WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
many people still regard Windows as having clown-shoes
security
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Status: MSN.com now redirects to a "Fuck you, install Edge!" screen.
I tried Firefox, Palemoon and Brave. Msn.com won't even load on any of them.
What a disappointment.
Windows 11 using FF121.0Now it works, in all browsers. Guess it was just a temporary glitch in the Matrix.
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Explorer (aka File Explorer) in Windows 11 is terrible and ugly. Tabs are a stupid and pointless "feature". I kept wishing that I could have the Windows 10 version of Explorer in Win11.
I even tried putting a copy of Explorer10 in Win11 but it complained about a missing .dll, but when I searched for that file in Win10 I couldn't find it.
Then, I discovered a setting in Explorer Patcher:
I always ignored it because the "ribbon" is another one of those stupid, ugly features that Microsoft came up with years ago. But then I realized that I can just minimize the ribbon like I do in Win10 and -- Explorer 11 now looks and works pretty much the same as Explorer 10.
Fighting the Windows 11 suckage one little bit at a time.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Fighting the Windows 11 suckage one little bit at a time.
That's kinda like pouring a glass of water out of the Titanic.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Tabs are a stupid and pointless "feature".
I kinda like them. Except the stupid path thing likes to drop down and stay that way when you switch between the tabs. At least it's only covering the menu.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Tabs are a stupid and pointless "feature".
I kinda like them. Except the stupid path thing likes to drop down and stay that way when you switch between the tabs. At least it's only covering the menu.
Cursor focus, what is that even?
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Tabs are a stupid and pointless "feature".
I kinda like them.
I forget Windows 11 Explorer has tabs. I've never deliberately used them.
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I was (nota bene: past tense) astonished how smoothly my Windows 11 machine actually run in the cloudz. Of course, some hickups for little rants were available, but overall: okayish. Really not bad.
But recently...
Very sluggish. Where tf is the button in Tasm Manager to get to te Resource Monitor?
Gone.
But I still can find the Resource Monitor,
Aha.BackgroundDownloader.exe
just fucks my disk.
And since the machine is in the clouds, I do not only pay for the amount of storage used, but also for disk read operations, and even mor for disk write operations.
(That screenshot shows a rather harmless scene...)
Oh btw, suddenly, the explorer windows disappeared...
has happened? I don't know.
But recently, Edge was very slow and complained a lot when I was searching StackOverflow. Suddenly, Edge was gone.
?
I opened it again, and it greeted me with a message telling me that it has just been updated...
Thank you, Microsoft, thank you !
That's the user experience I really wanted to get.
But perhaps I deserve it.
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@BernieTheBernie You need to become a smug Linux user. I updated for the first time in a month. Downloaded half a gig. No idea what was updated but my USB ports are still working so... nothing?
Also, bottles is pretty good. There's an out-of-context update for everyone who knows.
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@DogsB said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
You need to become a smug Linux user.
As opposed to a smug Lisp user?
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Where tf is the button in Tasm Manager
I've never seen the Tasm Manager
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@BernieTheBernie said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Where tf is the button in Tasm Manager
I've never seen the Tasm Manager
It starts a VM for every asm instruction to execute. That’s why your 4GHz 8 core machine almost reaches 386 performance.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@BernieTheBernie said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Where tf is the button in Tasm Manager
I've never seen the Tasm Manager
It starts a VM for every asm instruction to execute. That’s why your 4GHz 8 core machine almost reaches 386 performance.
But does it protect you from Spectre/Meltdown and similar side channel attacks?
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@Arantor no.
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@topspin outstanding work all around!
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@BernieTheBernie said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Where tf is the button in Tasm Manager
I've never seen the Tasm Manager
It starts a VM for every asm instruction to execute. That’s why your 4GHz 8 core machine almost reaches 386 performance.
That's marginally better than holding a meeting of a working group subcommittee for each instruction.
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@Atazhaia 40 years later, Microsoft innovate
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Atazhaia 40 years later, Microsoft innovate
Some of us don't need reminding how long ago the 80s was, kthx.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Atazhaia 40 years later, Microsoft innovate
Some of us don't need reminding how long ago the 80s was, kthx.
Some of us can even still do maths just in case the remembering was being difficult!
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I don't get it. If you know what Sudo is, you already know how to open a command prompt or powershell with the appropriate admin rights to do anything you want. So what can Sudo do that I can't already do?
Or is this just a lame marketing ploy by Microsoft that's supposed to convince *nix nerds to use Windows?
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Or is this just a lame marketing ploy by Microsoft that's supposed to convince *nix nerds to use Windows?
I think you already know the answer to that question.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
So what can Sudo do that I can't already do?
Elevate individual commands within cmd or Powershell rather than the whole session?
Also they could do it properly and implement sudoers, then you could have specific users only be able to elevate specific commands which is where Windows lacks compared to *nix.
They probably won't, but they could.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Elevate individual commands within cmd or Powershell rather than the whole session?
Some things (e.g. installers invoked by winget) can ask to elevate themselves already, although it may be that winget launches them in "Ask for elevation" mode. Come to think of it, maybe that's all this "new" sudo feature does
Read the article? No, why would I ever do a thing like that?
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
they could do it properly
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Elevate individual commands within cmd or Powershell rather than the whole session?
Some things (e.g. installers invoked by winget) can ask to elevate themselves already, although it may be that winget launches them in "Ask for elevation" mode. Come to think of it, maybe that's all this "new" sudo feature does
Read the article? No, why would I ever do a thing like that?
The usual workflow in linux is that you invoke sudo (or su, or gksu), and that invokes the target process with elevated privileges
In windows, the impression I get is that you first start the target process with normal privileges, and then the target process invokes some API to trigger the privilege elevation dialog to elevate privileges in the already-running process.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Elevate individual commands within cmd or Powershell rather than the whole session?
Some things (e.g. installers invoked by winget) can ask to elevate themselves already, although it may be that winget launches them in "Ask for elevation" mode. Come to think of it, maybe that's all this "new" sudo feature does
Read the article? No, why would I ever do a thing like that?
The usual workflow in linux is that you invoke sudo (or su, or gksu), and that invokes the target process with elevated privileges
In windows, the impression I get is that you first start the target process with normal privileges, and then the target process invokes some API to trigger the privilege elevation dialog to elevate privileges in the already-running process.I've been using gsudo for a while on Windows now. Useful if you are in a regular prompt and need to run something with admin permissions.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Atazhaia 40 years later, Microsoft innovate
Probably because no one remembers the
runas
syntax.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Atazhaia 40 years later, Microsoft innovate
Probably because no one remembers the
runas
syntax.And more so because
runas
isn't transparent enough so the "user context" presented to applications isn't the same with arunas
command versus regular elevation, and poorly developed software winds up relying on "everyone has admin permissions anyway" elevation and so falls down when presented with arunas
environment.
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Read the article? No, why would I ever do a thing like that?
I read the article and I can't find the part that explains why this is needed or what it will allow me to do that I can't already do.
But there is this:
The Sudo settings also warned that running command could expose the device and personal data to security risks and potentially harm your device without explaining the titbits.
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@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
poorly developed software ... falls down when presented with a runas environment.
That sounds like a feature to me. If poorly developed software fell down more blatantly, maybe people would stop buying poorly developed software. (Well, one can dream, anyway.)
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
poorly developed software ... falls down when presented with a runas environment.
That sounds like a feature to me. If poorly developed software fell down more blatantly, maybe people would stop buying poorly developed software. (Well, one can dream, anyway.)
Bender could not be reached for comment.
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@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
poorly developed software ... falls down when presented with a runas environment.
That sounds like a feature to me. If poorly developed software fell down more blatantly, maybe people would stop buying poorly developed software. (Well, one can dream, anyway.)
Bender could not be reached for comment.
He was too busy laughing.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
That sounds like a feature to me. If poorly developed software fell down more blatantly, maybe people would stop buying poorly developed software. (Well, one can dream, anyway.)
But MS would never hurt itself like that.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@izzion said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
poorly developed software ... falls down when presented with a runas environment.
That sounds like a feature to me. If poorly developed software fell down more blatantly, maybe people would stop buying poorly developed software. (Well, one can dream, anyway.)
Bender could not be reached for comment.
He was too busy laughing.
:drop_pikachu:
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That's a new one...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
That's a new one...
New? Really? You've never seen access violation before?
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@Gustav said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
That's a new one...
New? Really? You've never seen access violation before?
Not in this specific way. Usually it says "ACCESS VIOLATION" with a much prettier box.
Edit: Also, I can't seem to find that number as specifically an access violation. The Googles have failed!
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@Gustav said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra figures you wouldn't have much experience with catching and handling exceptions...
That's not me, that's Windows 11 *points at thread title*
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@Gustav said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
You've never seen access violation before?
Microsoft is really good at meaningful error messages
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@Tsaukpaetra I'm more concerned with is QuickCommandsv2.exe and is it in the drive root?
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@Applied-Mediocrity I learned a long time ago not to ask these questions.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
is it in the drive root?
Hey, at least it's not in the root of the C drive
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@TimeBandit why do you assume C is his system drive?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra I'm more concerned with is QuickCommandsv2.exe and is it in the drive root?
It's a little powershell script in an embedded wrapper thingy.
It has a bunch of "quick commands" that are somewhat useful to have at hand.
It's at the root of a drive because where else would you keep your utility portable programs?
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@Gustav it's @Tsaukpaetra so it's ok to assume the system drive is A on an actual floppy