Should downvotes be public?
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@pydsigner said in Should downvotes be public?:
To be fair, he's a pretty good moderator in the nucular™ sense: the stuff you stick in between the fuel to get the chain reaction going.
Just going to throw out here that this is... not how it is at all. The moderator is the stuff you stick between the fuel to slow an already active chain reaction.
(I know, I know, :funny_jokes:, but alas)
Nope, you are probably confusing it with reactor control rods [inb4 ]:
In nuclear engineering, a neutron moderator is a medium that reduces the speed of fast neutrons, thereby turning them into thermal neutrons capable of sustaining a nuclear chain reaction involving uranium-235 or a similar fissile nuclide.
You can sustain a chain reaction without a moderator such as in nuclear weapons, but at a higher critical mass.
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@LaoC I stand corrected, surrendered.
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@TimeBandit said in Should downvotes be public?:
only for all us working people.
So not those of us slacking off work by posting on here?
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@loopback0 keeping up with WTDWTF is work
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Late to the party, but I'll leave my 2 eurocents.
I vote for the downvotes to be public, just because often it can be a curious piece of information. As far as I'm concerned there wasn't ever an expectation of privacy, it was just an implementation quirk and you should rely on it keeping your downvotes private as much as you should rely on an undocumented API not burning down your house in the next version.
I haven't yet seen a single person saying they feel strongly about their downvotes remaining private, just a bunch of people saying they either don't care or they are totally fine with their downvotes, but imagine someone hypothetical/shy/on vacation etc. who can't speak for themselves and must therefore be sjw'ed for. This is borderline "offended on some potentially oppressed person's behalf" bullshit we love to ridicule.
And finally, I don't see anything wrong with @ben_lubar's actions. It looks to me he implemented and enabled a feature he believed was wanted by majority here.
Regarding the brief time it was available, and people screaming for disabling it urgently: even if someone got to see a downvote the voter didn't want to become visible, it's not like there's any tangible harm. No reason to act like Ben was not quick enough to disable something important.
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@obeselymorbid said in Should downvotes be public?:
I haven't yet seen a single person saying they feel strongly about their downvotes remaining private
I think @anotherusername was the only one to voice a negative opinion that wasn't based on what other people might think.
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@Jaloopa said in Should downvotes be public?:
I think @anotherusername was the only one to voice a negative opinion that wasn't based on what other people might think.
@anotherusername said in Should downvotes be public?:
I already made my opinion pretty clear in the other thread: I don't think it's a good idea.
But, for the record, I'd like to say that I object to showing downvotes on a general basis, not because I want(ed) to keep mine "a secret".
Okay, that wasn't based on caring about potential revealing of someone's downvotes. It's an opinion that making downvotes visible is not a good idea and I can respect that. That's a better argument than the one based on hypothetical what if there are some people who would not want their downvotes visible.
I was looking for someone saying "I don't want my downvotes to be visible" though and I still haven't found one.
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@RaceProUK said in YAWTC (Yet Another Windows Ten Complaint):
The issue I find is mostly programs that rely on the undocumented features of Windows, including quirks and bugs. The whole reason those undocumented things are undocumented is because they can change between Windows versions, and relying on them is like relying on a climbing harness made of liquorice. Sure, you can build one, but it will break.
The lesson: stick with documented features. Why? Because they're documented.
I was about to say I'd like to see that principle applied to downvotes when I noticed …
@obeselymorbid said in Should downvotes be public?:
I vote for the downvotes to be public, just because often it can be a curious piece of information. As far as I'm concerned there wasn't ever an expectation of privacy, it was just an implementation quirk and you should rely on it keeping your downvotes private as much as you should rely on an undocumented API not burning down your house in the next version.
… you did already. Seconded.
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@obeselymorbid said in Should downvotes be public?:
I was looking for someone saying "I don't want my downvotes to be visible" though and I still haven't found one.
I believe @masonwheeler said that.
I'm told he has a large amount of downvotes, too...
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Delete all past downvotes. Make downvotes visible. Profit.
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said in Should downvotes be public?:
I believe @masonwheeler said that.
I did say that, and I stand by it. Making this change would make things worse, not better.
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Revealing private information is a shitty thing, and it doesn't matter if you think it's important or not. It's someone else privacy, and you don't mess with that.
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Did the mods reach any conclusion yet? Because I think anything would be better than the status quo.
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@asdf said in Should downvotes be public?:
anything would be better than the status quo
especially since rick parfitt died
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@flabdablet said in Should downvotes be public?:
@asdf said in Should downvotes be public?:
anything would be better than the status quo
especially since rick parfitt died
Paging @groaner.
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@obeselymorbid said in Should downvotes be public?:
I haven't yet seen a single person saying they feel strongly about their downvotes remaining private, just a bunch of people saying they either don't care or they are totally fine with their downvotes, but imagine someone hypothetical/shy/on vacation etc. who can't speak for themselves and must therefore be sjw'ed for. This is borderline "offended on some potentially oppressed person's behalf" bullshit we love to ridicule.
I feel strongly that all downvotes should remain private. But that's because I think showing who downvoted is a bad idea in genera. Knowing who downvoted will just encourage further drama about downvotes, exactly like we've seen already but now it'll be amplified since people will now know for sure who downvoted them.
That said, if they were made public, I wouldn't try to go back to remove all the downvotes I've given, or rage about the fact that once-private information was made public. I'd just wait for the inevitable drama and tell you all that I told you so.
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@anotherusername said in Should downvotes be public?:
Knowing who downvoted will just encourage further drama
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@flabdablet we have plenty of entertaining characters already. We don't need to encourage the drama about downvotes.
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@anotherusername said in Should downvotes be public?:
We don't need to encourage the drama about downvotes.
So just remove the ability to downvote. Now people who disagree will have to reply. Everyone wins, case closed.
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@flabdablet said in Should downvotes be public?:
@asdf said in Should downvotes be public?:
Now people who disagree will have to reply.
No.
Downvoted to prove your point.
Well, it would force them to either reply properly or not share their knee-jerk reactions at all. Both is desirable if you ask me.
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@asdf said in Should downvotes be public?:
@flabdablet said in Should downvotes be public?:
@asdf said in Should downvotes be public?:
Now people who disagree will have to reply.
No.
Downvoted to prove your point.
Well, it would force them to either reply properly or not share their knee-jerk reactions at all. Both is desirable if you ask me.
And you replied.
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@anotherusername said in Should downvotes be public?:
@flabdablet we have plenty of entertaining characters already. We don't need to encourage the drama about downvotes.
I'm particularly particular about the pretty character "P".
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@ben_lubar still shows no respect for the privacy in downvotes, and at this point if it was a democracy I would vote for him to step down
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@groo That was kind of a dick move, yes.
Are you concerned about downvotes becoming public? What would be your reaction if we were to make them so? Now's the best time to weigh in.
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If it's going to be a thing, can we CSS the number to be more easily clickable, especially on mobile?
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@groo said in Should downvotes be public?:
@ben_lubar still shows no respect for the privacy in downvotes
This topic exists and you still expect that?
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@Yamikuronue said in Should downvotes be public?:
That was kind of a dick move, yes.
Dick move on WTDWTF. Film at 11.
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@loopback0 said in Should downvotes be public?:
@Yamikuronue said in Should downvotes be public?:
That was kind of a dick move, yes.
Dick move on WTDWTF. Film at 11.
Um, actually, the NSFW thread is
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Is there any update on this? The recent downvotes in the Funny Stuff Thread are pissing me off (which was probably their intention).
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@asdf No, I downvoted you there because complaining about votes annoy me. And downvoted @karla for being off-topic in the funny stuff thread.
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@wharrgarbl said in Should downvotes be public?:
@asdf No, I downvoted you there because complaining about votes annoy me. And downvoted @karla for being off-topic in the funny stuff thread.
And I downvoted you before you could delete that. Ha. Ha.
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@wharrgarbl said in Should downvotes be public?:
No, I downvoted you there because complaining about votes annoy me.
I didn't even complain, and it wasn't only you, I got multiple downvotes on multiple posts.
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Ben, if you make these public I will track the vote balance thread and hunt down anyone who upsets the balances
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@bb36e How would you know? Whatever (up/down)vote you saw may have restored balance when it was given but then someone else took away an existing (down/up)vote and re-unbalanced it.
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@hungrier A mob with pitchforks isn't concerned with details like this !
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@TimeBandit said in Should downvotes be public?:
A mob with pitchforks isn't concerned with details like this !
I bought a new pitchfork yesterday. I was planning on using it for mulch, but I am prepared if we need to lynch someone.