Re: Fuck Google
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@anotherusername said in Re: Fuck Google:
I don't think it (the antenna, at least) was designed for the phone to be held, period. How the phone was supposed to be held couldn't possibly have weighed into the decision to put the antenna there, because if they'd considered how you're supposed to hold it, they would've realized that they shouldn't put it there, or should cover it with something non-conductive so people's hands wouldn't directly touch it.
It's about making a beautiful phone, not a functioning phone. We heard about that earlier in the thread.
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@anotherusername said in Re: Fuck Google:
they even thought that touching an antenna improves reception; that's a pretty common impression that people have
Yeah, I remember as a kid holding my hand in certain proximities to the antenna would often improve reception of a particular station, but touching it was right out. Only time it really helped was with cheap-o two-way-radios that were right next to each other (and probably only because it reduced the SNR so that it could properly receive it).
As a KID.
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@anotherusername ah, totally agreed, then.
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@boomzilla said in Re: Fuck Google:
@anotherusername said in Re: Fuck Google:
I don't think it (the antenna, at least) was designed for the phone to be held, period. How the phone was supposed to be held couldn't possibly have weighed into the decision to put the antenna there, because if they'd considered how you're supposed to hold it, they would've realized that they shouldn't put it there, or should cover it with something non-conductive so people's hands wouldn't directly touch it.
It's about making a beautiful phone, not a functioning phone. We heard about that earlier in the thread.
No you didn't. But nice straw man, but keep it hidden from wind, lest it blows it away.
And look what you did, I had to downvote your post, making me throw out my "no downvotes in this thread" rule. Bad @boomzilla!
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@WernerCD said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
@Arantor said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ The official statement, sure. Except Jobs himself did say what amounted to that.
"Just avoid holding it in that way."
How else can one interpret that than 'you're holding it wrong'?
It won't work another way? Sure, they didn't say outright "we designed it badly", but that's something no company would say.
Seriously, they ended up distributing bumpers to iPhone 4 owners free of charge. What else would you want? That they treat them as bad as Google and they their phones?
So... how much Apple stock do you own?
They did what all companies do: Treated their customers like shit (Hey idiots, your holding your phone wrong - paraphrased in so many words)... and then back tracked when the shit storm rolled over their precious name brand.
You know you're just reiterating what others said, right?
So I'm not gonna respond to that. Unless you have something interesting to say, I'm gonna ignore you. Because fuck that, I'm not gonna respond to the same argument multiple times.
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@anonymous234 said in Re: Fuck Google:
@anotherusername said in Re: Fuck Google:
Whoever designed the iPhone 4 with the external, unprotected antenna failed to consider how big of a change that was and that it might cause issues. That's the only explanation that I can see.
Or they knew it sucked, but the bosses insisted the design was too neat not to use/we have to ship soon and can't make any big changes/we can't fit some other components otherwise/etc etc.
Failure at some upper management level seems more likely.
Sounds plausible. It's interesting if we're ever gonna know the truth. Probably when Jony Ive decides to leave and write a book. :P
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
And look what you did, I had to downvote your post, making me throw out my "no downvotes in this thread" rule. Bad @boomzilla!
Go have a nescafe, @kt_, your drunk.
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@boomzilla said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
And look what you did, I had to downvote your post, making me throw out my "no downvotes in this thread" rule. Bad @boomzilla!
Go have a nescafe, @kt_, your drunk.
Libel!
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@El_Heffe said in Re: Fuck Google:
I doubt it was a case of engineer incompetence, or not considering all the possible implications of a particular design.
It's also possible that they didn't take into account different people's skin conductivity (it varies quite a bit, depending on factors like how much you perspire through your hands) at the design stage, and happened to not pick it up at the test stage. This was a period when they were probably being very careful about how widely they tested, as there was lots of commercial interest from outside organisations (both media and competitors).
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Another factor was likely that their real-world tests were done with the phone in a case to make it look like a 3GS, so there was no contact with the antenna there either.
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@dkf I wonder if they had any left-handers try it. Because holding my phone (albeit an old Blackberry Curve which is a little different from most smartphones) as to use it one-handed with my right hand I can hold it comfortably and naturally with little or no contact on the bottom left corner, whereas holding it left-handed as I normally do my palm's usually in full contact with that area and it's awkward to hold it any other way.
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@CarrieVS I'm right-handed but hold the phone in my left when talking on it. Which proves not very much at all I guess. I also generally prefer to listen to phones with my left ear. And use my right one for things I actually like listening to. :p
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@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@boomzilla said in Re: Fuck Google:
Go have a
nescafereal coffee, @kt_, your drunk.FTFY
YMBNH, Nescafé is THE real coffee.
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@boomzilla said in Re: Fuck Google:
Go have a
nescafereal coffee, @kt_, your drunk.FTFY
YMBNH, Nescafé is THE real coffee.
Why do you think the was there ?
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@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@boomzilla said in Re: Fuck Google:
Go have a
nescafereal coffee, @kt_, your drunk.FTFY
YMBNH, Nescafé is THE real coffee.
Why do you think the was there ?
I thought you were drinking. ;)
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@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
I thought you were drinking. ;)
I drink this
Oh my god Joe, lookee here, this guy is a-drinking a cup of plain ol' hot java! He's a good boy, that one!
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
I drink this
Oh my god Joe, lookee here, this guy is a-drinking a cup of plain ol' hot java! He's a good boy, that one!
I didn't specify what I put in my coffee
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@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
I drink this
Oh my god Joe, lookee here, this guy is a-drinking a cup of plain ol' hot java! He's a good boy, that one!
I didn't specify what I put in my coffee
What's that smell? Hey Joe, shoot me with a unloaded gun right into my poor ol' heart, because it looks like this little lad has spiked his coffee, he ain't that good a lad it turns out. Tell me boy, are you old enough to drink?
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
Tell me boy, are you old enough to drink?
But I code in PHP, what choice do I have ?
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@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
Tell me boy, are you old enough to drink?
But I code in PHP, what choice do I have ?
Oops, my condolences. You've masochistised yourself to death.
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
Oops, my condolences. You've masochistised yourself to death.
Not yet, I avoided Win10
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@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
Oops, my condolences. You've masochistised yourself to death.
Not yet, I avoided Win10
But you're using Linux and Android, so you're as good as dead.
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
But you're using Linux and Android, so you're as good as dead.
Yeah, what a pain.
I leave for vacations, I turn my screens off.
When I come back, I turn them on and continue where I left.Linux is such a crappy OS !!!
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At the risk of re-railing this thread, the Pixel I bought second-hand actually got blacklisted. Fortunately, the seller was willing to call up Google Fi to un-blacklist my phone, and Google Fi did (eventually) remove the blacklisting. (Oddly enough, Google Fi needed to know who my current carrier was. I suppose un-blacklisting requests are done on a per-carrier basis, while blacklisting is a broadcast operation?)
The early troubleshooting was about "did you remove the old Google account from the phone?" (Yes, I did a factory reset. Old account should have been entirely obliterated. It wasn't. Yay for used phones and buggy automated theft-detection.)
Mind you, I didn't have any mobile connectivity for about three days, since I was communicating through the messaging system of the used-phone-sales site. I'd say "everything is awful!", get one reply hours later about what to try next, I can't try the next thing until hours later due to lack-of-mobile-access/being-gainfully-employed, and then it didn't work and I'd post on the site again. Asynchronous debugging sucks.
(I'm a long-time lurker. Signature Guy seriously confused me for a while after I first saw it.)
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@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
But you're using Linux and Android, so you're as good as dead.
Yeah, what a pain.
I leave for vacations, I turn my screens off.
When I come back, I turn them on and continue where I left.Linux is such a crappy OS !!!
It can be.
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@PotatoEngineer said in Re: Fuck Google:
The early troubleshooting was about "did you remove the old Google account from the phone?" (Yes, I did a factory reset. Old account should have been entirely obliterated. It wasn't. Yay for used phones and buggy automated theft-detection.)
You have to actually remove the account from the phone before factory resetting, IIRC.
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@LB_ And remove the apps that are device administrators (a kind of weird concept).
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@heterodox @LB_ That... makes a lot of sense. The phone ain't gonna call home during a factory reset. It would help if the phone did some kind of pre-reset step of stripping out accounts one-by-one, but then your factory reset process depends on internet connectivity, and that's just ridiculous.
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@PotatoEngineer well the point is to deter theft - obviously if you steal someone's phone you can't get past the lock screen to remove their account.
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@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
But you're using Linux and Android, so you're as good as dead.
Yeah, what a pain.
I leave for vacations, I turn my screens off.
When I come back, I turn them on and continue where I left.Linux is such a crappy OS !!!
IT'S BAD FOR GAMES!
Also, with you being a PHP coder I suppose you leave for vacation quite often. What about that energy bill. Why do you hate the environment?
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
Tell me boy, are you old enough to drink?
What I can tell you is that simulations indicate I can not hold my alcohol well at all....
Also, I'm apparently probably a happy drunk, but you wouldn't be able to tell from all the log spew...
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@PotatoEngineer said in Re: Fuck Google:
I'm a long-time lurker.
No fucking kidding!
How are you? Welcome (officially) to the forums!
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
IT'S BAD FOR GAMES!
Phsaw. I play multiple games of solitaire every day.
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@boomzilla said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
IT'S BAD FOR GAMES!
Phsaw. I play multiple games of solitaire every day.
What about THE GAME OF LIFE? Huh?
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
@boomzilla said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
IT'S BAD FOR GAMES!
Phsaw. I play multiple games of solitaire every day.
What about THE GAME OF LIFE? Huh?
$ aptitude search golly p golly - Game of Life simulator using hashlife algorithm p golly:i386 - Game of Life simulator using hashlife algorithm
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@Gąska said in Re: Fuck Google:
But seriously, who buys phone for looks?
iDiots, apparently.
It spends most of your life in your pocket, and when it's outside, half the time you have it covered with palm on one side and with cheek on the other, so no ones sees it anyway.
If by "half the time" you mean "approximately 1% of the time." I very rarely use my phone as a phone.
And when you're not calling but reading, you have one side still covered with palm, and the other contains sensitive information you don't want anyone to see.
That accounts for about 20% of the time it's out of my pocket. The rest of the time it's just sitting around plugged into the charger. :P
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@Maciejasjmj said in Re: Fuck Google:
Naysayer. So what if it doesn't visibly do anything, just look at how pure this code is!
Reminds me of John Hughes:
Such a catalogue of “advantages” is all very well, but one must not be surprised if outsiders don’t take it too seriously. It says a lot about what functional programming is not (it has no assignment, no side effects, no flow of control) but not much about what it is. The functional programmer sounds rather like a medieval monk, denying himself the pleasures of life in the hope that it will make him virtuous. To those more interested in material benefits, these “advantages” are not very convincing.
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@masonwheeler I bet that article was written no later than 2010.
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@Gąska The very first thing in the article, after the title and author info, is a note that begins, "This paper dates from 1984."
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>implying I read the article
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
@WernerCD said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
@Arantor said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ The official statement, sure. Except Jobs himself did say what amounted to that.
"Just avoid holding it in that way."
How else can one interpret that than 'you're holding it wrong'?
It won't work another way? Sure, they didn't say outright "we designed it badly", but that's something no company would say.
Seriously, they ended up distributing bumpers to iPhone 4 owners free of charge. What else would you want? That they treat them as bad as Google and they their phones?
So... how much Apple stock do you own?
They did what all companies do: Treated their customers like shit (Hey idiots, your holding your phone wrong - paraphrased in so many words)... and then back tracked when the shit storm rolled over their precious name brand.
You know you're just reiterating what others said, right?
So I'm not gonna respond to that. Unless you have something interesting to say, I'm gonna ignore you. Because fuck that, I'm not gonna respond to the same argument multiple times.
Shrug I read a short way in and then responded to your rampant fanboyism... glad I'm not the only one who saw it.
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
@TimeBandit said in Re: Fuck Google:
@boomzilla said in Re: Fuck Google:
Go have a
nescafereal coffee, @kt_, your drunk.FTFY
YMBNH, Nescafé is THE real coffee.
There is no real coffee; just the mad ramblings of Alhazred Abdul, the damned barrister.
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@masonwheeler said in Re: Fuck Google:
@Gąska said in Re: Fuck Google:
But seriously, who buys phone for looks?
iDiots, apparently.
Dunno, premium phones cost a lot of money partly because of the design. Why would you subsequently hide it away by putting it into a case?
Of course looks is not the most important factor when choosing a phone, but it can be a great perk!
It spends most of your life in your pocket, and when it's outside, half the time you have it covered with palm on one side and with cheek on the other, so no ones sees it anyway.
If by "half the time" you mean "approximately 1% of the time." I very rarely use my phone as a phone.
Ditto.
And when you're not calling but reading, you have one side still covered with palm, and the other contains sensitive information you don't want anyone to see.
That accounts for about 20% of the time it's out of my pocket. The rest of the time it's just sitting around plugged into the charger. :P
You responding to that sentence of @Gaska's post reminded me I didn't respond to this. It's not about other people seeing your phone looks nice. It's about you enjoying how it looks when you're using it. At least for me.
BTW, who buys clothes for looks?
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
It's about you enjoying how it looks when you're using it.
Do you choose your other equipment like that?
"Oh, my keyboard just looks absolutely beautiful, darling!"
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
It's about you enjoying how it looks when you're using it.
Do you choose your other equipment like that?
"Oh, my keyboard just looks absolutely beautiful, darling!"
Well, don't you? Would you buy a hideous keyboard? If you go for example for Das, it's a beautiful piece of equipment. If you go for Surface, ditto. The same goes for MacBooks.
The thing is, both of these qualities usually go hand in hand. Good devices tend to look awesome. It is a part of what draws people to them and companies do understand that.
Saying you don't take looks into account when buying sounds hypocritical to me. Especially if (like you) you go for the premium stuff.
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@Gąska said in Re: Fuck Google:
@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
BTW, who buys clothes for looks?
Not me.
So if the trousers look bad on you, you'd still buy them?
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@kt_ said in Re: Fuck Google:
Would you buy a hideous keyboard?
Oh, absolutely. Most of my keyboards are rather drab. Well, except the hideous rainbow lights one. Annoying AF.