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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
The immigration laws allow for separating children from adults when one of three things applies:
the children are being abused,
the children are not actually related to the adults,
the adults are being charged with crimes.(Under which of those scenarios should the kids be left with the adults?)
I used to think illegals were just deported. Having small children locked in a shitty place just because their parents dragged them there is fucked up.
Also, it's probably irrational, but the news make the US look so hostile I would feel scared if I had to go there.
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@doctorjones said in In other news today...:
I'm slightly confused as to how the design allowed foreign materials to damage it that much. I was expecting maybe "spray it out and wack a scrub brush across it a bit".
I mean, it's outdoors, so some level of "This thing should be durable" standard should apply, right?
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
I used to think illegals were just deported. Having small children locked in a shitty place just because their parents dragged them there is fucked up.
Normally, they aren't deported pretty much ever, because no one was enforcing the law. Especially if they had children, the law was particularly difficult, so they were typically just set free. Enforcing the law, which was clearly flawed, certainly brought out the flaws.
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
The immigration laws allow for separating children from adults when one of three things applies:
the children are being abused,
the children are not actually related to the adults,
the adults are being charged with crimes.(Under which of those scenarios should the kids be left with the adults?)
I used to think illegals were just deported.
^^What @Magus said.
Having small children locked in a ****** place just because their parents dragged them there is ****ed up.
The external facility is provided, funded, and managed by the local government, and it has to have a certain minimal level of care. It's not like the kids get dropped into a hole in the ground and fed gruel once a day.
Also, it's probably irrational, but the news make the US look so hostile I would feel scared if I had to go there.
The major US news networks (except Fox) really seem to have an extremely leftist bent. I don't know how the rest of the world's news networks lean, but the little I've seen (mostly BBC) is leftist, too.
The problem is in trying to enter illegally. There was a CNN story recently in which their reporters interviewed a family that they labeled "asylum-seekers". However, the family had attempted to cross the border a few miles from a border checkpoint, and then claimed asylum only after they were captured. That's not how asylum works. For asylum, people present themselves at a border checkpoint or an embassy and claims it up front. In the US system, they are then processed on high priority and their claim for asylum is evaluated. If it is determined to be a legitimate claim†, they are granted residence. If the claim for asylum is denied, then they are just added to the regular immigration waiting list.
† IIRC, a legitimate claim for asylum is either political or religious in nature as follows. Political asylum is for people who are physically threatened by the government for their political views in the country from which they are fleeing. Religious asylum is similar, but they have to be a member of a minority religion that the majority religion of the country they're fleeing is violently persecuting.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@DoctorJones said in In other news today...:
I'm slightly confused as to how the design allowed foreign materials to damage it that much. I was expecting maybe "spray it out and wack a scrub brush across it a bit".
I mean, it's outdoors, so some level of "This thing should be durable" standard should apply, right?
Maybe that was the cost to rent a pressure washer and go around to all the charging ports to clean them out?
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'Eat till you're bankrupt': All-you-can-eat offer shuts down hot pot restaurant in two weeks
A Chinese hot pot restaurant in the city of Chengdu is forced to close its doors after an all-you-can-eat deal leaves it more than $100,000 in debt after a fortnight.
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@izzion said in In other news today...:
#MeToo or yet more "pre-planned stock selling" ahead of a bigger security revelation? You decide!
Maybe the latter; don't think it's the former since "consensual relationship" has been emphasized everywhere I've heard the story and there's been no "counter" story (e.g. sexual assault allegations) that I've heard. (Hell, I haven't heard the other employee identified or even what their gender is.)
Probably just felt like it was a good time to get out and this was the "opportunity". Not like he's not going to find a position somewhere else.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
The major US news networks (except Fox) really seem to have an extremely leftist bent. I don't know how the rest of the world's news networks lean, but the little I've seen (mostly BBC) is leftist, too.
The one I mainly read¹ is not². In the article today they cared to point out that many of the images are about four years old, that is from Obama's term, that even Hillary Clinton talked about detracting the immigrants and that the law is old, just now somewhat more strictly enforced than before.
¹ In the paper form, usually during the commute, unless I commute by bike.
² In either the American or the local sense of the world, because they don't match. Around here, the left/right division is mainly on the economic axis, so conservatives are on the right, but the liberals (who are most progressive) are on the right center, while the socialists on the left are pretty much all over the places in progressiveness (as in the party is not united in the question and is mostly ignoring it anyway).
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@bb36e WAT?!?
- Restaurant fails to anticipate demand for $25, month-long all-you-can-eat deal
- Went bankrupt inside of two weeks after more than 500 people came every day
- The owner admits they weren't great at management after ending up $100,000 in debt
Customers paid the fee and received a membership card that entitled them to unlimited food for the month.
Some customers reportedly shared their card around with family and friends, drastically increasing the volume of meals being consumed on a single purchase.It might not even be "as much as you can eat, once a day"?
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@jbert said in In other news today...:
@bb36e WAT?!?
- Restaurant fails to anticipate demand for $25, month-long all-you-can-eat deal
- Went bankrupt inside of two weeks after more than 500 people came every day
- The owner admits they weren't great at management after ending up $100,000 in debt
Customers paid the fee and received a membership card that entitled them to unlimited food for the month.
Some customers reportedly shared their card around with family and friends, drastically increasing the volume of meals being consumed on a single purchase.Amazing, isn't it?
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Saudi Arabia is about to spend millions to troll Qatar by turning it into an island
Yes, that’s an actual thing.
Dig a huge expensive canal just to make your neighbor into an island
That's petty but OK...
Surround new island with nuclear waste
-level x5000
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@cursorkeys said in In other news today...:
Dig a huge expensive canal just to make your neighbor into an island
That's petty but OK..."...and we're gonna get Qatar to pay for the canal!"
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@cursorkeys "Troll." Sure.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
These laws were enacted by Congress and signed by a previous president (Bush in 2008?), not by executive fiat as per Obama's SOP; so Trump, as a good executive, is enforcing the laws as written by Congress. If Congress wants him to stop enforcing them, they'll have to change the laws. That's how our government is supposed to function. Nothing is working improperly.
The way NPR (yeah I know) explained it is Trump was going off of what was basically a typo in a previous bill where unaccompanied minors was written without the word "unaccompanied". But they did mostly agree that if you're a pedantic dickweed, Trump is enforcing the law-as-written. (And I think everybody agrees, even Trump, that this is really Congress's problem to solve, not the responsibility of anybody in the Executive Branch.)
The problem is obviously all law enforcement has to prioritize and pick and choose which cases they should be hard-asses on and which they should just relax a bit on. Even after Trump's "zero-tolerance policy" ICE is, for example, mostly ignoring the something like 35 million undocumented immigrants already established in the country unless they've committed a genuine crime.
And Trump's claim that he had to enforce the law this way because of Congress was complete bullshit, demonstrated by himself when he simply decided to stop doing it and instructed his subordinates of that policy.
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@blakeyrat said in In other news today...:
The way NPR (yeah I know) explained it is Trump was going off of what was basically a typo in a previous bill where unaccompanied minors was written without the word "unaccompanied".
The issue as I understand it is that the Trump administration, by deciding to criminally prosecute anyone who illegally crosses the border (as opposed to just eventually giving them a civil trial and then deporting them), results in them actually being thrown in prison to await their trial, and since their minor children cannot be placed with them in adult prisons, they have to be separated, thus becoming unaccompanied.
So he's enforcing the law as written, because it says that entering the country illegally is a crime, and he's having them prosecuted for it. Everything else pretty much follows from that.
@blakeyrat said in In other news today...:
ICE is, for example, mostly ignoring the something like 35 million undocumented immigrants already established in the country unless they've committed a genuine crime
Finding all of the 35 million immigrants who are already in the country illegally is going to take a long time. It has to start somewhere, and it makes sense to focus primarily on catching the ones crossing the border now and dealing with the rest later, once the border is secure, unless they should happen to come to law enforcement's attention for other crimes in the meantime.
@blakeyrat said in In other news today...:
Trump's claim that he had to enforce the law this way because of Congress was complete bullshit, demonstrated by himself when he simply decided to stop doing it and instructed his subordinates of that policy.
Trump's new executive order specifies that families, including alien minors, will be held in ICE prisons until their trial, which has previously been ruled explicitly unconstitutional by a court ruling which declared that ICE cannot imprison alien minors for longer than 20 days.
Increasing the number of judges to hear the cases will help reduce the backlog somewhat, but it will take some time I'd imagine, so they'll be pushing up against that limit pretty soon. I'm interested to see what will happen then.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@DoctorJones said in In other news today...:
I'm slightly confused as to how the design allowed foreign materials to damage it that much. I was expecting maybe "spray it out and wack a scrub brush across it a bit".
I mean, it's outdoors, so some level of "This thing should be durable" standard should apply, right?
Maybe that was the cost to rent a pressure washer and go around to all the charging ports to clean them out?
But maybe they put the breaker box (do you really want to spray high pressure water into a live electrical outlet?) behind some POS barrier that takes 23 hours of labor to remove. And, of course, 92 hours to reassemble because 42 of the screws got stripped when removing them.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
The issue as I understand it is that the Trump administration, by deciding to criminally prosecute anyone who illegally crosses the border (as opposed to just eventually giving them a civil trial and then deporting them), results in them actually being thrown in prison to await their trial, and since their minor children cannot be placed with them in adult prisons, they have to be separated, thus becoming unaccompanied.
Right.
However that was never the intention of the original law, was their point. Just the specific wording didn't match the intention.
This is also why I'm not happy when those GDPR fans are like "well sure the wording's vague, but don't worry the judges will use their wiggle-room and be generous"... yeah, right.
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
So he's enforcing the law as written, because it says that entering the country illegally is a crime, and he's having them prosecuted for it. Everything else pretty much follows from that.
Kind of.
If you intend to prosecute, you need to ensure the adults are available for trial. This could mean putting them in a Federal jail. It could also mean putting them in a converted motel as a family unit (which was what Obama did, IIRC, and the Feds own several buildings designed for that purpose.) It could simply mean ankle bracelet or cellphone monitoring.
The important thing that needs to happen is they need to be available for trial. But Trump is the one who said "that means jail, every time".
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
and it makes sense to focus primarily on catching the ones crossing the border now and dealing with the rest later, once the border is secure,
Except that'll never happen. Or, rather, when it does happen it'll be because central American countries get their shit together and start having effective governments, not due to anything the US does on its own. Certainly nothing ICE can do.
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Increasing the number of judges to hear the cases will help reduce the backlog somewhat, but it will take some time I'd imagine, so they'll be pushing up against that limit pretty soon. I'm interested to see what will happen then.
This is really the solution. We don't need more people with guns, we need more legal staff to more quickly determine whether a claim of asylum is warranted. We also need a Federal government that doesn't change the (practical) definition every 3 months.
Holding anybody for over 20 days before they get their fair hearing is a goddamned embarrassment. (And way more in violation of basic American principles than having a leaky border, BTW.) If Trump were talking about fixing that problem, I'd be all behind it.
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@cursorkeys said in In other news today...:
Surround new island with nuclear waste
I thought that was a joke. <reads article> Oh shit,
time!
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@blakeyrat If a law should not be enforced, then it should not be a law and should be removed.
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@djls45 I concur. Not sure if you're trying to paint me as a hypocrite or what, but I even said that this is Congress' responsibility to fix, a responsibility they've been shirking for years.
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@blakeyrat said in In other news today...:
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
So he's enforcing the law as written, because it says that entering the country illegally is a crime, and he's having them prosecuted for it. Everything else pretty much follows from that.
Kind of.
If you intend to prosecute, you need to ensure the adults are available for trial. This could mean putting them in a Federal jail. It could also mean putting them in a converted motel as a family unit (which was what Obama did, IIRC, and the Feds own several buildings designed for that purpose.) It could simply mean ankle bracelet or cellphone monitoring.
The important thing that needs to happen is they need to be available for trial. But Trump is the one who said "that means jail, every time".
Defendants awaiting charges in civil court proceedings are generally allowed to go on their way, perhaps with minimal supervision and monitoring to ensure that they don't try to flee the court's jurisdiction. People who are facing criminal charges, however, are typically thrown into jail to wait for their trial, unless they have a bail amount set and they're able to pay the bail to get themselves out.
Previous administrations tended to usually just put those whose only crime was being here illegally through the civil process of deportation; bringing actual criminal charges and prosecuting them for those was mostly reserved for individuals who had also committed other crimes.
In effect, the highlighted text below (source) has been reversed under this policy:
The law says that they committed a crime, and now the policy is to enforce that law and actually charge them with a full criminal trial process.
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@blakeyrat said in In other news today...:
@djls45 I concur. Not sure if you're trying to paint me as a hypocrite or what, but I even said that this is Congress' responsibility to fix, a responsibility they've been shirking for years.
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@magus said in In other news today...:
Normally, they aren't deported pretty much ever, because no one was enforcing the law. Especially if they had children, the law was particularly difficult, so they were typically just set free. Enforcing the law, which was clearly flawed, certainly brought out the flaws.
That may have been what Trump was going for. The left already thinks he's the Devil Incarnate, so there's not really any room to hate him more, so he can bring up things that would be career suicide for a normal politician.
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Finding all of the 35 million immigrants who are already in the country illegally is going to take a long time.
Not to mention that some of the states will oppose any such efforts.
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@antiquarian said in In other news today...:
there's not really any room to hate him more
I believe this whole incident demonstrates that you've made an incorrect assertion there. You might've thought it was impossible to do, but you were wrong: they actually do hate him more! Amazing, isn't it?
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
they actually do hate him more!
We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.
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Breaking news...
House fire is believed to have been caused by items catching fire
A HOUSE fire which saw five people rushed to hospital is believed to have been caused by items catching fire.
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@pjh News update: fire crews arrived at the scene to douse the fire, but they caused water damage by making everything wet
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Turkey election: Erdogan win ushers in new presidential era
President Erdogan's election victory means sweeping new powers for him, which his opponents decry.
New Führer, same as the old Führer.
(Good thing they have lots ofüs)
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@polygeekery No, the Nope thread is
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Marijuana drug wins FDA approval—a first that may change federal regulations
The DEA is expected to change CBD scheduling within 90 days.
The FDA approved [Epidiolex] for use in patients aged two and older who suffer from rare and severe forms of epilepsies known as Lennox-Gastaut syndrome and Dravet syndrome, which can develop early in childhood.
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@heterodox said in In other news today...:
@polygeekery No, the Nope thread is
.Well, you're not wrong and if it were moved I would not take offense.
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UK weather causes Waterloo travel chaos as commuters pack out station after trains cancelled on hottest day of the year
TEMPERATURES will continue to soar this week with forecasters warning of more scorching days as the UK struggles to cope with the heat. Frustrated commuters at London Waterloo were forced to sweat …
30C Scorcher, everyone!
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@boner 86°F? A scorcher?
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@pie_flavor absolutely, I've been using the Air Conditioning all week long, it's roasting.
I've got some friends from Russia and Saudi Arabia, and they both comment on the weather when they visit the UK.
My friend from Russia said he's used to temperatures in winter down to -20c, so when he first visited the UK and heard it was only going to be 0c, he decided he wouldn't need to dress too warm. He was surprised to find that it felt colder than it did in Russia, despite the huge temperature difference. The change in humidity is what makes the difference. It's always very humid in the UK, so the cool weather feels colder, and the warm weather feels hotter.
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@doctorjones I'll call it roasting when it hits 100°F. Or when your humidity hits 90%. Until then it's merely warm.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@doctorjones I'll call it roasting when it hits 100°F. Or when your humidity hits 90%. Until then it's merely warm.
Would that be relative, specific or thermal humidity?
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@carnage Whatever Google says. All I know is I had great fun in 80°F at 90% humidity for three weeks, even if I started sweating as soon as I got off the plane and didn't stop until I got back on it three weeks later.
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Car crashed into the office of Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, at 4:00 this morning. Driver exited the car, lit it on fire, and fled the scene with an unknown person in a getaway vehicle.
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@doctorjones A few facts:
- The current temperature (8:25 AM local time) is 27C, at 87% humidity.
- The expected high today is low (due to rain) at 33C.
- The expected low (at 6AM tomorrow) is 24C, at 94% humidity.
And this week is very cool for summer time due to the rain bands in the area.
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@doctorjones
Our 5-day forecast (which is most definitely not a heat wave):- 28/21 71% humidity, 50% chance of afternoon T-storms
- 26/18 81% humidity, rain most of the day (hence the cool)
- 31/21 70% humidity, sunny
- 33/24 73% humidity, partly cloudy
- 34/24 72% humidity, partly cloudly
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@carnage Whatever Google says. All I know is I had great fun in 80°F at 90% humidity for three weeks, even if I started sweating as soon as I got off the plane and didn't stop until I got back on it three weeks later.
That wasn't sweat, it was the humidity in your clothes.
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Maybe it's regional, but in Minnesota we tend to talk about humidity with the dew point. So in general a dew point of 60F starts feeling pretty gross and at 70F that's pretty miserable. Obviously the % humidity is the dew point relative to the temperature so those aren't exact lines in the sand, but it's pretty reliable. So what's considered the equivalent % to those approximate dew points, or at least how I described them?
Out of curiosity, and related, do you guys tend to hear/use "heat index" or "wind chill" as part of describing the weather? I'm curious how much those are standard and how much they're regional.
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@doctorjones said in In other news today...:
The change in humidity is what makes the difference.
For humans, that's true. I wouldn't expect train tracks to notice, though, and wildfires are generally associated with less humid conditions.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
I wouldn't expect train tracks to notice, though
It depends on the size of the expansion joints between rails. The bigger the size of temperature differences over the year, the more expansion joint space overall (bigger joints or more of them) you need. The UK tends to use fairly long stretches between small expansion joints, as in most years the temperature range isn't too large.
wildfires are generally associated with less humid conditions
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Send help!
UK official HEATWAVE ALERT: Met Office warning for 'DANGEROUS' weat...
BRITAIN has today been put on official heatwave alert as Government health advisors issue warnings for ‘dangerous’ weather.
Temperatures are forecast to rocket through this week sparking fears of water shortages and melting pavements.
Winter gritters could be sent out to spread sand on the roads as blazing sunlight turns surfaces ‘into dough’, according to driving experts.
A plume of roasting air from Africa and the Continent threatens to push the mercury past the 90F mark this week.
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@mikehurley said in In other news today...:
Out of curiosity, and related, do you guys tend to hear/use "heat index" or "wind chill" as part of describing the weather?
Yes to both (East coast).
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@mikehurley said in In other news today...:
Out of curiosity, and related, do you guys tend to hear/use "heat index" or "wind chill" as part of describing the weather? I'm curious how much those are standard and how much they're regional.
Heat index isn't used very frequently, but wind chill is very commonly used.
The usage probably correlates with the typical weather we have over here ;-)
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@mikehurley said in In other news today...:
"wind chill" as part of describing the weather?
New York, only during winter, when wind chill can actually be potentially deadly.
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