WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@DogsB Why is so much anti-malware software just as bad, if not worse, than the malware it's ostensibly protecting against?
Yeah, it's been like that for a while now. Not long into the 2010s I stopped recommending people use other things and just let Windows Defender handle it.
On the flip side, Defender does have the occasional false positive. It recently decided that one of my ("totally legal") Genesis ROMs had a dangerous virus and needed to be quarantined; I've added my ROM folder to the ignore list now. The "Smart" Screen component also likes to block random things, usually new releases of long-standing programs but sometimes DLLs that haven't changed in years.
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Status: This tool sucks sometimes...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that thing really the scrollbar?
It's as wide as the old school scroll bars, as this is an XP era dialog and Windows is a mess of old and eyecancer-formerly-called-metro stuff. And yet it's its as thin as the useless autohide scrollbars from the hipster Apple world.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that thing really the scrollbar?
Sadly, yes. At least it's only cosmetic; the bar and thumb respond to the entire width of the control like they would have in Windows 95 and clicking on the empty spaces where the arrows should be will work. It just looks out of place like a lot of the mixed UI from Windows 8+.
I understand wanting to improve scaling for newer screens with widely varying DPI, but they could have done it in a way that preserved some of the old theming and options.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I understand wanting to improve scaling for newer screens with widely varying DPI
"Hey, new screens have smaller pixels so let's make the scrollbars narrower to compensate for that!"
Sure, makes perfect sense.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
they could have done it in a way that preserved some of the old theming and options.
: "Old theming and options" never existed. Also, Oceania was always at war with Eurasia.
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@Parody another proof that Windows Defender is another great product by Microsoft
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I feel like we're collectively giving Microsoft more credit than it deserves here.
We could replace the previous 2400-odd posts with 'enshittification' and I think almost nothing of value would be lost, just like Windows 11.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that thing really the scrollbar?
So many things have gotten that stupid 'only show it when you mouse over' brain-worm now. Fuck em all.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that thing really the scrollbar?
So many things have gotten that stupid 'only show it when you mouse over' brain-worm now. Fuck em all.
What does one do about this on a tablet or a phone?
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that thing really the scrollbar?
So many things have gotten that stupid 'only show it when you mouse over' brain-worm now. Fuck em all.
What does one do about this on a tablet or a phone?
Shoot the
developerdesigner.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that thing really the scrollbar?
So many things have gotten that stupid 'only show it when you mouse over' brain-worm now. Fuck em all.
What does one do about this on a tablet or a phone?
Shoot the developer.
What if the poor developer were just doing what the designer insisted be done for 'aesthetics'?
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
What if the poor developer were just doing what the designer insisted be done for 'aesthetics'?
You're right. hang on...
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that thing really the scrollbar?
So many things have gotten that stupid 'only show it when you mouse over' brain-worm now. Fuck em all.
What does one do about this on a tablet or a phone?
Shoot the developer.
What if the poor developer were just doing what the designer insisted be done for 'aesthetics'?
You get twice as much encourager les autres
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
What if the poor developer were just doing what the designer insisted be done for 'aesthetics'?
You're right. hang on...
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Status: Updates! For 2.5 hours and counting.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that thing really the scrollbar?
So many things have gotten that stupid 'only show it when you mouse over' brain-worm now. Fuck em all.
What does one do about this on a tablet or a phone?
Their finger implicitly scrolls. You're expected to never ever ever touch the scrollbars ever.
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status: Hooray, I got the ad!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Their finger implicitly scrolls. You're expected to never ever ever touch the scrollbars ever.
And having scrolled, moves on...
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@Watson said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Their finger implicitly scrolls. You're expected to never ever ever touch the scrollbars ever.
And having scrolled,
moves onfades away...I hate the new trend of hiding anything that may convey useable information until an interaction that might have impacted it has occurred.
...
for some reason I feel like I'm echoing something recently said elsewhere...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
status: Hooray, I got the ad!
Will you share your Microsoft 365 subscription with your bitches?
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@Zerosquare bitches get scritches, not subscriptions. That doesn’t even rhyme.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
status: Hooray, I got the ad!
I solved that long ago.
r-click, STFU OneDrive. (turn off OD notifications)...Well, until MS auto-turns them back on...
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
status: Hooray, I got the ad!
Will you share your Microsoft 365 subscription with your bitches?
I tried it with my AD accounts. What ended up happening is I got set up and had to pay $15/account/month for the "privileged" of the "extra free" storage.
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Now that I'm caught up with this thread, lets talk STLs. If anyone doesn't know, they're 3D model files popularly used for 3D printing. There's an app called "Papa's Best STL Viewer" which does a very good job of displaying these objects, and on Windows 10 I quite enjoyed setting it as the default associated app for STL files.
So on my new Windows 11 machine, I double clicked on one of my STL files, and nothing happened. No default program, no "open with" dialog, no error, just nothing at all. Investigating the right click menu reveals that the default option is "3D Print" which seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do with STL files, but I'll come back to that later. For now, there's an Open With option that I need to reset the default to something more useful. But wait, something's missing:
What if I want to open it more than once? What if I want to set it to open always like I can for any other file?
Guess I can't. Ok, I'll try digging around in the settings and set it manually
Guess I can't. Ok, what about down here in the related settings? This looks promising:
Guess I still can't. Ok, lets see what I can do with the most discoverable and obviously advanced Windows UI tool, regedit.
Hey, is that the 3D Print command from earlier? I wonder what that does
It points to a DLL that doesn't exist!Windows 11:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW-j6I0RQ4E
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@hungrier I was able to solve it like this:
- found this amazingly self-explanatory string under
Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FileExts\.stl\UserChoice
: ProgIdAppXvhc4p7vz4b485xfp46hhk3fq3grkdgjg
(which is apparently Microsoft 3D Builder) - found a matching registry key under Software\Classes, which had an empty string value called
NoOpenWith
- set it up the bomb for great justice
- found this amazingly self-explanatory string under
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
- found a matching registry key under Software\Classes, which had an empty string value called
NoOpenWith
$deity fuckin' hell...
- found a matching registry key under Software\Classes, which had an empty string value called
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@hungrier That's why Linux is not ready for prime time. You always have to edit some cryptic config file to set things up.
Oh, wait...
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@hungrier That's why Linux is not ready for prime time. You always have to edit some cryptic config file to set things up.
Oh, wait...
On Windows the editor for the cryptic config files is easier to exit.
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@loopback0 Help, nothing happens to regedit when I type :wq!. I've been resorting to just turning off the main breaker for the house. Can somebody help?
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 Help, nothing happens to regedit when I type :wq!. I've been resorting to just turning off the main breaker for the house. Can somebody help?
If you can identify the breaker for the room your computer resides in, you can quit regedit while minimising the number of clocks around the house you have to reset
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
On Windows the editor for the cryptic config files is easier to exit.
CTRL-X then Y
Oh, you're not using nano?
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@kazitor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 Help, nothing happens to regedit when I type :wq!. I've been resorting to just turning off the main breaker for the house. Can somebody help?
If you can identify the breaker for the room your computer resides in, you can quit regedit while minimising the number of clocks around the house you have to reset
No fucking joke, not two weeks ago I caught my father flipping breakers to find a specific wall outlet (that burned out for other reasons).
It's over half a decade old, how the fuck can you not know which breaker goes where by now? You do it every time, is the concept of marking them in some way foreign?Then again, maybe he's just perpetuating the principle of most surprise...
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@Tsaukpaetra I’m going to suggest the problem here is that the principle of marking them is roughly analogous to the principle of
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra I’m going to suggest the problem here is that the principle of marking them is roughly analogous to the principle of
My dad don't slack off. He also doesn't decline anything that can be construed as a bargain.
No, please stop buying Instant Pot units, I don't care that they can be
replacedrepaired, we don't have room to store them, ffs!
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@Tsaukpaetra the sort of person who 'doesn't slack off' but also doesn't do the single most basic thing to improve their own situation (in this case, labelling the breaker)... how is that not applied warthogery?
It's like they believe this time will be the last time therefore don't bother making it easier next time.
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It points to a DLL that doesn't exist!
Windows 11 constantly reminds me of the words "sofa king".
Windows 11 is sofa king annoying I can't stand it.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It's like they believe this time will be the last time therefore don't bother making it easier next time.
This. But applied to literally everything. And also depression-era habits, for example, not throwing away this little package of screws because in the future it may be needed for something completely unrelated.
This dissonance is REAL....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And also depression-era habits, for example, not throwing away this little package of screws because in the future it may be needed for something completely unrelated.
No, I'm NOT enough to have lived through the Depression, but my dad was, and I inherited that habit from him. Except that I'm less organized about storing them than he was; I kept them, somewhere, but I'll never find them again.
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@hungrier You installed some shit software that fucked up the association and it's somehow Microsoft's fault?
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@SirTwist said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
You installed some shit software
I don’t know why someone would install Windows 11 either, but that is the theme of the thread.
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@SirTwist said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@hungrier You installed some shit software that fucked up the association and it's somehow Microsoft's fault?
The shit software is called Windows 11 and the laptop came with it.
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@SirTwist said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@hungrier You installed some shit software that fucked up the association and it's somehow Microsoft's fault?
Microsoft 3D Builder comes preinstalled with Win11. So yes, yes it is Microsoft’s fault.
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@Arantor But it doesn't fuck up the association. I tried two different Win11 PCs that never had any other 3D software installed. Creating an empty .stl file and attempting to open it pops up the app selection dialog. Suggested apps are 3D Viewer, Paint 3D, and Print 3D.
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@SirTwist You're blaming a 3rd party program that a) doesn't associate itself, b) manages to actively fuck itself up from being associated with and c) actively breaks anything else being associated with it.
While Windows is capable of doing all of those all by itself. Hmm. And we're still blaming the third party software for this, in a multi-thousand post topic about how idiotic just Windows 11 is.
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@SirTwist said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@hungrier You installed some shit software that fucked up the association and it's somehow Microsoft's fault?
The shit software is called Windows 11 and the laptop came with it.
New laptop, though? This fuck up could be easily explained if the thing originally had 10, which was then upgrayedd.
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@SirTwist said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I tried two different Win11 PCs
You just discovered that Windows is inconsistent?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
upgrayedd
Is that a new euphemism to say how fucked up Windows Update is?
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@TimeBandit In another place I'm visiting (boo!) someone had made the arguably funny Idiocracy-inspired remark to answer what 11 stands for in Windows 11.
I don't have one original funny bone in my body, so I stole it.
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Yeah. Y'all have weird systems. Or maybe I do. Because I've never had any of these problems. I've had hardware issues, but both windows 10 and 11 have worked just fine for me.