New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/long-people-live-study-suggests-limit-42593501
Just how long can people live? New research suggests there may be a limit to our life span
Oh my god! That is COMPLETELY NEW INFORMATION!
*Mind = blown*
The record for the world's oldest person is 122 years
Wow, that's pretty fucking old. My neighbour had a dog that lived until it was 19 years old...
The researchers calculated the odds of someone reaching 125 years in a given year are less than 1 in 10,000. They think the human life span more likely maxes out at 115 years.
Ummm
The record for the world's oldest person is 122 years
They think the human life span more likely maxes out at 115 yearsThe record for the world's oldest person is 122 years
They think the human life span more likely maxes out at 115 yearsThe record for the world's oldest person is 122 years
They think the human life span more likely maxes out at 115 yearsThat's top quality "journalism" right there...
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@DoctorJones said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Just how long can people live? New research suggests there may be a limit to our life span
Oh my god! That is COMPLETELY NEW INFORMATION!
Well I've read numerous hectoring busybodies tell me that giving up smoking/alcohol/any other type of fun would reduce the risk of my dying...
.. of whatever it is they wish I'd stop doing may cause, of course, but they tend to leave that bit out. Too busy minding my business, instead of their own.
Of course, you don't actually live forever if you stop doing whatever they're busybodying into your life about. It'll simply feel like it through utter, utter boredom.
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People downvote the weirdest stuff...
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@xaade said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
People downvote the weirdest stuff...
I'm pretty sure at least 10% of all downvotes are accidental, because nude sucks on mobile.
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@xaade said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
People downvote the weirdest stuff...
Indeed. And it wasn't the usual suspect.
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@PJH said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
And it wasn't the usual suspect.
Is there a way to see who downvoted you? I can't seem to find a way, is it an admin only feature?
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@DoctorJones said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
admin only feature?
Yup. Clicking the number between the arrows produces:
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@PJH heh
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@PJH said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Oddly enough, I'm quite OK with not showing those.
Filed under: People who don't use animated GIFs as avatars live longer than those who do.
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@DoctorJones said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
The researchers calculated the odds of someone reaching 125 years in a given year are less than 1 in 10,000.
So we have 740,000 people reaching 125 years of age every year?
@DoctorJones said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
They think the human life span more likely maxes out at 115 years
In general, yes, this is about the maximum age a human being can live presently. This is about how long it takes for our telomeres to be completely destroyed, and for our body's protein-encoding DNA to begin degrading every time cells divide.
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@Fox said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@DoctorJones said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
The researchers calculated the odds of someone reaching 125 years in a given year are less than 1 in 10,000.
So we have 740,000 people reaching 125 years of age every year?
It's possible that what they meant is that the odds of anyone reaching 125 years in a given year are less than 1 in 10,000. (As in, one out of every 10,000 years will see a new 125-year-old in the world.)
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@masonwheeler said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@Fox said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@DoctorJones said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
The researchers calculated the odds of someone reaching 125 years in a given year are less than 1 in 10,000.
So we have 740,000 people reaching 125 years of age every year?
It's possible that what they meant is that the odds of anyone reaching 125 years in a given year are less than 1 in 10,000. (As in, one out of every 10,000 years will see a new 125-year-old in the world.)
I know, but I wanted to be a smartass about pointing out how terrible of a job this article does of explaining that.
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@Fox said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
I know, but I wanted to be a smartass about pointing out how terrible of a job this article does of explaining that.
Eh...I think it was your interpretation.
The researchers calculated the odds of someone reaching 125 years in a given year are less than 1 in 10,000.
So, pick a year. Roll your 1d10,000 and if you roll a natural 10,000 then someone lived 125 years. I don't see how that is likely to come out to 700K+ 125 year olds.
Filed Under: Math is hard
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@PJH said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@DoctorJones said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
admin only feature?
Yup. Clicking the number between the arrows produces:
Is this something that can be enabled to be shown for all users?
Personally, I want to know who downvotes me and I want people who I downvote to know who I am.
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Is this something that can be enabled to be shown for all users?
Not without code changes.
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@PJH said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Of course, you don't actually live forever if you stop doing whatever they're busybodying into your life about. It'll simply feel like it through utter, utter boredom.
Joseph Heller said:
Dunbar was lying motionless on his back again with his eyes staring up at the ceiling like a doll's. He was working hard at increasing his life span. He did it by cultivating boredom. Dunbar was working so hard at increasing his life span that Yossarian thought he was dead.
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The researchers calculated the odds of someone reaching 125 years in a given year are less than 1 in 10,000.
Each individual person rolls 1d>10000 and the ones that get natural 10000s turn 125 that year.
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@error said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@PJH said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Of course, you don't actually live forever if you stop doing whatever they're busybodying into your life about. It'll simply feel like it through utter, utter boredom.
Joseph Heller said:
Dunbar was lying motionless on his back again with his eyes staring up at the ceiling like a doll's. He was working hard at increasing his life span. He did it by cultivating boredom. Dunbar was working so hard at increasing his life span that Yossarian thought he was dead.
Dunbar loved shooting skeet because he hated every minute of it and the time passed so slowly. He had figured out that a single hour on the skeet-shooting range with people like Havermeyer and Appleby could be worth as much as eleven-times-seventeen years.
“I think you’re crazy,” was the way Clevinger had responded to Dunbar’s discovery.
“Who wants to know?” Dunbar answered.
“I mean it,” Clevinger insisted.
“Who cares?” Dunbar answered.
“I really do. I’ll even go as far as to concede that life seems longer i—“
“—is longer i—“
“—is longer—IS longer? All right, is longer if it’s filled with periods of boredom and discomfort, b—“
“Guess how fast?” Dunbar said suddenly.
“Huh?”
“They go,” Dunbar explained.
“Who?”
“Years.”
“Years?”
“Years,” said Dunbar. “Years, years, years.”
“Do you know how long a year takes when it’s going away?” Dunbar asked Clevinger. “This long.” He snapped his fingers. “A second ago you were stepping into college with your lungs full of fresh air. Today you’re an old man.”
“Old?” asked Clevinger with surprise. “What are you talking about?”
“Old.”
“I’m not old.”
“You’re inches away from death every time you go on a mission. How much older can you be at your age? A half minute before that you were stepping into high school, and an unhooked brassiere was as close as you ever hoped to get to Paradise. Only a fifth of a second before that you were a small kid with a ten-week summer vacation that lasted a hundred thousand years and still ended too soon. Zip! They go rocketing by so fast. How the hell else are you ever going to slow time down?” Dunbar was almost angry when he finished.
“Well, maybe it is true,” Clevinger conceded unwillingly in a subdued tone. Maybe a long life does have to be filled with many unpleasant conditions if it’s to seem long. But in that event, who wants one?”
“I do,” Dunbar told him.
“Why?” Clevinger asked.
“What else is there?
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@ben_lubar said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Each individual person rolls 1d>10000 and the ones that get natural 10000s turn 125 that year.
Depends on how you read "someone". Is it the check applied for every each person in isolation or once for all people?
Why can't I ever spell
rethoricalrhetorical correctly on my first try?
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I think the original headline gets the point across a little better:
http://www.einstein.yu.edu/news/releases/1200/maximum-human-lifespan-has-already-been-reached-einstein-researchers-conclude/Basically "no matter how good medicine gets, we're not going to live past 115 on average until we start tweaking our DNA"
Also:
Finally, the researchers calculated that the probability in a given year of seeing one person live to 125 anywhere in the world is less than 1 in 10,000.
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I liked the BBC headline best.
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@anonymous234 said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Basically "no matter how good medicine gets, we're not going to live past 115 on average until we start tweaking our DNA"
I find it slightly amusing how similar their findings are to what was written in Genesis thousands of years ago...
Genesis 6:3 (NIV)
Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
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@anotherusername but didn't Noah live to like 800?
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@Jaloopa yes. Gen 6:3 is part of the passage where God said he was sending the flood. Noah and many of the other people identified who lived before the flood and whose ages were given lived 900+ years; only Noah and his immediate family were spared from the flood, and after the flood, the human lifespan pretty quickly started to trend downward.
(I can't vouch for the exactness of the numbers given in the chart, but it should at least adequately demonstrate the trend of which I'm referring.)
Methuselah had the longest reported lifespan, at 969 years, and it's thought that the flood happened right after his death; coincidentally, his name can be interpreted to mean "his death shall bring judgement".
Enoch actually had an unusually short lifespan, among all the people who lived prior to the flood (as you might notice), because God took him. Opinions vary on whether this means he actually died, or whether God took him to heaven without experiencing death.
Genesis 5:23-24 (NIV)
Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
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@ben_lubar said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Each individual person rolls 1d>10000 and the ones that get natural 10000s turn 125 that year.
Which was very surprising when Little Suzy rolled her nat 10,000 at age 2.
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@Fox said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
In general, yes, this is about the maximum age a human being can live presently. This is about how long it takes for our telomeres to be completely destroyed, and for our body's protein-encoding DNA to begin degrading every time cells divide.
It's not clear yet whether telomeres shortening are the cause for aging or merely a sign of aging.
You're assuming a causal relation where science hasn't yet proven (or disproven) any.
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@Rhywden I believe the current consensus is that short telomeres are probably a cause of ageing, but it's far from settled yet
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@Jaloopa said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@Rhywden I believe the current consensus is that short telomeres are probably a cause of ageing, but it's far from settled yet
Indeed. For instance, there's this: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2013/09/108886/lifestyle-changes-may-lengthen-telomeres-measure-cell-aging
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@anotherusername said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@anonymous234 said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Basically "no matter how good medicine gets, we're not going to live past 115 on average until we start tweaking our DNA"
I find it slightly amusing how similar their findings are to what was written in Genesis thousands of years ago...
Genesis 6:3 (NIV)
Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”I find it slightly amusing that you'd know that.
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@Yamikuronue said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@ben_lubar said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Each individual person rolls 1d>10000 and the ones that get natural 10000s turn 125 that year.
Which was very surprising when Little Suzy rolled her nat 10,000 at age 2.
Man, Progeria is a bitch.
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@asdf said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@xaade said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
People downvote the weirdest stuff...
I'm pretty sure at least 10% of all downvotes are accidental, because nude sucks on mobile.
I guess that's the part where I apologize for all the spurious notifications I send on mobile.
"Heh, wonder who upvoted that post. Aw, shit, no, don't upvote... Nonono, don't downvote it either... ah, there we go. Now to clear the downvote... fuck!"
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@kt_ said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@anotherusername said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@anonymous234 said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
Basically "no matter how good medicine gets, we're not going to live past 115 on average until we start tweaking our DNA"
I find it slightly amusing how similar their findings are to what was written in Genesis thousands of years ago...
Genesis 6:3 (NIV)
Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”I find it slightly amusing that you'd know that.
Not only did Moses emerge with the 10C from Mt. Sinai, he also emerged with statistics. If you zoom in enough to this curve, you can see the tiny Moses holding the tablets.
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@Sumireko said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
you can see the tiny Moses holding the tablets
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@PJH said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@DoctorJones said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
admin only feature?
Yup. Clicking the number between the arrows produces:
But why admin only
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@Sumireko Is that line going up at ±4𝜎?
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@PleegWat ah, the joys of using smoothed lines in your charts...
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@dkf said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@Sumireko said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
you can see the tiny Moses holding the tablets
We're all made of Adams, I learned this in science class.
@PleegWat said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@Sumireko Is that line going up at ±4𝜎?
No, it keeps going down, as the standard deviation curve is technically infinite.
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@Sumireko ITYM eternal.
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@Sumireko said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
No, it keeps going down, as the standard deviation curve is technically infinite.
The standard deviation curve does. I'm throwing doubt on that graph however.
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@Lorne-Kates I don't see a cycle, I see a line with a beginning and an end, that they happen to have curved around.
I guess that's the joke, "end" is correlated with "beginning" given "intermediate step" assuming "intermediate step" under "intermediate step" conditions ---------> "end" causes "beginning".
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@anotherusername said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
I see a line with a beginning and an end
Omitted: Your grandma tells you, the person who did the research, what your own research means. You are then spurred to do further research to prove it's not like that, grandma!
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@Yamikuronue well, they didn't draw an arrow on the chart between them, so how was I to connect those?
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@Yamikuronue said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@anotherusername said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
I see a line with a beginning and an end
Omitted: Your grandma tells you, the person who did the research, what your own research means. You are then spurred to do further research to prove it's not like that, grandma!
While the idea of a grandma telling you repeatedly what your research means and repeatedly driving you to obtain funding for more research just to prove her wrong is totally believable given some of the shit that gets funded and some of the grandmas out there, it's not really necessary that the person who did the original research be the one to be told by their grandma that tin foil hats ward off A. It just needs to be someone capable of doing further research.
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@anotherusername said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@Yamikuronue well, they didn't draw an arrow on the chart between them, so how was I to connect those?
You need to keep in mind where this is coming from.
@Lorne-Kates said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
phdcomics
It's assumed that you already know at least 90% of what you need to know to understand the infographic. If you don't, you're obviously too stupid to matter.
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@Fox said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
phd
Pointy-Haired Dickhead?
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@anotherusername said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
@Fox said in New Study Suggests There's a Limit To How Long People Can Live:
phd
Pointy-Haired Dickhead?