Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time
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@Tsaukpaetra
: Hey there, we know that the other assholes in our corporation always randomly reboot shit, and we've got enough inside knowledge to detect that. We're still not sure if they've made you lose hours of work, but we can at least try to recover some of it.Gee, thanks.
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Meanwhile...
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@Gribnit said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@Zecc said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
Whether Windows will respect that or not is up to the OS, of course.
After all, it's not like it's your fucking computer.
At first I read it as "it's not like you're fucking computer", and it made perfect sense in the context of recent revolution in how sexual consent works.
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@topspin said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
I'm not sure what's more incredible. That they actually ship an "operating system" like that or that people are willing to put with it.
Each is caused by the other - a vicious circle.
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@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
I do in fact turn it off regularly. But the registry is your friend.
See, that's why Linux will never be ready for regular users. You always have to resort to the CLI or edit some obscure config files to configure something.
Oh, wait...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
Meanwhile...
So after emulating the poor design and always-in-beta trends of bad Linux distros, and the "fuck the user, give me money" ethics of mobile app developers, they're now embracing the Oracle model. Great, just great.
I'm starting to think Microsoft must have a "Chief Officer of Making Windows Worse Every Day".
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@Zerosquare said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
I'm starting to think Microsoft must have a "Chief Officer of Making Windows Worse Every Day".
Satya Nadella, perhaps? Microsoft is focused on the cloud now, and everything else is secondary. Windows is no longer a major organization within the company, having been broken up and the remains merged and renamed. Do you like thin clients with SaaS on Azure?
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@Zerosquare said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
I'm starting to think Microsoft must have a "Chief Officer of Making Windows Worse Every Day".
Probably but they're not total idiots. They know people will pay for it, and as they're one of those pesky companies who likes to make money, they sell it.
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@loopback0 said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
They know people will pay for it
Speak for yourself
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@TimeBandit A registry key file with that text in it can be distributed. I don't have to do anything in the shell.
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@TimeBandit said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@loopback0 said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
They know people will pay for it
Speak for yourself
I'll buy it when Apple invent it.
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@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@TimeBandit A registry key file with that text in it can be distributed. I don't have to do anything in the shell.
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@topspin said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
I'm not sure what's more incredible. That they actually ship an "operating system" like that
Yes, the whole updating/rebooting mechanism in Windows, especially Windows 10, is a gigantic pile of retarded fuckery.
or that people are willing to put with it.
"Forced to put up with it because there is no real alternative" is not the same as "Willing to put up with it".
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@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
the registry is your friend.
The registry is no-one's friend.
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@Atazhaia
Why not pause the video encoding, do the restart, and then continue the encoding?
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@Helix This seems fine until s/video encoding/insulin pump/
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- it's not random, it reboots within the time period specified in settings.
- Maybe, any proof? If it's critical that the system runs continually, then why not run 'pro' edition.
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@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
But the registry is your friend.
The registry is nobody's friend, as currently
usedabused.Fixing a problem should never involve editing the registry.
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@Gribnit
Since when did insulin pump software run on PCs??
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@Helix Since never. Hopefully it's even illegal, I think it would violate licence terms. But, they have poked at the embedded space before. A combination of bad decisions could get there.
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@Helix said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@Atazhaia
Why not pause the video encoding, do the restart, and then continue the encoding?Because the particular tool I was using had no pause option iirc. Once it was started it had to run to finish, any interruption would mean restart from the beginning.
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@El_Heffe said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
Yes, the whole updating/rebooting mechanism in Windows, especially Windows 10, is a gigantic pile of retarded fuckery.
My Ubuntu PC hasn't rebooted since I bought a UPS and it has all the kernel updates applied.
Meanwhile, on Windows, I need to reboot my entire computer to apply an urgent patch to Flash Player.
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@Atazhaia said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@Helix said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@Atazhaia
Why not pause the video encoding, do the restart, and then continue the encoding?Because the particular tool I was using had no pause option iirc. Once it was started it had to run to finish, any interruption would mean restart from the beginning.
How many video encoders can even pause through a full system reboot? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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@ben_lubar said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
Flash Player.
I see the problem.
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@loopback0 said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@ben_lubar said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
Flash Player.
I see the problem.
It was a forced update from Microsoft, not Adobe. I hadn't even run Edge in the last month when it happened.
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@ben_lubar Meanwhile, Linux Mint can update Adobe Flash just fine without needing a reboot. Maybe Windows tied flash technology tightly into the OS like it likes to do with web tech?
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@Atazhaia said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@ben_lubar Meanwhile, Linux Mint can update Adobe Flash just fine without needing a reboot. Maybe Windows tied flash technology tightly into the OS like it likes to do with web tech?
Also, Windows has a dumb thing where it's not able to update executables that are running, so you can't ever install an update pre-reboot.
Chromebooks do an interesting thing where every update installs an alternate copy of the OS so that the changes required to reboot are just a single bit saying "use the other copy of the OS".
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@ben_lubar Yes, because I guess the stop service -> apply update -> start service routine is too advanced a procedure for Microsoft to figure.
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@El_Heffe said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
But the registry is your friend.
The registry is nobody's friend, as currently
usedabused.Fixing a problem should never involve editing the registry.
Why? What should you be editing instead?
Make a settings menu program and distribute it.
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@ben_lubar I think Handbrake can?
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@Helix said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@Zerosquare
it's not random, it reboots within the time period specified in settings.It's not random as in "random noise".
It's random as in "can't be reasonably forecasted or controlled".
You don't get to choose if and when updates are applied. All you can do is postpone them a little, and that's assuming you're in front of the machine.If it's critical that the system runs continually, then why not run 'pro' edition.
Even the "Pro" edition doesn't guarantee this. To fully control the update mechanism, you need the "Enterprise" edition, which (besides being more expensive) can't be bought easily.
Not to mention it's an artificial limitation which shouldn't exist in the first place. Can you imagine your car working like this?
"Oh, you needed to go somewhere right now? Sorry, your car is currently updating. If it was critical to have an always-available vehicle, you should have bought the professional version."
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@Zerosquare said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@Helix said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
If it's critical that the system runs continually, then why not run 'pro' edition.
Even the "Pro" edition doesn't guarantee this. To fully control the update mechanism, you need the "Enterprise" edition, which (besides being more expensive) can't be bought easily.
Not to mention it's an artificial limitation which shouldn't exist in the first place. Can you imagine your car working like this?
"Oh, you needed to go somewhere right now? Sorry, your car is currently updating. If it was critical to have an always-available vehicle, you should have bought the professional version."QFT
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@Zerosquare said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
You don't get to choose if and when updates are applied. All you can do is postpone them a little, and that's assuming you're in front of the machine.
False. It's controlled via the registry.
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@pie_flavor: OK. Then show me an official way to disable automatic updates on Windows 10 Home Edition.
Third-party registry hacks that will probably stop working after the next update don't count. Group policies that no longer work on non-Enterprise editions don't count either.
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@El_Heffe said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
or that people are willing to put with it.
"Forced to put up with it because there is no real alternative" is not the same as "Willing to put up with it".
Ok, change it to: not revolt and demand the insanity be at least tuned down to Win 7 levels.
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@Zerosquare said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@pie_flavor: OK. Then show me an official way to disable automatic updates on Windows 10 Home Edition.
Set
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU@AUOptions
to the DWORD value 2.Third-party
registry hacks that will probably stop working after the next update don't count.
Well it's been there since at least Windows Vista.
Group policies that no longer work on non-Enterprise editions don't count either.
Group policy isn't on non-Enterprise in the first place. What do you mean 'no longer'?
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@pie_flavor Great, can you now point me towards the official Microsoft support article detailing that method. Because I tried searching the Microsoft support for disabling Windows Update and the answer was "lol nope".
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Blakey Blakey Blakey
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@pie_flavor Ok, there is an official method. Now, MS only needs to put those back in the settings, like 7 had, and it will be good.
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@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
Group policy isn't on non-Enterprise in the first place. What do you mean 'no longer'?
Something seems contradictory here....
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@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
Set
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU@AUOptions
to the DWORD value 2.Except this no longer works on current versions of Windows 10 Home:
So, try again?
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@Zerosquare I'm not saying the solution is machine learning, but it's definitely machine learning.
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@Tsaukpaetra What thing is that?
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@Zerosquare What doesn't? That article was last updated 2018 - the only thing it says is that Option 5 no longer works, when you probably want Option 2 anyway.
You could also use@NoAutoUpdate=1
instead of@AUOptions=2
.
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@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@Tsaukpaetra What thing is that?
Non-enterprise versions can do group policy. It's literally only the home versions that ever didn't, and even then that was mostly only because they didn't include the mmc snap-in that controlled the local policy registry settings.
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@Tsaukpaetra never used anything except Home. All I know is that it's doable, and official, and documented, and won't break. You all just like to complain.
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@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
You all just like to complain.
Duh.
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@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
You all just like to
complain.FTFY
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
@pie_flavor said in Next Windows 10 major update will use machine learning to "try" not to force-reboot at the wrong time:
You all just like to
both.complainFTFY