Killed by Google
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@Atazhaia said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Oh well, this will all be a non-problem in 3 months when Stadia shuts down anyway...
Let’s start the countdown.
Any bets for shorter/longer?
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@topspin said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Oh well, this will all be a non-problem in 3 months when Stadia shuts down anyway...
Let’s start the countdown.
Any bets for shorter/longer?two monopoly moniesz on it lasting a year and a day from initial release, and only then because that's how long the contracts for the games were initially signed for.
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Guest Mode
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Apps
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Discord music bots.
They're blocking them as quickly as they can find them.
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This may have something to do with why Google keeps killing services:
TLDR:
“Harbingers have preferences that are systematically different from other customers,” the researchers explain. If something appeals to them, it’s unlikely that it will appeal to the mainstream.
It's kind of a discovery, and I don't know if it translates the same way to free products, but it's interesting.
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@TimeBandit I saw that too. What's hilarious is Google citing "low usage" for this latest killing. Does it ever occur to them that, just maybe, people have learned to stay away from Google services because they're always killed like this?
I learned my lesson with Checkout
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@Zenith said in Killed by Google:
Checkout
I've seen approximately one site support this. Is it also shutdown? I forget...
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@Tsaukpaetra It was shut down in 2013. Then they kindof sortof replaced it with Wallet. Then that was merged into Google Pay.
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Soon to be added to the list: URL
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@TimeBandit said in Killed by Google:
URL
we want to move toward a place where web identity is understandable by everyone—they know who they’re talking to when they’re using a website and they can reason about whether they can trust them.
And how the fuck do they propose to do that? By eliminating the one thing consistently available to identify a website?
I'm having trouble parsing this into something reasonable.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Killed by Google:
And how the fuck do they propose to do that? By eliminating the one thing consistently available to identify a website?
I'm having trouble parsing this into something reasonable.
Simple. Former url bar will be just google search bar. No urls will ever be displayed. What is shown as page identity is what google decides.
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@MrL said in Killed by Google:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Killed by Google:
And how the fuck do they propose to do that? By eliminating the one thing consistently available to identify a website?
I'm having trouble parsing this into something reasonable.
Simple. Former url bar will be just google search bar. No urls will ever be displayed. What is shown as page identity is what google decides.
Back to the days of AOL where people are not supposed to know you can browse the internet without it. Google is the internet.
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@topspin said in Killed by Google:
@MrL said in Killed by Google:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Killed by Google:
And how the fuck do they propose to do that? By eliminating the one thing consistently available to identify a website?
I'm having trouble parsing this into something reasonable.
Simple. Former url bar will be just google search bar. No urls will ever be displayed. What is shown as page identity is what google decides.
Back to the days of AOL where people are not supposed to know you can browse the internet without it. Google is the internet.
Google is working in this direction for a long time already. This is just the next step.
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Privacy
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@hungrier said in Killed by Google:
Privacy
Wait, hasn't that been a corpse spinning in its grave for quite a while now?
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Not Glass, apparently
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@hungrier said in Killed by Google:
Not Glass, apparently
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...... i thought they killed that project ages ago..... but perhaps they just went silent because of the whole "internet losing their shit at always on camera" but now that it's become like a thing with ring and nest and tplink and everyone else they're bringing it back for another hurrah?
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TV service.
https://venturebeat.com/2020/02/04/google-fiber-kills-its-traditional-tv-service-for-new-customers/
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@Vixen said in Killed by Google:
@hungrier said in Killed by Google:
Not Glass, apparently
e:
...... i thought they killed that project ages ago..... but perhaps they just went silent because of the whole "internet losing their shit at always on camera" but now that it's become like a thing with ring and nest and tplink and everyone else they're bringing it back for another hurrah?
It's a product for businesses now, similar to Hololens though with slightly different goals. IIRC, Glass changed focus a few years back.
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@Tsaukpaetra But the URL is a horribly complex construct. Just look at this:
protocol://domain/path/to/document.html
Completely illogical and confusing! Next up to remove: the directory structure on storage media. Let’s go back to storing every file in the root directory because paths are hard.
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@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@Tsaukpaetra But the URL is a horribly complex construct. Just look at this:
protocol://domain/path/to/document.html
Completely illogical and confusing! Next up to remove: the directory structure on storage media. Let’s go back to storing every file in the root directory because paths are hard.Then it would be so much easier to make it compatible with the commodore disk drive!
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@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
Next up to remove: the directory structure on storage media.
Mobile first cloud first is well on their way of doing it already. You're supposed to use an app for that.
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@hungrier said in Killed by Google:
Privacy
Perhaps we will hear of someone who met their spouse by receiving such a video.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@Tsaukpaetra But the URL is a horribly complex construct. Just look at this:
protocol://domain/path/to/document.html
Completely illogical and confusing! Next up to remove: the directory structure on storage media. Let’s go back to storing every file in the root directory because paths are hard.Then it would be so much easier to make it compatible with the commodore disk drive!
Hey, the 1581 had partitions. Break those 800K floppies up into big chunks that are really annoying to use!
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Privacy, again
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22236106
https://www.youtube.com - in network headers, look for x-client-data
Now, go to [nowhere]- and your browser also sends this magic x-client-data.
It's a unique ID to track a specific Chrome instance across all Google properties.
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@hungrier Some more information:
TL;DR: Google is abusing its browser to make sure they can always track you while simultaneously proposing privacy features that won't affect them. They're basically hard-coding
if (site == "google.com") { allow_tracking = true; } else { allow_tracking = false; }
in their browser. I smell a juicy anti-trust lawsuit.
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@dfdub said in Killed by Google:
I smell a juicy anti-trust lawsuit.
There will be no consequences. Lawsuit or not.
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@MrL said in Killed by Google:
There will be no consequences.
Well, I wouldn't be so sure about that once European advertisers complain loudly enough about their disadvantages to get the relevant European authorities to take a closer look.
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@dfdub said in Killed by Google:
@MrL said in Killed by Google:
There will be no consequences.
Well, I wouldn't be so sure about that once European advertisers complain loudly enough about their disadvantages to get the relevant European authorities to take a closer look.
at which point Google will start sending that identifier cookie for all sites allowing advertizers to track users again and when privacy advocates complain they'll point at the EU and say "take it up with them! THEY re making us do this!"
thus the EU is turned into the enemy and google walks all the way to the bank laughing.
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@dfdub said in Killed by Google:
@MrL said in Killed by Google:
There will be no consequences.
Well, I wouldn't be so sure about that once European advertisers complain loudly enough about their disadvantages to get the relevant European authorities to take a closer look.
Is the european anti-cookie guideline actually specifically about cookies, or more vaguely about tracking in general?
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@PleegWat said in Killed by Google:
Is the european anti-cookie guideline actually specifically about cookies, or more vaguely about tracking in general?
It covers any kind of fingerprinting.
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@PleegWat
Does it need to be? GDPR seems to cover this to me. It's collecting personal data without consent and without user control.
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Downloading
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@hungrier said in Killed by Google:
Downloading
Note because the onebox doesn't mention it: It's about blocking non-HTTPS downloads linked from HTTPS sites.
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Security
I got this email a few minutes ago:
I guess they wanted to make those emails that tell you you've just logged into your email look useful by creating the worry that someone might clone your 2FA
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Power generating kites?
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@hungrier said in Killed by Google:
Power generating kites?
It's surprising that idea even got off the ground (). Didn't anyone think of what would happen on a still day?
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@dcon said in Killed by Google:
Didn't anyone think of what would happen on a still day?
Already solved
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Tech conferences
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Monthly major versions...
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@boomzilla I guess they couldn't just have all their employees work remotely. A small company like Google doesn't have the infrastructure to provide network access to thousands of people.
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@anonymous234 it says that they are. But I'll bet they work fewer hours at home because they don't have the incentive of coming in early and leaving late due to traffic, free meals, etc.
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@boomzilla said in Killed by Google:
@anonymous234 it says that they are. But I'll bet they work fewer hours at home because they don't have the incentive of coming in early and leaving late due to traffic, free meals, etc.
And according to my brother (who works in the Android division and is working from home), people are getting repurposed like crazy for more pressing projects.
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@boomzilla said in Killed by Google:
@anonymous234 it says that they are. But I'll bet they work fewer hours at home because they don't have the incentive of coming in early and leaving late due to traffic, free meals, etc.
I have a tendency of actually working more. Because I start at the time I would typically start driving. Or earlier. And stop at about the time I would get home (ok, maybe a little earlier there too). Overall, I'd guess I'm working about 1.5h longer because there's no commute.