Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness
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@Jaloopa said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I'm failing to grasp where you get your Linux distros
I don't. I prefer an OS that actually works
So, you don't like to use Windows? And earlier you said that you don't use Linux either.
Do you use MacOS or Amiga? ...Or Android, I guess?
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@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I'm failing to grasp where you get your Linux distros and why.
In my case (again, a TF100TA), the instructions were for 64-bit Ubuntu. They tell you to use 64-bit and the UEFI workaround because 32-bit Ubuntu fails to boot on the device. Also, these Windows 8 era TF100s don't support a Legacy BIOS mode, or things would be much simpler.
@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
My experience with installing Linux the last ~10 years has been in the line of: ...
Glad it's worked well for you. While I'm not a big user of the Unix-like OSes, I have had a few experiences:
When I decided to build a new home server to replace my old Windows 2000 Server-based machine, I decided to move to a free OS. I put together a computer from a mix of decent parts and some I had extra and started trying to get an OS installed. Ubuntu Server failed to recognize something about my hardware and wouldn't install. Fedora (or maybe CentOS, it's been a while) looked like it installed properly, but then failed to boot because I had a small IDE drive as my boot drive and a bunch of large SATA drives for data. Some difference between the way it labeled drives in the installer and how it did it at boot time caused everything to get scrambled. The third one I tried was FreeBSD and that worked. There's still stuff I used to do with my Windows Server server I never got around to figuring out how to do with FreeBSD, but it can share files so that's something.
I have an old netbook that I don't use anymore for which I'd like to find a good use. To that end I installed a few different Linux variants in virtual machines to see what they look like nowadays and how they might did within the limitations of the netbook. They work fine in the VM, but I haven't spent much time with them and have yet to try any of them on the actual device. A computer in search of a problem.
...and that's it outside of various work projects, where the OSes involved weren't my concern.
Well, back to doing stuff with my Windows machines. Have fun with the Linux.
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@Parody said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
these Windows 8 era TF100s don't support a Legacy BIOS mode
Then how would you install XP on it? </joke>
The cheapest UEFI-era laptop I've had was a HP Stream x360 (ca. 2014.2015?), and it had legacy BIOS mode. I assumed that every laptop would have it, if HP's cheapest crap had it. Fine, you've proven me wrong there.@Parody said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Ubuntu Server failed to recognize something about my hardware and wouldn't install. Fedora (or maybe CentOS, it's been a while) looked like it installed properly, but then failed to boot
Ouch. Maybe I'm extremely lucky then. 3 headless Ubuntu Server installations and one Debian (Server), built from parts. Various desktops, also from parts. Only thing that I never got to work was the tilt-sensor on the HP Stream. Only thing that required more than an "apt-get install" to get working was a USB 3G modem.
Note that in Linux-land, I'm a mere user. For my day-job I code for embedded systems without an OS (mostly). I use linuxen day-to-day only because it saves me a ton of grief to the tune of:
https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2018/11/28/windows_10_slow_roll_out/just as I was reading this article, my screen flickered black for a moment then came back, and I now have no audio. Windows 10 (1803, not even 1809) has just "helpfully" auto-installed new - faulty - drivers for my graphics & HDMI display audio. I've now spent 10 minutes trying to roll it back, without success. Pardon me for venting my frustration in this comment.
...and bloody hell, I think it just did that same thing on my work PC too.
@Parody said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I have an old netbook that I don't use anymore for which I'd like to find a good use.
If you take recommendations, maybe try Xubuntu? Ubuntu's packages, but a lighter-weight desktop.
@Parody said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Well, back to doing stuff with my Windows machines. Have fun with the Linux.
I will, thanks.
EDIT:
Credited quotes.
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@Jaloopa said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I don't. I prefer an OS that actually works
Wow, do you have one??? Where did you find it?? Can I have one? Haven't seen any of these in decades
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@kazitor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra Windows 10 explorer has tabs? Having not used anything like that, I wonder if it's unnecessary, annoying, or actually useful.
Am I dreaming or is it 1997 again?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Here we go--- Wait, is it downloading it twice?
A/B testing on which bugs you'll get, obviously. But it won't decide which to install until it has both.
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@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
If you take recommendations, maybe try Xubuntu? Ubuntu's packages, but a lighter-weight desktop.
Didn't work for me :(
It boots up, installs and then suddenly throws some cryptic error messages and then restarts again. Ubuntu works like a charm though :) I'm bored of ubuntu though
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@stillwater said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I'm bored of ubuntu though
That's a sign of a good OS.
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@boomzilla said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
That's a sign of a good OS.
Where's the fun in an OS that is stable and predictable?
I prefer living on the edge of my seat, not knowing when my computer will say "Fuck you, I'm rebooting, and maybe I will delete your personal files, just for fun"
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@TimeBandit yes, yes. We know you like the edge of your seat fun that comes from running Linux
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@TimeBandit said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Where's the fun in an OS that is stable and predictable?
well that explains why use Windows 10
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@TimeBandit said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@boomzilla said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
That's a sign of a good OS.
Where's the fun in an OS that is stable and predictable?
I prefer living on the edge of my seat, not knowing when my computer will say "Fuck you, I'm rebooting, and maybe I will delete your personal files, just for fun"
You don't need to choose either way. Just install Debian. Then flip between the Stable, Testing and Unstable as your appetite takes you.
Wish I could do that with Windows. Too bad I can't afford the enterprise-level license fees.
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@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Just install Debian. Then flip between the Stable, Testing and Unstable as your appetite takes you.
Wish I could do that with Windows.Too bad Windows 10 Stable doesn't exist
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@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Wish I could do that with Windows. Too bad I can't afford the enterprise-level license fees.
It's called Insider Builds. Except you can't randomly toggle back/forth. And sometimes you just gotta
format c:
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@dcon said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
It's called Insider Builds.
Yes, that's for going from "testing" to "unstable". As @TimeBandit pointed out above, the question is where to find the "stable" version.
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@ixvedeusi The equivalent of Stable would be the LTSB. But, like I said, I can't afford the license fees for that. As I understand it, I'd have to have upwards of 1000 Enterprise licenses to be eligible for LTSB.
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@ixvedeusi Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC. Available only from your OEM or volume reseller, because only special-purpose devices like ATMs and medical equipment need stability, because Redmond got infected with a Reality Distortion Field.
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@Jaloopa said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
We know you like the edge of your seat fun that comes from running Linux
You just have no idea how extremely boring Linux is.
Everyday, when I leave work, I just turn off the screens, When I come back next morning, I turn them on, type my password and everything is still there exactly like I left it.
The same thing happen when I leave for vacation.
All day long, everything just work™
When I get an update notification, I click on it, type my password then let it do it's thing in the background.
When a new major version comes out, I make sure my current version is up-to-date, then, I start the upgrade process. This takes a while, but I actually can keep working on it while it's doing it. And when it's done, and when I am ready for it, I just close everything, then do a SINGLE reboot end then everything still work.
Life is boring on Linux
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@Tsaukpaetra looks like they've got some architecture-independent updates for you as well.
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@TimeBandit said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I prefer living on the edge of my seat, not knowing when my computer will say "Fuck you, I'm rebooting, and maybe I will delete your personal files, just for fun"
Liar. There are no fun drivers available for Linux hardware.
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@acrow said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I assumed that every laptop would have it, if HP's cheapest crap had it.
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
There are no fun drivers available for Linux hardware.
But you can still have fun on the CLI
# telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
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@TimeBandit Wow. Just wow. Wow. I can't even.
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Apple haven't invented Telnet yet.
$ telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl -bash: telnet: command not found
Microsoft deleted it.
>telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl 'telnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
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@mott555 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Just wow
I'm amazed it's still up after so many years
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Microsoft deleted it.
>telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl 'telnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
It's just turned off by default. You have to go to Control Panel and turn it on.
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@TimeBandit said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
There are no fun drivers available for Linux hardware.
But you can still have fun on the CLI
# telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
Works fine on GUI.
Wondering why it says it has colors on IPv6 though, that makes as much sense as HDMI background noise being improved by harmonic dissonance in the temporal plexing diaphram.
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@El_Heffe Yes but
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hm. After 1809 my mouse(pad) driver is broken.
Paradoxally i like it this way - the asus mouse driver is horrible and sensitivty is locked to a level that's 4x too low for a 4k monitor.
Alas i cannot do without the asus ATK package - if it isn't installed all the laptop specific keyboard stuff stops working.
But for now only the mouse driver is borken, which is great.
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@swayde said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
mouse(pad) driver
@swayde said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
laptop
Oh you mean touchpad.
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@mott555 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Oh you mean touchpad.
eh, close enough.
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@mott555 A mid-sized graphics tablet could probably function as a mousepad. Mine's already scratched enough that you wouldn't notice any difference.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Here we go--- Wait, is it downloading it twice?
What the crap?Status: Floored. Apparently it didn't automatically reboot. Did I accidentally hop dimensions?
Hot diggity!
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@Tsaukpaetra I think there is a setting to set active hours or something to prevent automatic reboots? Have you been letting your system reboot automatically all these days?
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@stillwater said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra I think there is a setting to set active hours or something to prevent automatic reboots? Have you been letting your system reboot automatically all these days?
I think I've been ensuring they never reboot ever, but I forgot how.
For instance, my laptop:
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@stillwater said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra I think there is a setting to set active hours or something to prevent automatic reboots? Have you been letting your system reboot automatically all these days?
Sensible people reboot their system manually.
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@pie_flavor I usually pull of a @Tsaukpaetra and never shut down/reboot my computer unless I get reallly tired of clicking the postpone button one times too many.
There was this work laptop that was really slow af and had everything under the sun installed in it. I had to work with VS, Photoshop and Power BI and a bunch of other shit all the time and shutting it down meant getting it from zero to everything started and setup.
So this shit was always on, inside the backpack on my commute, always on charge at home, backpack back on the way to office, plugged in. Never rebooted.
And once there was a security audit and the sysadmins installed a bunch of shit and wanted to restart and when i told him don't do that he just went and saw the uptime and was ed.
I guess I'm nowhere close to sensible :/
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@stillwater You know, there's a reason they have scheduled restarts. Why not just schedule it to restart while you're sleeping?
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Sensible people reboot their system manually.
Insensible OS makers don't let sensible people reboot only when they want.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Hot diggity!
Well, so far under cursory glance nothing's too broken. Noticed that my network drive thought it was disconnected at login though. Probably a known issue...
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@Zecc said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Sensible people reboot their system manually.
Insensible OS makers don't let knowledgeable sensible people reboot only when they want.
Sounds like Windows is sensible, then.
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@pie_flavor Based on your correction I take it Windows only lets unknowledgeable sensible people reboot at their discretion?
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@stillwater You know, there's a reason they have scheduled restarts. Why not just schedule it to restart while you're sleeping?
Initially after I'd updated from Win 8 to 10, I set the active hours from 12 - 6 which is when the laptop is not being used. 6 to 12 it is used one way or the other. This eventually stopped working for me because,
The laptop was a i5, 16 GB RAM and i inherited from some old dev who worked there before me. For some reason the machine was very sluggish, did not have another one and had to make do with this one. Now the main tools I was using at the time included Visual Studio, SSMS, a couple of BI tools, and MS Excel, Word and OneNote.
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All of them had to be on all the time because opening an application took close to ~5 minutes or up. The only time I closed the applications was when it crashed after being used too long.
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The BI Tools had to get data from the database and keep it in memory as long as we worked with it. The data it got was specified by complex queries. So if you opened the app, opened a project, it would popup a modal dialog that said "Fetching data x/123123010 rows fetched" or something and it took a loooooooong time. I'm talking about anywhere from 45 mins to 2 hours. The way you got new data from the tables was click on refresh and it only got the data that was new. There was no fully scanning all the data again. This means keeping data in memory all the time until the program crashed was much better than opening the application and starting it again.
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We tried all we could to fix this extremely sluggish system but gave up. It ended up being slow af anyways.
Personally, I do a update and shutdown and update and restart cycle end of day everyday. No automagic updates for me.
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@stillwater You could also make a PS script to open the relevant programs and then set it to run on startup.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@stillwater You could also make a PS script to open the relevant programs and then set it to run on startup.
Could have. Keeping it on was easier than writing a script.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@stillwater You could also make a PS script to open the relevant programs and then set it to run on startup.
This actually looks like I should get started with powershell scripting. Been postponing learning it properly for too long. Where's the powershell newbies thread around here? Or is it just official docs and move on?
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@stillwater Official docs I think.
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@stillwater said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
This actually looks like I should get started with powershell scripting. Been postponing learning it properly for too long. Where's the powershell newbies thread around here? Or is it just official docs and move on?
I share this feeling.
Here's a link that might be useful. I honestly don't remember where I got it from, it's been sitting in my ever-growing collection of browser tabs.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=42554
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@Zecc This is sweet. Where do I get these kinda guides for other MS products like SQL Server or say C# , .NET etc.,