Firefox alienating its users
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
Please wait, applying update 1 of 32. This could take some time
Oh. You're still on an old version of Windows? Cause Win10 doesn't do that anymore. Just a percentage.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Firefox alienating its users:
@sweaty_gammon agreed. And in my experience macOS is way worse for that. Like hours for a non upgrade update.
Don't forget about the hours until it decides to start applying the update.
: Waiting...
: For what?
: (For you to stop waiting for me.) Waiting...
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@Gurth said in Firefox alienating its users:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Firefox alienating its users:
Six versions of Windows behind is XP, if memory serves.
Depends on how you count: consumer OS only, NT and classic, do you include Server, Phone, etc.?
Huh, I didn't get a notification from this.
In any case, everything you ask for can be derived from my statement, so why are you asking?
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
@topspin said in Firefox alienating its users:
ME? Vista? 10?
You forgot 8
We're all trying to forget 8.
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@Zecc I never minded 8 Especially when they released 8.1 to fix the most glaring issues.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Firefox alienating its users:
@admiral_p It is another installation method. Just as I stated previously.
Windows has that too, both first party and third party solutions even.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Firefox alienating its users:
I just tried Powershell. It took less than a second to get to the command prompt.
Same here. Windows 7 and Windows 10, about 1 second to the command line.
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@El_Heffe Win 7, about 5 seconds until I could type.
cmd: 0.Then I open powershell again and it's also instant. Might have to test again tomorrow.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Firefox alienating its users:
I just tried Powershell. It took less than a second to get to the command prompt.
Well, yeah, sometimes. But every program has a small chance of taking 5 seconds longer to launch simply because Windows was busy dicking around with something at the time.
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Seems to me like the differences between Windows and Linux, as argued here, boil down to:
- UI design, subdivided for use-case. Some things are easier to setup with a configuration file. Making good configuration GUIs is hard, and doing them with limited memory and screen space is harder. If the input method is 6 buttons total, I will (and have) refuse to implement some inputs on it (say, e-mail addresses). </rant> People generally get started easier on GUI. But I wish the UI would gracefully give up and point to the configuration file when the configuration gets exotic. Hiding complexity completely is counter-productive and leaks through like a sieve.
- Hardware support. On Windows, depends on machine integrator / box vendor. On Linux side, depends on hardware vendor (server/IoT/router side) or enthusiasts (desktop side).
- User base, subdivided for each use-case. The more people you have doing the exact same thing, the more instructions and walk-throughs you have. Quality comes from boiled-down mass. Same for bugfixes and optimization.
TL;DR:
Observed quality and ease-of-use depend on existence of business case. It's not easy for you to do if someone doesn't get something from it (may not be money directly).
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Also, something a lot of Linux-users forget to mention is that they check reviews for compatibility issues before buying. Before buying this "Lafite III", I sure as hell checked for a review with successful Ubuntu installation verified.
Later, I got to thinking just why this rather esoteric laptop has good support. Answer to this was provided by the Spectre/Meltdown crisis. This laptop has an OEM motherboard (I forget the manufacturer/brand). And it would be in an OEM's interest to provide Linux drivers. More so than, say, ASUS's interest (large, randomly picked brand), since they know that all their (consumer/prosumer) laptops are sold with Windows installed, and stay that way; the Linux crows is not a worthy market for the likes of them.
The OEM's hardware description file can be re-used across multiple laptop models, to boot, so all laptops with the same motherboard are likely to get Linux support as soon as one of them does.
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@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
You're either intentionally being dishonest or don't actually use Windows.
Sorry, I forgot to specify I was talking about this universe, not yours where Windows Update always work perfectly
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@sweaty_gammon said in Firefox alienating its users:
I said it was crap as a desktop operating system.
I know you will call me a liar again, but I think Windows is barely good at only one thing: for a couple hours at a time, it's a nice gaming platform.
Other than that, it's an unmaintainable piece of shit, You even admitted that you had to format and re-install Windows because some SQL Server install fucked it up (nice job MS )
I use Linux on both my home and work computer, and wouldn't go back to Windows even if Microsoft paid me to do it.
I never have any issue, it just work and is freaking stable (maybe I'm using Linux hardware the right way).
I like the fact that when I leave work (even for a 2 week vacation) I know that I'll get back, turn the screen on and continue where I left.
I'm glad that Windows is working for you. Now if you could only accept that maybe Linux work for someone else.
Thanks to you, I'm adding a third item on the Windows's Fanboy rules for when you have an issue with Windows:
- you are using Linux hardware
- it's your own damn fault for changing the desktop background
- you're a liar
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@acrow said in Firefox alienating its users:
Also, something a lot of Linux-users forget to mention is that they check reviews for compatibility issues before buying.
I didn't check reviews for compatibility before buying my last laptop
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@Carnage said in Firefox alienating its users:
This thread is pretty amusing with all the people saying the same things of the three big desktop OSes, and using the same explanation.
This thread is pretty amusing with all the people saying the same things of the three big desktop OSes, and using the same explanation.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Firefox alienating its users:
@Carnage said in Firefox alienating its users:
This thread is pretty amusing with all the people saying the same things of the three big desktop OSes, and using the same explanation.
This thread is pretty amusing with all the people saying the same things of the three big desktop OSes, and using the same explanation.
This thread is pretty amusing with all the people saying the same things of the three big desktop OSes, and using the same explanation.
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
I use Linux on both my home and work computer, and wouldn't go back to Windows even if Microsoft paid me to do it.
I'm open to offers, in case anyone from MS is reading.
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@loopback0 said in Firefox alienating its users:
@Lorne-Kates said in Firefox alienating its users:
@Carnage said in Firefox alienating its users:
This thread is pretty amusing with all the people saying the same things of the three big desktop OSes, and using the same explanation.
This thread is pretty amusing with all the people saying the same things of the three big desktop OSes, and using the same explanation.
This thread is pretty amusing with all the people saying the same things of the three big desktop OSes, and using the same explanation.
Not sure how well that turned out for the miners in The Expanse (which is worth a watch IMO)
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@boomzilla said in Firefox alienating its users:
I'm open to offers, in case anyone from MS is reading.
You should specify that the offer needs to be high enough to compensate for the suffering you will have with Windows Update
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@acrow said in Firefox alienating its users:
Windows and Linux
Um, actually, you misspelled Window$ and LinYucks.
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This thread is pretty amusing with all the miners saying the same things of the three big mines in the expanse, and using the same explanation.
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Is there an echo in here?
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@Zecc said in Firefox alienating its users:
Is there an echo in here?
No.
Filed under: Yes, I fucking know. Let me have this one.
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@Lorne-Kates No quack.
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
You're either intentionally being dishonest or don't actually use Windows.
Sorry, I forgot to specify I was talking about this universe, not yours where Windows Update always work perfectly
Har har. What I said stands.
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
I use Linux on both my home and work computer, and wouldn't go back to Windows even if Microsoft paid me to do it.
So there's our answer. You don't actually use Windows. So when you say that every update takes forever and has the big animation at the end, you're talking out of your ass.
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@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
You don't actually use Windows
I use it on my gaming computer, but I'm not an idiot, so it's still on Win7.
I also have a VDI running Win10 at work.
So yes, I have first hand experience with that shit
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
I like the fact that when I leave work (even for a 2 week vacation) I know that I'll get back, turn the screen on and continue where I left.
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
You don't actually use Windows
I use it on my gaming computer, but I'm not an idiot, so it's still on Win7.
I also have a VDI running Win10 at work.
So yes, I have first hand experience with that shit
Well, it is completely and utterly wrong. Not wrong as in 'my lowest common denominator build doesn't blue-screen', wrong as in that does not happen and they are not written to do that. You directly describe the update process and aesthetics of a feature update and act as if all updates were like that.
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
I like the fact that when I leave work (even for a 2 week vacation) I know that I'll get back, turn the screen on and continue where I left.
I like the fact that if there was a critical security issue found in that time, 'muh continuity' will not get in the way of a speedy patch. And updates are performed based on uptime, not elapsed time. If you leave for a two week vacation, hibernate or sleep your computer and when you come back you can pick up right where you left off. That's literally the point of hibernation - to allow seamlessness without racking up uptime.
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fucking shit windows update sneaks its way into every thread here
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
I like the fact that when I leave work (even for a 2 week vacation) I know that I'll get back, turn the screen on and continue where I left.
Me too.
But then again, I spend the end and start of every day goofing off for ~4 hours.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Firefox alienating its users:
But then again, I spend the end and start of every day goofing off for ~4 hours.
You stop goofing off for lunch?
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@bb36e said in Firefox alienating its users:
fucking shit windows update sneaks its way into every thread here
Blakey Alt detected.
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@bb36e said in Firefox alienating its users:
fucking shit windows update sneaks its way into every thread here
Windows Update. You can't avoid it.
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@dkf said in Firefox alienating its users:
@Lorne-Kates said in Firefox alienating its users:
But then again, I spend the end and start of every day goofing off for ~4 hours.
You stop goofing off for lunch?
Lunch is serious business.
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@El_Heffe said in Firefox alienating its users:
@dkf said in Firefox alienating its users:
@Lorne-Kates said in Firefox alienating its users:
But then again, I spend the end and start of every day goofing off for ~4 hours.
You stop goofing off for lunch?
Lunch is serious business.
Time is an illusion; lunchtime doubly so.
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@Zecc said in Firefox alienating its users:
@bb36e said in Firefox alienating its users:
fucking shit windows update sneaks its way into every thread here
Windows Update. You can't avoid it.
Like politics. Or weather.
You know politics have gone bad when people consider it more of a "force majeure" impediment to their life than bad weather.
You know OS development has gone off the rails when people are talking about it. It's like the phone service; it gets noticed when it doesn't work.
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@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
I like the fact that if there was a critical security issue found in that time, 'muh continuity' will not get in the way of a speedy patch.
Yes, that's the right way to think when you're using an OS that gets huge security issues patched every month
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@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
You don't actually use Windows
I use it on my gaming computer, but I'm not an idiot, so it's still on Win7.
I also have a VDI running Win10 at work.
So yes, I have first hand experience with that shit
Well, it is completely and utterly wrong. Not wrong as in 'my lowest common denominator build doesn't blue-screen', wrong as in that does not happen and they are not written to do that. You directly describe the update process and aesthetics of a feature update and act as if all updates were like that.
Your imaginary implementation details are not impressing anyone. You are the @fox of Windows Update.
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@boomzilla And don't you feel proud of that vaguely comprehensible post.
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
I like the fact that if there was a critical security issue found in that time, 'muh continuity' will not get in the way of a speedy patch.
Yes, that's the right way to think when you're using an OS that gets huge security issues patched every month
Right, whereas Linux leaves the huge security issues unpatched so versions remain stable.
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@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
Right, whereas Linux leaves the huge security issues unpatched so versions remain stable.
Right. That's why millions of Linux servers are hacked every day.
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@TimeBandit "data breach" is a wonderful news search term. And I highly doubt they're all Windows boxen.
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
Right, whereas Linux leaves the huge security issues unpatched so versions remain stable.
Right. That's why millions of Linux servers are hacked every day.
Well duh. According to the news, all you need to be a hacker is a CLI, preferably with a green-on-black color scheme. So I hack our servers every time I log in to make a quick change.
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@mott555 said in Firefox alienating its users:
According to the news, all you need to be a hacker is a CLI
and Visual Basic
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@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
And I highly doubt they're all Windows boxen.
There is too few Internet server running Windows for that
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@mott555 said in Firefox alienating its users:
@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
Right, whereas Linux leaves the huge security issues unpatched so versions remain stable.
Right. That's why millions of Linux servers are hacked every day.
Well duh. According to the news, all you need to be a hacker is a CLI, preferably with a green-on-black color scheme. So I hack our servers every time I log in to make a quick change.
Truth in television. When the target is an unsecured AWS bucket or database, left open to the internet without even a password, all you need to "hack" it is a Linux command line.