The Official Status Thread
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: I wrote a shell command and now I will start running it and go to bed.
It all fits on one line!
Ya know more than half of that would be gone if you'd have
cd
'd into the directory, right? :/Or, failing that, setting a nice small environment variable...
I'm using files from one directory with a command in another and an argument that is another other directory and OH SHIT I MISSPELLED sv_cheats ABORT ABORT ABORT
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: All reality checks are currently passing!
Unless there's a fault in the reality check subsystem that mis-reports unreal as reality.
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: All reality checks are currently passing!
Unless there's a fault in the reality check subsystem that mis-reports unreal as reality.
Diagnostics for Generic System Fault Checker System checks out OK. Also Diagnostics and Repair for Generic Diagnostics Tool reports signature is valid. Additionally, Overseer for Low-Level System Components (a conversely High-Level component) reports the Diagnostics and Repair for....
You know what, everything is green across the board.
Edit: However, there is a communications fault on 14 non-critical modular components, but that doesn't raise any red flags (just a few yellow ones, ick)
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
You know what, everything is green across the board.
You know what else is green? A tortoise. There's one in the desert, and you just flipped it on it's back. It can't turn back over on it's own. Why aren't you helping it?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
I just don't use it because the hinge is busted
that's something, mine 's hinges suddenly completely seized up a year ago, obliterating the puny plastic screw plugs that held the screen's frame
And (if I knew what to do with the hinges) I'd be replacing the attaching points with a wedge of wood or something, but apparently the bottom plastics had become brittle enough to not survive another routine disassembly (these laptops have poor thermal flow and they quickly run hot from any kind of cpu load (yet somehow the hottest point was around right Alt, go figure) ) So the electronics held strong, but I can't operate them without a new shell, so busted it was, the SSD found a new, less dated home, and I'm left wondering what to do with the parts
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
You know what, everything is green across the board.
You know what else is green? A tortoise. There's one in the desert, and you just flipped it on it's back. It can't turn back over on it's own. Why aren't you helping it?
Depends on your definition of "helping".
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
You know what, everything is green across the board.
You know what else is green? A tortoise. There's one in the desert, and you just flipped it on it's back. It can't turn back over on it's own. Why aren't you helping it?
And I thought you'd add reference to LOGO.
You know, in late 80s the monochrome screen is green and it fits the theme. :P
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Status: build broken.
Turns out the major-minor-build-revision versioning scheme is all fine and dandy until the build number hits 65535...
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@Maciejasjmj
65534 builds is enough for anyone.
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@Maciejasjmj So I shouldn't use 1.0.YYMMDD for my nightlies?
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@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
So where are we on that plan to sell extra downvotes? I might be able to squeeze a few thousand into this year's budget to try to counteract the horror.
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@PleegWat said in The Official Status Thread:
@Maciejasjmj So I shouldn't use 1.0.YYMMDD for my nightlies?
Depends on what you're versioning, I guess. As far as I know Nuget, VSTS etc. themselves deal with version numbers like 1.0.20161230.1 just fine, but a DLL version (the thing you get in the DLL properties file) must fit in four 16-bit words.
Temporary numbering scheme is major-minor-high word-low word, and I guess we'll try to figure out something saner later. The other team uses YYYY.MM.DD.rev, which I guess could also work, but it just looks iffy to have v2016 of a library...
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@Maciejasjmj said in The Official Status Thread:
Turns out the major-minor-build-revision versioning scheme is all fine and dandy until the build number hits 65535...
The evil monster known as "let's save a couple bytes of memory here" claims another victim.
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@anonymous234 I did some benchmarking at some point, and found out on modern 64-bit machines, 64-bit arithmetic is significantly faster than 32-bit arithmetic. Though I don't recall how my benchmark worked - probably summing subsequent digits, but may also have been squares thereof.
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@PleegWat said in The Official Status Thread:
and found out on modern 64-bit machines, 64-bit arithmetic is significantly faster than 32-bit arithmetic
I'm guessing 32-bit arithmetic (and smaller) is generally implemented as "do 64-bit arithmetic then throw away half the result".
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@anonymous234 said in The Official Status Thread:
do 64-bit arithmetic then throw away half the result
Probably not in the CPU hardware, because there are operations where the upper bits would affect the lower bits of the result. If the ALU only has a 64-bit data path, you'd have to zero out or sign extend the upper bits on the way in (then throw them away on the way out), but this shouldn't be any slower. The slowness probably occurs when storing the result back to a variable in memory, since this would most likely require a read-modify-write cycle, rather than a simple write, to store the partial-word data.
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@HardwareGeek Could be. I don't think I looked at the assembly code. Not that I'm any good at reading x86 assembly.
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@PleegWat said in The Official Status Thread:
@HardwareGeek Could be. I don't think I looked at the assembly code. Not that I'm any good at reading x86 assembly.
All I see is
JMP 0xe8828722
,ADDA 19
,LD 0x99018e8b
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@Tsaukpaetra You don't see the woman in the red dress?
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@RaceProUK said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra You don't see the woman in the red dress?
That was a woman? Oh. Well good on them!
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@RaceProUK said in The Official Status Thread:
"I have co͝rru̴pt͜e͘d ͟yòur̶ ̧s͂ͧͭ͞p͛̔͌ͮr̋̐͑͌͒ͥè̓ͫ̓̄̋a͒͗̑ͥ̂̀͐d͡s̐h̸ͩ̏͛̈́̚ē͜eͤ̓̌ͩ̉͌̋t̡ͤ͑.͟ ͥ̽͛͗P̿̾͑ͪ̒̀r̉̋͌̆̇aͨ̈͂̆͐̐̂y̵ ̏̄́̿̋I̢͇̯͆͐̎ͧͭͦ ̜̺̇ͫd̵͎̳̱̿̊̿̃̓͌̀̀͞ͅơ̢̫̰̬̖͆ͭͬͩͥ̽ ̠̗͍͋͑n̴̡̝̙͇̠̤̮̜ͩ̏̍̓ͨ́oͥ̓̉̊͏͕̞͠ͅt̶̼̳̳̲̳ͦ́̊̕ ̥̫̺̜͖ͤ̓̔͐͒̽ͬ͞ͅc̸̨̺̪̠̻̈̂ͭͪ͑̇ͩͧǒ̮͙͇͉̙̼͚ͥ̎͒r̵̲̦͎̟̍ͣͫ͡r̶͚̬̉ͯ̄̇͠u̜̥͖̭ͬ͂̑̉̅p͚̣ͤ̆̚͢ţͣͩ̄̐͏̣̪̘͉̣͔̦̰̮ ̳͔̹̼̣̙͇͚̋̐ͯ̌͐̚i̴̶̙̮͙̤̯̳͚̬̅͆t̫͙͍͍̯͓͋ͦ̃ͤ̋̀̅̚͟ͅ ̶͓̰ͬ̊̏̓̅̕f̣͍̻̲̱̫̗̭͕ͤ͂ͨ̍̀̍ͬ̏ͪ͘͞ȕ̵̧̡̱̙̙̦͔ͬ͒̈́͑̆̋̽̾̓̅͗ͩ̾͐ͬ͂̌̊͠͡ŗ̸̵̵̰͖̹̥͍̲̪̥͎̳̈́͗͐̾̔̿ͬ̃̈ͣ̔̓ͬ̚̕t̸̹̟̟͇̝͎͚͔̎ͩ̅ͫ͘͘h̴̨̢̥̤͙̘̺̹ͨͤ͒ͭ̆ͮ́͒̃͆̿ͅěͣ̉̏̉̇̽͑ͪ҉̡̧̲̪̯̥͉̟͔ŗ̷̯̠͇̲͉̼̞̯̟̖̩̼͇̤̙̏͌͐̀̆ͩ̈ͨͫ̇͒ͯ͐ͪͯ̚͟ͅ.͐ͩͯ͌̐ͭ̄̔͂̓̍̾̇̃͛͏̴̥̥͙͇̟͎̘̰̪̼̺͙̞̙͓̕"̡̳͓͚͉́̌͛͛͆̃͞
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Status: apparently my cat would rather literally starve to death than eat food laced with the antibiotic he needs to survive
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@anonymous234 said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: apparently my cat would rather literally starve to death than eat food laced with the antibiotic he needs to survive
Well due, it's not the same! Animals are very cautious to changes in their food supply...
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Status: OMG people in another forum thread (not this forum) are measuring their read-it-later-peen. .
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@anonymous234 I used to force feed my mum's cat with the worming tablets ... you are just going to get a lot of scratches on your arms. It not very nice. The other thing you can do if you are normally feeding them cat food, is to give them something that they go mad for and will ignore the other smell of the antibiotics ... e.g. give it proper Tuna ... but you might be find it difficult to feed them anything afterwards.
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@Tsaukpaetra Well, if he doesn't eat his plate by tomorrow, I'm going to have to literally restrain him while someone else shoves it down his throat and holds the mouth closed until he's swallowed.
...every day for 2 weeks...
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@anonymous234
That's the way ... roll the shitty clawed bastards in a towel open the mouth and insert the pill with a pincer or a pair of pliers. THEY WILL GET THAT DAMN PILL even if it means I have to take antibiotics afterwards because the scratches and bites got infected.
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Status: WTF why does this take so long when working on an Azure database?!?
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@Tsaukpaetra It probably had to map all the models to objects and in SQL Server that is a lot of things.
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra It probably had to map all the models to objects and in SQL Server that is a lot of things.
What models? This is just off the SQL Server Object Explorer, editing a Table object. I could grab the table definition by hand faster than this thing is loading.
Of course, I closed that window/tab and tried again, and this entirely locked up Visual Studio (probably because connection pool exhaustion or something).
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@Tsaukpaetra The table object probably has a reference to the master database and other things. You can't be this naive about working with a Microsoft SQL Server product. I've been doing it for about 12 years now and it always been like this.
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra The table object probably has a reference to the master database and other things. You can't be this naive about working with a Microsoft SQL Server product. I've been doing it for about 12 years now and it always been like this.
... What has that to do with "mapping models"?
SQL Server Management Studio has NEVER had to map ALL objects in the database to display the designer.
Only if said table has relationships (or you ask it to add in a foreign key) does it need to ask for other objects...Unless I have a different version from yours and mine isn't even able to query sys.tables in an efficient manner.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
But what if those models depend on other models. Look just expect it to be a bit slow over the network if you are doing the designer stuff because the last time I remember than working faster on anything other than a local network was in SQL 2000 days.
This stuff isn't fast even locally. Comon man you know what the deal is when working with MS stuff it works well but it takes a bit patience. You also have to remember that the connection to that database requires SQL Management server converting SQL commands to Objects to Stuff to display and back ... into WPF which isn't that fast even on Windows 10 and I have an i7 machine (3.5ghz) and 32gbh of ram and a fast (really fast SSD OS drive).
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
This stuff isn't fast even locally.
To me, fast is loading the window in question in about 10 seconds. Blazing would be within two. This has been stuck for five minutes.
@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
when working with MS stuff it works well but it takes a bit patience.
Not like this. This is ridiculous.
FFS, even Intellisense inside a query window doesn't take this long...
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@Tsaukpaetra I quite frequently run into performance issues with the Azure Portal, so this doesn't surprise me.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Not like this. This is ridiculous.
FFS, even Intellisense inside a query window doesn't take this long...Have you done any basic network diagnostics. SQL Server Visual Tools don't tend to be that fast even locally is what I am saying. I am not trying to be a nob. That is just my experience.
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@RaceProUK My issues are phoning my boss up this week on a new project "Can I have this permission" ... I bought him a few beers because I felt like an annoying cunt even though I was just doing my job.
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Not like this. This is ridiculous.
FFS, even Intellisense inside a query window doesn't take this long...Have you done any basic network diagnostics. SQL Server Visual Tools don't tend to be that fast even locally is what I am saying. I am not trying to be a nob. That is just my experience.
Yeah, my network is fine. Connection to the Azure DB is somewhat slow, but I think Visual Studio is to blame here.
The equivalent commands the designer would need (data wise) to fill the designer all complete in seconds, it's the designer that's borked.
Or, rather, whatever is supposed to be the middleman between the database connection and the SSDT suite visual studio is hosting.
I frequently run into the problem where the SQL Server Object Explorer itself just stops working entirely, localdb file, local SQL Server, or Azure be damned.
Status: About ready to install SSMS 2012 just so I can have a different Visual Studio shell that's not this....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: About ready to install SSMS 2012 just so I can have a different Visual Studio shell that's not this....
As Arnie himself says I would recommend
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: About ready to install SSMS 2012 just so I can have a different Visual Studio shell that's not this....
As Arnie himself says I would recommend
At the very least it would detach the troubleshooting from Visual Studio 2015 being dumb.
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Status: Increasing numbers of neighbours blowing up their money before it's legally allowed. I'm OK with the legal window of 31/12 22:00 till 1/1 07:00, but the fact people start around Christmas when you aren't even legally allowed to own the stuff annoys me.
I'll be glad when it's Monday and it'll be over.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
At the very least it would detach the troubleshooting from Visual Studio 2015 being dumb.
VS and SSMS has always been VS, so probably won't help much.
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
At the very least it would detach the troubleshooting from Visual Studio 2015 being dumb.
VS and SSMS has always been VS, so probably won't help much.
Well, only starting in 2012 did SSMS become integrated with Visual Studio Shell itself, before then it was a separate program.
And I think it probably will, as it won't be tied to the source control (which tries to finger itself into every possible file operation, including autorecover and temp files ). I think Perforce is one of the major sources of problems with my current install of Visual Studio 2015...
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@Tsaukpaetra Perforce is utter garbage so ...
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@PleegWat said in The Official Status Thread:
Increasing numbers of neighbours blowing up their money before it's legally allowed. I'm OK with the legal window of 31/12 22:00 till 1/1 07:00, but the fact people start around Christmas when you aren't even legally allowed to own the stuff annoys me.
You wouldn't like this town; there's fireworks set off most weekends, and the police turn a blind eye for the most part (as it's a lot better than gunfire).
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra Perforce is utter garbage so ...
Yeah, not my choice. I'm just stuck with it.
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You know, if it were up to me, I'd literally lock the damn cat in a room and not let it out until he ate his food (or 48 hours passed).
But in a house with my mother, my father, and my sister around, that approach is out of the question.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: About ready to install SSMS 2012 just so I can have a different Visual Studio shell that's not this....
Installed SSMS 2016 instead.
The designer popped up in 12 seconds. Not the most quick, but it beats five minutes for sure...
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Status: The last work day of 2016 is finally over.
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