Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications
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@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
"programming on a boat"
I miss @Welbog ...
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@ixvedeusi said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Any sources for this claim?
Hmm, interesting, one downvote but no counter-arguments. I can only conclude that my doubts were justified and someone is pissed off that I called their bluff...
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@ixvedeusi said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@ixvedeusi said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Any sources for this claim?
Hmm, interesting, one downvote but no counter-arguments. I can only conclude that my doubts were justified and someone is pissed off that I called their bluff...
I didn't bother rebutting that because whoever thinks Wikipedia is credible in anything related to Chinese affairs or communism in general is genuinely stupid. And you don't need to take my words about it, but have you actually meet any Chinese and asked them about the reputation of Falun Gong in China? I bet none of the posters in this thread did, so why should I bother continuing?
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@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
I didn't bother rebutting that because whoever thinks Wikipedia is credible in anything related to Chinese affairs or communism in general is genuinely stupid.
Which is why I asked for an alternative source, because I couldn't find any by myself (and no, wikipedia is not the only source I looked at).
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
have you actually meet any Chinese and asked them about the reputation of Falun Gong in China?
- No I haven't, and I don't have convenient access to mainland Chinese to ask them, so I was hoping you could provide me with an alternative source.
- Considering that the sources I did find alleged that the Chinese government has given its best to discredit the movement, I would take any opinion from a mainland Chinese, and in particular the reputation Falun Gong has there, with a huge grain of salt, except for direct, first-hand experience. It seems a bit inconsistent to summarily dismiss Wikipedia as full of shit but unconditionally trust the propaganda of a government which has obvious incentives, and massive means, to sway public opinion in a direction that suits their needs.
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@ixvedeusi said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Chinese government has given its best to discredit the movement, I would take any opinion from a mainland Chinese, and in particular the reputation Falun Gong has there, with a huge grain of salt
By the same argument I'm free to treat any opinion about Chinese affairs from a non-Chinese with a huge grain of salt too. That's not how "independence" rolls.
@ixvedeusi said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
unconditionally trust the propaganda of a government which has obvious incentives
No? Obviously you haven't seen any of the Falun Gong grassroot propaganda around. It's all over the place around various places of China. Meanwhile, Chinese government have almost never explicitly done anything on them. Wherever you're obtaining your information, they seem to be pretty bogus.
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@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
By the same argument I'm free to treat any opinion about Chinese affairs from
a non-Chinesesomeone who hasn't recently spent considerable time in China with a huge grain of salt too.You are indeed free to do so, and I encourage you to.
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Wherever you're obtaining your information, they seem to be pretty bogus.
Well, currently I have the following sources of information:
- Whatever I can find by cursorily searching the internet. According to you this hasn't been very effective, possibly due to ; but you consistently refuse to help me improve and it isn't really relevant enough for me to bother much further.
- Whatever some random, apparently angry, stranger on the internet claims.
Both of them are
bogusunreliable for obvious reasons. Thus the current state of the investigation is "unconclusive" and I'll have to defer forming an opinion about Falun Gong until new, relevant information comes to my attention.
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@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@ixvedeusi said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@ixvedeusi said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Any sources for this claim?
Hmm, interesting, one downvote but no counter-arguments. I can only conclude that my doubts were justified and someone is pissed off that I called their bluff...
I didn't bother rebutting that because whoever thinks Wikipedia is credible in anything related to Chinese affairs or communism in general is genuinely stupid. And you don't need to take my words about it, but have you actually meet any Chinese and asked them about the reputation of Falun Gong in China? I bet none of the posters in this thread did, so why should I bother continuing?
And to instead believe whatever propaganda the Chinese government puts out is, obviously, not stupid at all. Because they aren't know to be an Orwellian dystopia or anything like that.
Nothing happened on Tiananmen Square. Ignorance is Strength.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
It's exactly what I said: a new post that says all the same stuff but in a more reasonable tone of voice. And given that it's currently not being downvoted to oblivion the way the last one was, the trick seems to be working.
This one contains the following gem: "Pronouns are a fairly well defined thing in language".
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@boomzilla said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@DoctorJones I prefer
image.FuckOff()
.Nonono, that's rape culture. Try
image.SeeYouSoon()
instead.Too ableist. Perhaps
image.hasBeenCanceled()
.That seems like cancel culture.
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@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Meanwhile, Chinese government have almost never explicitly done anything on them.
OK, now you're approaching the Baghdad Bob Zone.
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@Carnage said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@boomzilla said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@DoctorJones I prefer
image.FuckOff()
.Nonono, that's rape culture. Try
image.SeeYouSoon()
instead.Too ableist. Perhaps
image.hasBeenCanceled()
.That seems like cancel culture.
That was the intent, yes.
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@boomzilla said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Carnage said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@boomzilla said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@DoctorJones I prefer
image.FuckOff()
.Nonono, that's rape culture. Try
image.SeeYouSoon()
instead.Too ableist. Perhaps
image.hasBeenCanceled()
.That seems like cancel culture.
That was the intent, yes.
Oh. Right then, carry on.
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@Carnage said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@boomzilla said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@DoctorJones I prefer
image.FuckOff()
.Nonono, that's rape culture. Try
image.SeeYouSoon()
instead.Too ableist. Perhaps
image.hasBeenCanceled()
.That seems like cancel culture.
Can we cancel culture? I think it was a mistake...
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@error said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Carnage said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@boomzilla said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@DoctorJones I prefer
image.FuckOff()
.Nonono, that's rape culture. Try
image.SeeYouSoon()
instead.Too ableist. Perhaps
image.hasBeenCanceled()
.That seems like cancel culture.
Can we cancel culture? I think it was a mistake...
Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake coming down from the trees in the first place, and some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no-one should ever have left the oceans.
And then one day, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl, sitting on her own in a small cafe in Rickmansworth suddenly realised what it was that had been going wrong all this time and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no-one would have to get nailed to anything. Sadly, however, before she could get to a phone to tell anyone, the Earth was unexpectedly demolished to make way for a new hyperspace bypass and so the idea was lost forever.
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@CodeJunkie That's garage material.
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@topspin said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@CodeJunkie That's garage material.
I figured. We can start a discussion there on this, but it is related to this topic.
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@CodeJunkie I didn't know that sanitary products had preferred pronouns now.
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@ixvedeusi Okay then, you can stay your "woke"-ness. You must also be the one who must demand a "study" done by academists in respectable universities to show that something that every non-white people know as heart actually exists!
I need to actually invent something since obviously the entire forum is at here when it comes to certain topics.
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@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
I need to actually invent something since obviously the entire forum is at here when it comes to certain topics.
You're also the kind of person who'd insist everyone else was driving the wrong way after crashing your car on the highway, aren't you?
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@dfdub said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
I need to actually invent something since obviously the entire forum is at here when it comes to certain topics.
You're also the kind of person who'd insist everyone else was driving the wrong way after crashing your car on the highway, aren't you?
It's more like everyone in this place insist that right-hand traffic is the Real Way of Traffic quoting dubious sources claiming "accidents are caused by left-hand traffic" provided with questionable arguments, and if someone else tells you left-lane traffic is actually not worse, dismiss them for "being influenced by authoritarian government propaganda".
In whichever case, I come here to rant whatever I want anyway, so I'm not gonna bother convincing some misinformed person in a WTF forum that they're actually wrong. The best you can do is downvoting all my posts and mocking me inside the same bubble anyway
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@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@DoctorJones I prefer
image.FuckOff()
.Nonono, that's rape culture. Try
image.SeeYouSoon()
instead.image.comeAgainLaterWellBeWaiting()
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@dfdub said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Nor does it mean I have somehow "justified" such acts.
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
...which means she totally deserves it?
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Your accusation using the typical US method
Funny how I've apparently adapted a "typical" method for a country I don't live in and am not a citizen of.
Haven't you heard? Cultural appropriation is like a hobby...
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@dfdub said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
You're also the kind of person who'd insist everyone else was driving the wrong way after crashing your car on the highway, aren't you?
Don't forget to flee the country with your diplomatic passport!
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@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
The best you can do is downvoting all my posts
Command accepted. Added to auto-dislike list.
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@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
I need to actually invent something since obviously the entire forum is at here when it comes to certain topics.
First rule of convincing people on the internet:
find credible sources to support your argumentSHOUT LOUDER!.Have you tried the CAPS LOCK key?
ETA: and also, insults! There's no better way to get people on your side in an argument then by insulting them!
Filed under: And now we've come full circle and are more or less back on topic.
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@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
It's more like everyone in this place insist that right-hand traffic is the Real Way of Traffic quoting dubious sources claiming "accidents are caused by left-hand traffic" provided with questionable arguments, and if someone else tells you left-lane traffic is actually not worse, dismiss them for "being influenced by authoritarian government propaganda".
You've swapped left and right, you maroon!
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@e4tmyl33t said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
More like "assuming everyone I talk to online is male so I default to 'he' all the time".
It is a well known fact that all teenage girls on the internet are actually men. By extension, if/when those teenage girls become adults, they would still be men. So the only real women on the internet are those who had no online presence as teenagers. Therefore, the majority of people online are men.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
The best you can do is downvoting all my posts
Command accepted. Added to auto-dislike list.
Can error_bot play this game?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@DoctorJones I prefer
image.FuckOff()
.Nonono, that's rape culture. Try
image.SeeYouSoon()
instead.image.comeAgainLaterWellBeWaiting()
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@error said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
The best you can do is downvoting all my posts
Command accepted. Added to auto-dislike list.
Can error_bot play this game?
We can like each other until something new comes.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
We can like each other until something new comes.
Least romantic proposal of all time.
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@dfdub said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
We can like each other until something new comes.
Least romantic proposal of all time.
I have a feeling that @error_bot would not be enamored by anything more flashy.
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It totally sounds like an honest, unconditional apology from SE
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@Zerosquare said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
In recognition of the mistakes that led us here, we invited Ms. Cellio to apply for possible reinstatement on all six sites following our new reinstatement process.
How very kind of them!
Ms. Cellio expressed concerns about the new process and has not applied.
Can't say I blame her.
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@dkf said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
You've swapped left and right, you
maroonmuppet!
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@lolwhat said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@dkf said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
You've swapped left and right, you
maroonmuppet!
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@Zerosquare said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
It totally sounds like an honest, unconditional apology from SE
We regret any damage to Ms. Cellio's reputation and any other damage she may have suffered.
Wait, did they just admit liability? I smell a lawsuit.
Filed under: Lawsuit refers to the suits worn by lawyers, which can be detected by scent.
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@error said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Wait, did they just admit liability? I smell a lawsuit.
There was already a lawsuit, which this post was basically announcing had been settled under terms that no one could talk about, and that was a very-carefully-phrased non-admission of liability.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
There was already a lawsuit,
Of course there was, because I'm living in a Kafkaesque universe where satire has become indistinguishable from reality.
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@error said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Mason_Wheeler said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
There was already a lawsuit,
Of course there was, because I'm living in a Kafkaesque universe where satire has become indistinguishable from reality.
Itโs only marginally better outside of the US.
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@error hmm?
Someone from SE, in violation of relevant SE policy on such matters, talked to a major media outlet and told them that Monica had (essentially) violated their policies against bigotry and had a history of doing so. This was printed in an article that a lot of people saw, which caused a lot of real harm to Monica's reputation. None of it was even the slightest bit true, and SE repeatedly failed to provide any examples or evidence of Monica having done so when asked.
That's about as clear-cut-libel as it gets, and I don't see anything particularly satirical or Kafkaesque about Monica filing a defamation suit over it.
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@Mason_Wheeler I missed the part where this story hit the news. I still thought this was about someone butthurt over losing mod rights on a private site over a policy disagreement.
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It does seem wildly out of proportion even still. Not newsworthy, not lawsuit-worthy. I stand by my statement: this shit would not matter in a sane universe.
Bonus wtf: my spellchecker is gaslighting me
Also: whytf is it truncating Delete?
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@error Sanity not supplied in this universe. Please return it to the store unopened with your original receipt for a full refund if it is not to your satisfaction.
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@error said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Bonus wtf: my spellchecker is gaslighting me
Itโs the machine uprising.
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@error said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Mason_Wheeler I missed the part where this story hit the news. I still thought this was about someone butthurt over losing mod rights on a private site over a policy disagreement.
However, that does not make this statement any less true:
I'm living in a Kafkaesque universe where satire has become indistinguishable from reality.
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@error said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
this shit would not matter in a sane universe.
You are correct; SO/SE wouldn't matter.
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@Zerosquare said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
It totally sounds like an honest, unconditional apology from SE
As always, the only winners are the lawyers.