WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@Tsaukpaetra So maybe the problem is not in the RAM module? In which case I'd blame the memory controller.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra So maybe the problem is not in the RAM module? In which case I'd blame the memory controller.
Yes, a problem that occurs in the memory controller solely when using Windows 11?
Some make a Patrick meme for me...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Well, they tell you the problem (hardware errors) and the solution (contact your hardware manufacturer). What else do you expect ?
How did you manage to find a 1 GB DDR4 module? I thought they didn't come that small.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Well, they tell you the problem (hardware errors) and the solution (contact your hardware manufacturer). What else do you expect ?
How did you manage to find a 1 GB DDR4 module? I thought they didn't come that small.
Doesn't it say it's 8Gb in the screenshot?
ETA: Oh, bits. Duh.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Well, they tell you the problem (hardware errors) and the solution (contact your hardware manufacturer). What else do you expect ?
How did you manage to find a 1 GB DDR4 module? I thought they didn't come that small.
Don't underestimate my power!
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status Finally decided to poke around at Win11. Currently installing into a VM. Starting with Win10-21H1 since I have a Win10 key.
I forgot they shove the 'Create a PIN' now - fuck you if it you don't - down your throat. It just booted, time to turn that shit off.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Finally decided to poke around at Win11.
I suggest a very long and very pointy stick.
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One of my collages laptop failed last week, she got a replacement ... it's windows 11
Neither the company vpn app nor any of the software we make can run on it ... great jorb!
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
One of my collages laptop failed last week
Maybe next time she'll get one whole laptop, instead of gluing bits from different laptops together.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
status Finally decided to poke around at Win11. Currently installing into a VM. Starting with Win10-21H1 since I have a Win10 key.
I forgot they shove the 'Create a PIN' now - fuck you if it you don't - down your throat. It just booted, time to turn that shit off.
Yup, they still haven't fixed the task bar.
And evidently Cmd is now evil. There's no longer an option to replace powershell with that in the right-click menu on the Start icon. (And it's now called Windows Terminal)
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@dcon but it’s customisable now so that makes everything much more betterer. Obviously.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon but it’s customisable now so that makes everything much more betterer. Obviously.
First thing I did there: get the fuck back over to the left. Centering in the Start icon fucks with muscle memory even more than forcing the task bar from left to bottom.
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@dcon I specifically meant Terminal.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And evidently Cmd is now evil. There's no longer an option to replace powershell with that in the right-click menu on the Start icon. (And it's now called Windows Terminal)
IIRC, Windows Terminal is neither Cmd nor Powershell. It's a new console host, or whatever they call it, which is the thing Cmd and Powershell use underneath, or.. are built on top of, yet run under?
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@Zecc Guess I'll have to look closer. I just clicked it and saw PS. With a prompt and URL for "To get the latest version..." (WTF: Windows Update didn't?)
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
get the fuck back over to the left.
Thank you! I didn't know that was possible.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra So maybe the problem is not in the RAM module? In which case I'd blame the memory controller.
So, apparently during the troubleshooting I updated the Motherboard firmware. It seems that some configuration changed between version 2 and version 14,because the XMP profile had to be set from XMP1 to XMP1.
But! It turns out the Motherboard no longer obeys the desired voltage of said profile!
So the problem was that it kept the "safe" value of 1.2 volts instead of applying the 1.35 volts the profile asked for.
Motherfucker!
All is well now. Well, except I got Windows 11 on me.
I am quite disappointed that the new update did not fix Bluetooth enough to allow both of my earbuds to connect simultaneously, making them fall back to "one does double duty and thus has half the battery life" mode. 😭 maybe next PC...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
the XMP profile had to be set from XMP1 to XMP1.
I hate when that happens.
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@Zecc I just realized you might have not be talking about different XMP versions, but different XMP1 instances.
I've just demonstrated my ignorance, haven't I?
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zecc I just realized you might have not be talking about different XMP versions, but different XMP1 instances.
I've just demonstrated my ignorance, haven't I?
Nah, it's totally fine! Just let the Windows flow through you...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Just let the Windows flow through you...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Nah, it's totally fine! Just let the Windows flow through you...
Status: I'm going to exercise faith that Windows won't crash within the next fourteen hours.
Considering the reliability score is hovering at 2 (out of 9 I think), my hopes are small.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And evidently Cmd is now evil. There's no longer an option to replace powershell with that in the right-click menu on the Start icon. (And it's now called Windows Terminal)
You can set the default terminal in Windows Terminal to Command Prompt if you want. I did because I still haven't bothered to learn PowerShell's version of dir's command line switches.
I also have two different PowerShells now: one that tells me to use the other one and one that almost always tells me it's out of date.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
You can set the default terminal in Windows Terminal to Command Prompt if you want.
You can leave Powershell behind.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Nah, it's totally fine! Just let the Windows flow through you...
Status: I'm going to exercise faith that Windows won't crash within the next fourteen hours.
Considering the reliability score is hovering at 2 (out of 9 I think), my hopes are small.
Status: LADIES AND GENTLEFUCKERS! We have achieved a two-day uptime!!!!
Edit: GODFUCKSHITMOTHERTRAPINGBARBERQUESTS fucking thing crashed minutes after posting this.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Status: LADIES AND GENTLEFUCKERS! We have achieved a two-day uptime!!!!
I can see where this is going...
Edit: GODFUCKSHITMOTHERTRAPINGBARBERQUESTS fucking thing crashed minutes after posting this.
Too easy.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
You can set the default terminal in Windows Terminal to Command Prompt if you want.
You can leave Powershell behind.
You can write .BAT, if they can't run BAT then they're no shells of thine.
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@Zerosquare Time to reboot. Please do the needful.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Funny enough, apparently it registered as a USB device plugged into the internal root USB hub, despite me being pretty damn sure it was built into the WiFi card...
Following a hunch from someone on Reddit, which suggested I fully power down (as in, unplug from the wall) the PC. I'm thinking to myself, "No fuckin' way, that can't possibly help..."
You can imagine my disbelief when...
Perhaps it is a good thing I have no nearby table to flip...
Bluetooth transceiver powered from the Standby 5V lane? Oh, well, I'm sure it's for, like, gracefully unpairing earphones on poweroff or something. Definitely not spying on you, cataloguing nearby devices, and sending the list out regularly via the Intel Management Engine's ethernet interface...
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Oh, well, I'm sure it's for, like, gracefully unpairing earphones on poweroff or something.
Or waking your PC with a Bluetooth mouse / keyboard.
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@Zerosquare Is that a thing that exists? I've seen power buttons on some keyboards. And they seem to work for poweroff even on Linux. But I didn't expect them to start a machine that's completely shut down.
Still not giving up my habit of completely unplugging for the night though.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Still not giving up my habit of completely unplugging for the night though.
You are not alone.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that a thing that exists? I've seen power buttons on some keyboards. And they seem to work for poweroff even on Linux. But I didn't expect them to start a machine that's completely shut down.
Not sure about proper BT, since there's the whole pairing logic and so on. But USB devices can generally do that - my machine has a few USB ports that remain powered even if the machine is shut off otherwise. May require some configuration, but you can boot the machine from devices connected to those ports (e.g. wireless dongles).
Briefly searched for information regarding doing this by Bluetooth. Results were a bit inconclusive, but it seems possible too, somewhat depending on the BT HW.
My main use for the always-on USB is to charge a pair of wireless headphones overnight. (The downside is that the base station for the headphones is "smart", so it has a limited uptime before something running in there crashes, requiring a hard reset. The previous generation of the same headphones worked better in this respect.)
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Too easy.
status: fine, let's blow out the case reseat the RAM modules.
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There's a lot of dust and fur here. Weird.
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Okay that wasn't too bad, time to power back on....
: omgwtfbbq what did you do to my boot volume?!?
:Anyways, seven (!!!!) rounds of automatic recovery and we're back! Let's see if that helps....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Let's see if that helps....
Narrator has left the building...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
seven (!!!!) rounds of automatic recover
Your technology distortion field is very powerful. It's not the kind of enemy that can be defeated in a single round of battle.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
seven (!!!!) rounds of automatic recover
Your technology distortion field is very powerful. It's not the kind of enemy that can be defeated in a single round of battle.
Yeah, I think the order was like:
- recovery: WTF why are you here? Well, we did some things,restart and see if that helped
- Windows: critical system service died. We'll just restart for you
- recovery: oh hey, you're here! .... Not sure why, go ahead and restart!
- recovery: hey, we're doing some automatic recovery things now since you like to get here so much. Couldn't figure out the problem, but if you restart it might work again!
- Windows: inaccessible boot partition, uh, we'll just restart. Maybe that will help?
- recovery: back again I see. Well fine, I'll twiddle my other thumbs then. Reboot and see if that did anything.
- Windows: hey, hibernation seems broken, do you still want to try resuming, or just start fresh?
- Windows: hey, welcome back!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Windows: hey, hibernation seems broken, do you still want to try resuming, or just start fresh?
Maybe try turning off Fast Boot?
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Windows: hey, hibernation seems broken, do you still want to try resuming, or just start fresh?
Maybe try turning off Fast Boot?
It is!!!
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Maybe try turning off Fast Boot?
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It is!!!
10 Update: No, it isn't!
Luckily most of my hardware doesn't mind, but for some reason my audio card switches to low-resolution sound if it starts with Fast Boot on. So after each big update I'm wondering "why does my Windows PC sound like it turned into a modem?"
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I have to admit that watching the interaction of Windows 11 with @Tsaukpaetra's hardware is like watching a train crash in slow motion: horrible, yet fascinating at the same time.
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@JBert said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Maybe try turning off Fast Boot?
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It is!!!
Update: No, it isn't!
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Looks like the Fast Boot option is gone
<googles>must
powercfg /hibernate on
to get it back.Well, at least it remembered I had it off. (And Hibernate is still off too - that command didn't actually turn it on)
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Looks like the Fast Boot option is gone
Maybe they finally realized it doesn't make the boot exactly faster on every machine. So they want to set it on and off depending on your PC model.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
So they want to set it on and off depending on
your PC modelA/B testing.
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@Applied-Mediocrity Well, yes, that's how the model-specific setting is arrived at. But how do you apply the results of the A/B test if you treat every PC as an individual? You can't. So the way it'll be applied is by the reported vendor and model numbers.
Custom builds will hopefully default to off. But prepare to add an item to the installation checklist.
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@acrow Considering the amount of complaints it gets the "feature" should have been yeeted with prejudice years ago.
Seriously, what the fuck? What is the point of closing all user programs and services and then taking a snapshot? Either hibernate or don't. And if the hardware doesn't return from hibernation for whatever ACPI fuckery, first toss it out of the window from a considerable height, second, what the actual fuck, what Chinese year of the goat is it?
Well, my Android phone keeps nagging me to restart, because "stability and reliability" if it hasn't been powercycled for 28 days. This is where we've arrived at as a species.
And it didn't need to exist in the first place. It was probably invented, because manufacturers couldn't be arsed to go for SSDs that were at the time of Windows for Kindergardens still 5x-6x expensive byte-for-byte, and neither could consumers be convinced that storage with 60ms random access average is where all the choking happened .
These days you're hard pressed to find a new computer that doesn't have SSD, but back then the market was flooded with 250 $/EUR HP, Acer and Lenovo craptops that struggled to move under their own weight, much less run any user programs. Why? Sometimes they had Linux preloaded, only it was Ubuntu, i.e. exactly the same sort of molasses.
I was in that shit at the time. Servicing every single one was like being @Tsaukpaetra, except I was allowed to go home at the end of the day.
/rant
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Seriously, what the fuck? What is the point of closing all user programs and services and then taking a snapshot? Either hibernate or don't.
Considering all the shovelware and crappy drivers a cheap consumer PC has, it makes a difference. Most of my relatives' computers used to take a minute or two from Starting Windows to an actually responsive desktop. And half of said relatives liked to install all kinds of helpful taskbar weather widgets that added to the problem. From this point, if the only changes going to Windows 10 had been an SSD drive and Fast Boot, then it would have lived up to its name.
But then someone invented the eMMC, and the rest is history.
And if the hardware doesn't return from hibernation for whatever ACPI fuckery, first toss it out of the window from a considerable height, second, what the actual fuck, what Chinese year of the goat is it?
If all computers were laptops, or preferably netbooks with all the components soldered in, this should be a rare problem in theory. Because manufacturers test the compatibility of all their products with Windows preview releases, in theory. ...Hey! No giggling back there!
Well, my Android phone keeps nagging me to restart, because "stability and reliability" if it hasn't been powercycled for 28 days. This is where we've arrived at as a species.
Mine does not, but it gets a system update once a month, which requires a reboot to install, so I wouldn't know.
And it didn't need to exist in the first place. It was probably invented, because manufacturers couldn't be arsed to go for SSDs that were at the time of Windows for Kindergardens still 5x-6x expensive byte-for-byte, and neither could consumers be convinced that storage with 60ms random access average is where all the choking happened .
True.
These days you're hard pressed to find a new computer that doesn't have SSD, but back then the market was flooded with 250 $/EUR HP, Acer and Lenovo craptops that struggled to move under their own weight, much less run any user programs. Why? Sometimes they had Linux preloaded, only it was Ubuntu, i.e. exactly the same sort of molasses.
The mini-laptops? Those were great, actually, with Ubuntu installed. As long as you remembered to shove Firefox's cache folders to ramdisk. Terrific for couch-browsing.
But yeah, I see your point on Fast Boot being relatively useless. Depends on which CPU the machine had. And how much RAM. If it had like 1GB of RAM, then Fast Boot probably got it up faster, since there was less to load. But consumer laptops soon got a lot more RAM. So the disk was chokepoint again.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
The mini-laptops? Those were great, actually, with Ubuntu installed
Not quite. Ordinary 15" screen. HP didn't actually have a brand for them. Pavilion used to be the low end, these were lower, with just a number. Later became Essential.
Perhaps I should have clarified that with Ubuntu I mean Ubuntu + Unity, which was just invented (and has remained in that state for its entire lifetime). Gnome did ran quite a bit better, but usually people put a high-seas Windows on it anyway, so the point is moot.
Still, Unity sucks. Unity 3D engine sucks. Biden's Unity sucks. I have nothing but negative connotations for the word.