GIF or JIF?
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
@pie_flavor Yup, I used to write Visual Basic during the VB6 era. Then I moved into web stuff, doing VBS in what might loosely be called ASP Classic - and then to PHP. And I've never gone back. I wonder why that is.
No, I mean why did you turn it off then?
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@pie_flavor because you don't understand what sarcasm is?
That's my point, it was so 'helpful' that turning it off improved my experience.
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
@pie_flavor because you don't understand what sarcasm is?
That's my point, it was so 'helpful' that turning it off improved my experience.
You didn't say that it improved your experience. That was one of the most confusing ways you could have put that.
And it's literally just more useful autocomplete, taking definitions, types, call syntax, and libraries into account. If you are making use of Notepad++ autocompletes, and you don't find them annoying, then the same should be true for Intellisense.
Also, IDEs have uses besides autocompletion
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@pie_flavor "it was so helpful I turned it off" implies I didn't find it very helpful.
Also, just because it helps you doesn't mean it helps the rest of us. Especially given some of the codebases I've worked on over the last 15 years whose argument list really wouldn't help you to know it.
In a PHP world, it's possibly modestly useless, or for some codebases completely useless when you find how many things accept generic arrays or stdClass instances as parameters.
In a Visual Basic world, it was painfully slow on the potatoputer of the day and when it slowed down my ability to type, I gave up with it. I still see comments to this day which suggests it's still a performance hog.
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
@pie_flavor "it was so helpful I turned it off" implies I didn't find it very helpful.
You still haven't really said why, just sayin'.
Also, just because it helps you doesn't mean it helps the rest of us. Especially given some of the codebases I've worked on over the last 15 years whose argument list really wouldn't help you to know it.
You cannot call a function if you don't know it's parameters. Or maybe you can in PHP, hell if I know. Probably logs it obscurely and returns
{"false"}
.In a PHP world, it's possibly modestly useless, or for some codebases completely useless when you find how many things accept generic arrays or stdClass instances as parameters.
You find out which ones support those with things like inline documentation on autocomplete lists.
In a Visual Basic world, it was painfully slow on the potatoputer of the day and when it slowed down my ability to type, I gave up with it. I still see comments to this day which suggests it's still a performance hog.
I could do Intellisense just fine on my potatoputer (which is closer to modern day so it's a more updated example). Software moves forward.
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
"it was so helpful I turned it off" implies I didn't find it very helpful.
Leave it dude. He has that peculiarly American blindness for sarcasm
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@jaloopa said in GIF or JIF?:
Leave it dude.
That and the fact that he thinks I have to be 'converted' to the righteous path, which is another reason I stay away. I often look at proselytizers and wonder whether they're trying to justify it to me or to themselves.
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
I often look at proselytizers and wonder whether they're trying to justify it to me or to themselves.
Why not both?
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@khudzlin I see it as more of an 'and/or' scenario. Used as selection criteria for deciding appropriate level retaliation if deemed appropriate.
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
I don't get your point about the A being pronounced differently, maybe you pronounce apparatus differently to me but the short A sounds the same round these parts
The initial A in "apparatus" is a long A.
Application: long A
Apprehend: long A
Appetizer: long A
Applicant: long A
Applying: ...no wait, that's a short A...
Approval: short A
Apportion: short A
Appendix: short A
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
JIF is what would eventually become the JPEG format as we know it
Wasn't it JFIF?
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@pie_flavor said in GIF or JIF?:
That's the bit where it figures out that you wrote a variable name, and then decides that every time you type the first letter of that name, it should pressure you into autocompleting to that variable, and prioritize this over keywords, right?
I changed it to 3.
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@anotherusername said in GIF or JIF?:
@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
JIF is what would eventually become the JPEG format as we know it
Wasn't it JFIF?
Jvfefe
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@anotherusername you and I pronounce those words differently because for me and my accent, every single one of those words begins the exact same way.
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@anotherusername no, that was also one of the fun subsets of the 'full standard'. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG#JPEG_files for more details.
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@pie_flavor said in GIF or JIF?:
Many thousands of Eclipse users say the same, never having come face-to-face with IntelliJ in their lives.
I've tried both (and also Netbeans). I prefer Eclipse.
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
@jaloopa Now we've sorted out this religious war, how do we sort out the really serious ones, like emacs vs vim?
I'd like to see a battle to the death on whether CICS and URL are pronounceable acronyms or should be read as individual letters (both the latter where I live). And whether SQL is pronounced "ask you well" or "sea quell" (or as a small minority prefer, "squeal").
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@da-doctah I've never heard of CICS before but I'd probably make it an initialism. URL for me has always been an initialism, I've never found that 'earl' or some bastardisation of 'yourll' could work.
SQL is also an initialism for me, though I don't have to autocorrect too hard from sea-quell. That said, squeal is not one I have come across - but squirrel is one I have...
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@da-doctah said in GIF or JIF?:
ask you well
That's a pronunciation of S I haven't heard before. I'd say "Esk You Well"
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@da-doctah said in GIF or JIF?:
ask you well
Some of the database code I've run into could be described as AssQL.
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@da-doctah said in GIF or JIF?:
I'd like to see a battle to the death on whether CICS and URL
I've always read the former as "six" (but I only encountered that as an occasional user, and it was a long time ago) and probably read the latter as the names of the letters most of the time but not always.
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@da-doctah said in GIF or JIF?:
whether SQL is pronounced "ask you well"
that is not how I pronunouce "S".
It's like "ess-queue-ell".
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@gurth said in GIF or JIF?:
@anotherusername said in GIF or JIF?:
I changed it to 3th.
FTFY.
There, I fixed it:
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
how many things accept generic arrays or stdClass instances as parameters.
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@da-doctah said in GIF or JIF?:
@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
@jaloopa Now we've sorted out this religious war, how do we sort out the really serious ones, like emacs vs vim?
I'd like to see a battle to the death on whether CICS and URL are pronounceable acronyms or should be read as individual letters (both the latter where I live). And whether SQL is pronounced "ask you well" or "sea quell" (or as a small minority prefer, "squeal").
Filed under: CIFS
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@jaloopa said in GIF or JIF?:
@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
how do we sort out the really serious ones, like emacs vs vim?
Clearly for that war we just need to kill everyone who thinks that a command line based text editor makes any sense at all, and move to proper graphical environments
Emacs is a graphical editor:
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
@pie_flavor ah, so you're assuming I've never come across IntelliSense before, cute, but wrong. I was doing Visual Studio based dev before I went to PHP. Unless it's massively upped its game since 2002, it invariably just gets in my way.
I mean, yeah, it should be obvious that it massively upped its game since 2002. It’s been 15 years, you know?
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@tsaukpaetra Moodle passes a lot around like this.
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And now the real important question: when you need to SSH into a machine, do you call it correctly, I.e. that you need to “shoosh” into it?
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@kt_ said in GIF or JIF?:
And now the real important question: when you need to SSH into a machine, do you call it correctly, I.e. that you need to “shoosh” into it?
sish*
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@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
@tsaukpaetra Moodle passes a lot around like this.
.... So?
$SpecificMCU bit-bangs in order to talk USB.
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@anotherusername said in GIF or JIF?:
@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
I don't get your point about the A being pronounced differently, maybe you pronounce apparatus differently to me but the short A sounds the same round these parts
The initial A in "apparatus" is a long A.
Application: long A
Apprehend: long A
Appetizer: long A
Applicant: long A
Applying: ...no wait, that's a short A...
Approval: short A
Apportion: short A
Appendix: short AOther sounds for inital A's:
Aardvark
Anus
Aegis (no, this is not pronounced like a-jus)
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@anotherusername said in GIF or JIF?:
@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
I don't get your point about the A being pronounced differently, maybe you pronounce apparatus differently to me but the short A sounds the same round these parts
The initial A in "apparatus" is a long A.
Application: long A
Apprehend: long A
Appetizer: long A
Applicant: long A
Applying: ...no wait, that's a short A...
Approval: short A
Apportion: short A
Appendix: short AWhat the hell is wrong with you?
A "long" vowel is one that "says its name". So the A in "ape" is a long A. All the ones you listed are short.
(There are words where this is an issue. Remember the Cowardly Lion's song on the nature of courage: "who puts the ape in apricot?" Foreigners who don't English good, that's who.)
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@tsaukpaetra said in GIF or JIF?:
@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
@tsaukpaetra Moodle passes a lot around like this.
.... So?
$SpecificMCU bit-bangs in order to talk USB.
PHP is a higher level language that has a full OOP system and yet we just pass around generic data structures to everything that may or may not contain any given data and almost certainly mutate state based on the literal current situation.
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@pleegwat said in GIF or JIF?:
JIF makes me think of the cleaning agent that got renamed to CIF decades ago
Still a thing in Australia: https://www.unilever.com.au/brands/our-brands/jif.html
My first thought when hearing "jif".
@medinoc said in GIF or JIF?:
pronouncing it "jif"
Did you give your girlfriend a jift?
Different pronunciations are interesting. There was some debate at work around "cache". It appears most Australians pronounce that with a long "a" (because the e at the end modifies it) but everyone else pronounces it like "cash". We've given up trying to be the same so both pronunciations are accepted. Though someone did once ask for "catching" who was thoroughly ridiculed.
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@da-doctah said in GIF or JIF?:
@anotherusername said in GIF or JIF?:
@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
I don't get your point about the A being pronounced differently, maybe you pronounce apparatus differently to me but the short A sounds the same round these parts
The initial A in "apparatus" is a long A.
Application: long A
Apprehend: long A
Appetizer: long A
Applicant: long A
Applying: ...no wait, that's a short A...
Approval: short A
Apportion: short A
Appendix: short AWhat the hell is wrong with you?
A "long" vowel is one that "says its name". So the A in "ape" is a long A. All the ones you listed are short.
of course you're right. Still, there's a difference between the pronunciation of all the words that I listed.
ap·pli·ca·tion /ˌapləˈkāSH(ə)n/ ap·pre·hend /ˌaprəˈhend/ ap·pe·tiz·er /ˈapəˌtīzər/ ap·pli·cant /ˈapləkənt/ ap·ply /əˈplī/ ap·prov·al /əˈpro͞ovəl/ ap·por·tion /əˈpôrSH(ə)n/ ap·pen·dix /əˈpendiks/
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@atazhaia said in GIF or JIF?:
@perverted_vixen I say I would have expected you to pronounce it "yiff"...
no, that's how i pronounce Sierra Echo X-ray.
:-P
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@tsaukpaetra said in GIF or JIF?:
Filed under: CIFS
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@da-doctah said in GIF or JIF?:
"who puts the ape in apricot?" Foreigners who don't English good, that's who
You mean English people who English properly because we invented the language?
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@jaloopa said in GIF or JIF?:
@da-doctah said in GIF or JIF?:
You mean English people who English properly because weinvented the languagestole the language from other places, leading our language to have a significant old High German influence, but with Latin, Greek and French influences and have a language that despite 'inventing', we are not morphologically productive with?
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@jaloopa said in GIF or JIF?:
You mean English people who English properly because we invented the language?
Those guys died hundreds of years ago.
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I hope.
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@zecc said in GIF or JIF?:
@anonymous234 said in GIF or JIF?:
You don't have to remember 45 different forms of verb conjugation.
You get to remember thousands of different spellings and pronunciations exceptions1 instead.
1assuming there are even rules in the first place.
Multiplied by regions. (My dad always joked that the way he pronounced "car" was "automobile". He's from Rhode Island.)
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@jaloopa said in GIF or JIF?:
@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
how do we sort out the really serious ones, like emacs vs vim?
Clearly for that war we just need to kill everyone who thinks that a command line based text editor makes any sense at all, and move to proper graphical environments
Yeah, gvim.
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@pie_flavor said in GIF or JIF?:
But yeah, intellisense is useful in all scenarios
Except in VS2015. Causes VS to constantly crash. When closing. Which then auto-reopens. Dammit! I was trying to close you! Mind you, I want intellisense. But I value my sanity more.
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@hungrier said in GIF or JIF?:
@anotherusername said in GIF or JIF?:
@arantor said in GIF or JIF?:
JIF is what would eventually become the JPEG format as we know it
Wasn't it JFIF?
Jvfefe
Wait - is that how you pronounce
covfefe
?
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@da-doctah said in GIF or JIF?:
I'd like to see a battle to the death on whether CICS and URL are pronounceable acronyms or should be read as individual letters (both the latter where I live). And whether SQL is pronounced "ask you well" or "sea quell" (or as a small minority prefer, "squeal").
I've actually heard at least one person pronounce it as "squirrel."
Related: does GUID rhyme with "fluid" or with "squid"?
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@masonwheeler said in GIF or JIF?:
Related: does GUID rhyme with "fluid" or with "squid"?
I use the first. I've heard both - and oddly no religious wars have erupted over this one...
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@masonwheeler said in GIF or JIF?:
@da-doctah said in GIF or JIF?:
I'd like to see a battle to the death on whether CICS and URL are pronounceable acronyms or should be read as individual letters (both the latter where I live). And whether SQL is pronounced "ask you well" or "sea quell" (or as a small minority prefer, "squeal").
I've actually heard at least one person pronounce it as "squirrel."
Related: does GUID rhyme with "fluid" or with "squid"?
It rhymes with UUID.
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