU.

    Unsavory people aren't allowed to smoke? :trollface:



  • @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @ben_lubar said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor Before Windows 10 Microsoft wouldn't install thirdparty crapware automatically on users PCs. And while I used games in my examples, this goes for any thirdparty app that gets installed by Microsoft without my permission on my PC. No, I don't need Foxit PDF Reader auto-installed when I got Acrobat DC.

    (Which also is fun in that Microsoft auto-installs a PDF reader when they want you to use Edge for all your PDF needs.)

    No, it'd install firstparty crapware, like Pinball and Solitaire and Minesweeper.
    Continue.

    Do you seriously not understand the difference?

    Humor me.

    Developers need to have something blasé to relax their minds between programming sessions, but not so involving that they lose track of reality. Pinball, Solitaire (and Hearts and Spider Solitaire), and Minesweeper are perfect for that. They start almost instantly, provide a simple interface, require minimal resources (say, if code is compiling, video is rendering, etc.), and have little enough emotional investment that closing a game partway through is not crushingly depressing. (Microsoft even added a save feature to most of them that reduces or eliminates that issue.)

    And Candy Crush fulfills those same requirements. Continue.

    No, it's got a timer and a restriction on how often you can attempt a level before you have to either wait a long time or pay real money for more "lives."


  • Considered Harmful

    @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    Probably something about the fact that it is so obtusely linear that imports are basically just 'dump this file into mine' and they had to create a whole new function syntax so the return type could respect a template parameter defined by an argument type.

    It's mostly deeper than that. The header mess doesn't help, but the major costs are definitely in the optimization stage, not the reparsing (you can see this by building using -O0 and seeing just how much faster that is to compile everything). I think it's something to do with the amount of inlining and template specialization in a typical C++ program.

    Template syntax is its own bag of tigers. A language with generics doesn't have the problems that C++ has, because generics are part of the language but templates are a separate super-language like directives that expand into more code. Like #include does. Which is fucking moronic and leads to an insane amount more compilation, especially when you include the obtuse linearity of the compiler, which among other things means that the template is not expanded once per argument set per project, but once per argument set per file.


  • Considered Harmful

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @ben_lubar said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor Before Windows 10 Microsoft wouldn't install thirdparty crapware automatically on users PCs. And while I used games in my examples, this goes for any thirdparty app that gets installed by Microsoft without my permission on my PC. No, I don't need Foxit PDF Reader auto-installed when I got Acrobat DC.

    (Which also is fun in that Microsoft auto-installs a PDF reader when they want you to use Edge for all your PDF needs.)

    No, it'd install firstparty crapware, like Pinball and Solitaire and Minesweeper.
    Continue.

    Do you seriously not understand the difference?

    Humor me.

    Developers need to have something blasé to relax their minds between programming sessions, but not so involving that they lose track of reality. Pinball, Solitaire (and Hearts and Spider Solitaire), and Minesweeper are perfect for that. They start almost instantly, provide a simple interface, require minimal resources (say, if code is compiling, video is rendering, etc.), and have little enough emotional investment that closing a game partway through is not crushingly depressing. (Microsoft even added a save feature to most of them that reduces or eliminates that issue.)

    And Candy Crush fulfills those same requirements. Continue.

    No, it's got a timer and a restriction on how often you can attempt a level before you have to either wait a long time or pay real money for more "lives."

    Pinball doesn't have a timer?


  • BINNED

    @cvi said in WTF Bites:

    @mott555 said in WTF Bites:

    You've just moved the temperature issues from the developer's machine to the end user's machine. And saved your office a bunch of money on the electric bill!

    Nah, the energy saved by moving stuff to the end user's machine is offset by the developer using a JavaScript-based editor which requires a full high-end Intel core just to keep the cursor blinking.

    :not-sure-if-sarcasm-or-reality.png:

    Unfortunately the latter. Should've linked to that article, I vaguely remember about this.


  • Java Dev

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    Probably something about the fact that it is so obtusely linear that imports are basically just 'dump this file into mine' and they had to create a whole new function syntax so the return type could respect a template parameter defined by an argument type.

    It's mostly deeper than that. The header mess doesn't help, but the major costs are definitely in the optimization stage, not the reparsing (you can see this by building using -O0 and seeing just how much faster that is to compile everything). I think it's something to do with the amount of inlining and template specialization in a typical C++ program.

    Template syntax is its own bag of tigers. A language with generics doesn't have the problems that C++ has, because generics are part of the language but templates are a separate super-language like directives that expand into more code. Like #include does. Which is fucking moronic and leads to an insane amount more compilation, especially when you include the obtuse linearity of the compiler, which among other things means that the template is not expanded once per argument set per project, but once per argument set per file.

    And I expect the cases are few and far between that you'd do anything with templates which you couldn't do with generics.
    Like how it's rare to do something in C with (non-constant) macros which you couldn't do with an inline function.


  • 🚽 Regular

    @topspin said in WTF Bites:

    @cvi said in WTF Bites:

    @mott555 said in WTF Bites:

    You've just moved the temperature issues from the developer's machine to the end user's machine. And saved your office a bunch of money on the electric bill!

    Nah, the energy saved by moving stuff to the end user's machine is offset by the developer using a JavaScript-based editor which requires a full high-end Intel core just to keep the cursor blinking.

    :not-sure-if-sarcasm-or-reality.png:

    Unfortunately the latter. Should've linked to that article, I vaguely remember about this.


  • Considered Harmful

    @anotherusername said in WTF Bites:

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    @tharpa said in WTF Bites:

    @Scarlet_Manuka said in WTF Bites:

    In the fridge at work is a container of so-called "rice milk" (according to the ingredients, water with rice in it, presumably finely powdered and mixed to a milk-like consistency but it's not as if I've tried opening it to verify this). No, that's not the WTF, or at least not much of one.

    The WTF is that the package proudly proclaims: "Organic!"

    Yeah... just like literally every other milk-substitute in existence and, of course, milk itself.

    TRWTF is that this probably does increase their sales....

    No, that's not a WTF at all. There's a specific legal definition of it, and it basically means you didn't use (artificial) chemical insecticides, herbicides or fertilizers. You may not distinguish between naturally-arising chemicals and man-made chemicals (or, reasonably, just "chemicals" for short), but that doesn't mean that other people don't.

    I prefer "organic", but I'm not really willing to pay much extra for it. This is of course, a different sense of the word than in the phrase "organic chemistry".

    Where the fail comes in is that while you (the farmer growing and selling "organic" crops) may not be using artificial chemicals, your neighbor can, and if the winds just happen to blow so that his crop-dusting drifts into your fields... well, you didn't add any chemicals to your crops, so they can still be sold as "organic". (Just be sure to submit chemical testing samples from the corner of your farm that's furthest from your "inorganic" neighbor to the certification agency. After you thoroughly wash them, of course.)

    Not to mention the fact that "organic" produce is grown with "chemicals" -- "natural" pesticides which can be just as toxic as (if not more so than) the "artificial chemicals" used in conventional farming -- to pollinators such as bees, to worms and other organisms that keep the soil healthy, to fish and other nearby wildlife, to farm workers or anyone who comes into direct contact with the pesticide during or after application, and potentially even to consumers who eat them. Now, normally, I wouldn't worry about that last point, but I added it because the primary argument for organic food is to convince people that conventionally-grown food has dangerous levels of pesticide residue and we should be worried about this... but when they test produce to determine how much pesticide residue we're eating, they typically don't even test for residues of those "natural" pesticides used in organic farming. Yet they say the organic produce is safer because the pesticides they do test for -- the ones used on conventionally-grown crops -- aren't found. Hmm.

    I used to keep up with organic gardening practice. Pest control was accomplished via the likes of diatomaceous earth and introduced predators, mostly. What methods are you talking about? Or did you get pwned by a ConAgra astroturf somewhere?



  • @Gribnit said in WTF Bites:

    @anotherusername said in WTF Bites:

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    @tharpa said in WTF Bites:

    @Scarlet_Manuka said in WTF Bites:

    In the fridge at work is a container of so-called "rice milk" (according to the ingredients, water with rice in it, presumably finely powdered and mixed to a milk-like consistency but it's not as if I've tried opening it to verify this). No, that's not the WTF, or at least not much of one.

    The WTF is that the package proudly proclaims: "Organic!"

    Yeah... just like literally every other milk-substitute in existence and, of course, milk itself.

    TRWTF is that this probably does increase their sales....

    No, that's not a WTF at all. There's a specific legal definition of it, and it basically means you didn't use (artificial) chemical insecticides, herbicides or fertilizers. You may not distinguish between naturally-arising chemicals and man-made chemicals (or, reasonably, just "chemicals" for short), but that doesn't mean that other people don't.

    I prefer "organic", but I'm not really willing to pay much extra for it. This is of course, a different sense of the word than in the phrase "organic chemistry".

    Where the fail comes in is that while you (the farmer growing and selling "organic" crops) may not be using artificial chemicals, your neighbor can, and if the winds just happen to blow so that his crop-dusting drifts into your fields... well, you didn't add any chemicals to your crops, so they can still be sold as "organic". (Just be sure to submit chemical testing samples from the corner of your farm that's furthest from your "inorganic" neighbor to the certification agency. After you thoroughly wash them, of course.)

    Not to mention the fact that "organic" produce is grown with "chemicals" -- "natural" pesticides which can be just as toxic as (if not more so than) the "artificial chemicals" used in conventional farming -- to pollinators such as bees, to worms and other organisms that keep the soil healthy, to fish and other nearby wildlife, to farm workers or anyone who comes into direct contact with the pesticide during or after application, and potentially even to consumers who eat them. Now, normally, I wouldn't worry about that last point, but I added it because the primary argument for organic food is to convince people that conventionally-grown food has dangerous levels of pesticide residue and we should be worried about this... but when they test produce to determine how much pesticide residue we're eating, they typically don't even test for residues of those "natural" pesticides used in organic farming. Yet they say the organic produce is safer because the pesticides they do test for -- the ones used on conventionally-grown crops -- aren't found. Hmm.

    I used to keep up with organic gardening practice. Pest control was accomplished via the likes of diatomaceous earth and introduced predators, mostly. What methods are you talking about? Or did you get pwned by a ConAgra astroturf somewhere?

    I am emphatically not talking about gardening; I'm talking about commercial-scale organic farming. I'm talking about farmers who go "organic" not really because they care, but because the demand for organic produce and the associated high price people will pay for it provides them a financial incentive to do so. I'm talking about farmers who are pressured to use "natural" pesticides and so they simply increase the application in order to keep away the pests and get a similar yield to what they could achieve with smaller or less frequent applications of conventional pesticides. Or maybe they do care... but they just can't afford to lose half their crop. Natural or synthetic, toxic chemicals are toxic, and as the saying goes, "the dose makes the poison".

    When you go to the local grocery store, you might think that your organic pears came from some small farmer who cares more about keeping the environment clean and using a minimal amount of toxic chemicals than they care about making a buck. But you don't know that.


  • Considered Harmful

    @anotherusername Eh, I just buy whatever pears, except I don't ever buy pears. What are they, spraying tobacco juice?



  • @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @ben_lubar said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    @Atazhaia said in WTF Bites:

    @pie_flavor Before Windows 10 Microsoft wouldn't install thirdparty crapware automatically on users PCs. And while I used games in my examples, this goes for any thirdparty app that gets installed by Microsoft without my permission on my PC. No, I don't need Foxit PDF Reader auto-installed when I got Acrobat DC.

    (Which also is fun in that Microsoft auto-installs a PDF reader when they want you to use Edge for all your PDF needs.)

    No, it'd install firstparty crapware, like Pinball and Solitaire and Minesweeper.
    Continue.

    Do you seriously not understand the difference?

    Humor me.

    Developers need to have something blasé to relax their minds between programming sessions, but not so involving that they lose track of reality. Pinball, Solitaire (and Hearts and Spider Solitaire), and Minesweeper are perfect for that. They start almost instantly, provide a simple interface, require minimal resources (say, if code is compiling, video is rendering, etc.), and have little enough emotional investment that closing a game partway through is not crushingly depressing. (Microsoft even added a save feature to most of them that reduces or eliminates that issue.)

    And Candy Crush fulfills those same requirements. Continue.

    No, it's got a timer and a restriction on how often you can attempt a level before you have to either wait a long time or pay real money for more "lives."

    Pinball doesn't have a timer?

    (1) I didn't say they all had all those things. (2) Pinball doesn't require real money to continue playing whenever you want.


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    @djls45 If you've got an argument, it should apply to the things you use to defend your argument. Pinball is something you are defending, so the timer should be removed from your argument. The idea is not to pay King, the idea is to add an incentive for only playing a few games instead of spending all day on it.



  • @pie_flavor Lately they've made it a lot easier to get lots of powerups, including "infinite lives" timers that last 30 minutes or an hour.



  • @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    At the very end of the document? MS Word and Chrome do the same thing, as far as I can tell.

    They do not. But like I said, it's possible those sites were using some kind of JS to make Chrome's textareas behave the way they did.


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    Minecraft 1.13 brings The Flattening, whereby there are no more 'data values' on anything. There's no more minecraft:stained_glass with color values 0-15, there's just minecraft:red_stained_glass, minecraft:orange_stained_glass, etc. Spigot, which is still using a unified enum for block and item types that was phased out of the game five years ago, which still allows you to use integer IDs which disappeared at the same time, which refuses to ever break anything ever to the point that they hacked in a return signature to the binary which wouldn't have compiled so it'd exist runtime, is teetering on the edge here.
    Today I learned how they're planning to handle it. They're taking a leaf from Sponge's book and doing some bytecode rewriting at runtime.
    Except instead of monkeypatching Minecraft, they're monkeypatching plugins.

    Let that sink in for a second. Dynamic rewriting of bytecode at runtime, of arbitrary user-generated code. During the game, even, because of hot-reloads.
    In a platform that is known far and wide for its absolute devotion to stability.
    🍿


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    @pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:

    Like #include does.

    The other reason that #include isn't a huge problem in practice is that everyone sane has include-once controls in their headers, either through non-standard language extensions or the common #ifndef/#define stanza.



  • @pie_flavor Petition some other popular plugin to dynamically generate their code and spray it with integrity checks. "We shall not permit our intellectual property to be tampered with by third parties". :trollface:



  • @blakeyrat said in WTF Bites:

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    At the very end of the document? MS Word and Chrome do the same thing, as far as I can tell.

    They do not. But like I said, it's possible those sites were using some kind of JS to make Chrome's textareas behave the way they did.

    Could you explain what the difference is, then? I'm still curious, and I don't have a Mac Classic to find out how they differ.



  • @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    Could you explain what the difference is, then?

    You claimed you just tried it. You didn't notice any difference?


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