Lime scooters
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@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
I have an apartment, and my own water heater. It takes about two minutes for any hot water to show up in my bathroom in the morning1, so the first thing I do when I wake up is turn on the hot water and then go do other things while the pipes flush out. I can't imagine how much worse this would be if I got hot water from the city instead, unless the pipes are very well insulated with some recirculation in them.
Eh...I imagine it'd be more like when you're at a hotel. Unless you're the first one up, other people are probably using hot water already so it's already flowing. One nice thing about drawing from a bigger centralized boiler is that you're generally less likely to run out of hot water when multiple people shower at the same time, washing clothing in hot water, dishwasher, etc.
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@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
To be fair, I was talking about the sink, not the bathtub.
So was I. Tub spouts seemingly go full blast.
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@mott555 Offutt? Dammit, what were the chances!
Take good care of your essence then!
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@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
they took the entire building's usage and divided the bill among all the residents
Works for me. I like long, hot showers.
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@TimeBandit said in Lime scooters:
@mott555 My current apartment has a common water heater using natural gas. I can't run out of hot-water. Also, the heating is hot-water. The rent includes hot-water and heating.
My kitchen is directly above the boiler; keeps the floor cosily warm in cool weather.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
For comparison, how is it done in civilized countries?
We're putting in a district heating system at work. It's just for our campus, but since our campus is about the size of a small town that's still worthwhile. It'll probably be mostly for heating various big buildings, with (I guess) other hot water supplies driven by heat exchangers off the main circuit. It's mostly a PITA though, as they took over a nice-ish grassed area outside my office building for a builders' yard for that projectâŚ
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@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
unless the pipes are very well insulated
They probably are. With the pipes they're burying near work, about a third of the diameter is the actual steam-carrying pipe bit, and the rest is a thick insulating layer. (No idea what it's made of.)
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@dkf which is then covered in earth, which is a good insulator in and of itself.
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@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
3/4-ton diesel pickup truck
Three quarters of a ton isn't very much even for a small carâŚ
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@dkf said in Lime scooters:
Three quarters of a ton isn't very much even for a small carâŚ
It is when it is payload capacity, and when those payload capacity numbers in reference to models numbers stopped meaning anything a long time ago. What we refer to as a "3/4 ton truck" actually has a payload capacity of more like 2-2.5 tons and a towing capacity of closer to 10 tons.
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Eh. This morning when I was walking to work, there was a big to-do outside by men in various kinds of coveralls. From what I could overhear, I think something or someone important (why not both!) had gone missing and cannot be found despite the best efforts of all the folks gathered 'round the little excavator, some of them evidently helping it to stay upright, sidewinds and everything.
Also, they have put up a notice that it won't be done till next Wednesday. Color me surprised...
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Our farm truck (though it is certainly on its last legs) is a 1986 GMC sierra, heavy half ton pickup. We have certainly loaded that down with ~1ton in the bed and probably another 2 tons in the trailer. That was pushing her limits.
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@Dragoon yeah, back then "1/2 ton" and "3/4 ton" and such still meant something. Over the years the payload and towing capacities have crept up to the point that those terms are meaningless now.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
What we refer to as a "3/4 ton truck" actually has a payload capacity of more like 2-2.5 tons and a towing capacity of closer to 10 tons.
Naming things is
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The trailer we have was custom made by someone to haul their collector car around. We ended up with it as part of a debt repayment (I believe), I don't know where he got the box springs for this thing, but under a 2 ton load, they have barely started to flex yet.
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I love it when a startup outstartups another.
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@Zerosquare said in Lime scooters:
I love it when a startup outstartups another.
I was trying to the right way to express something similar to this. Hats off good sir.
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In other news, these scooters began to pop up in the city where I live. Amazingly, thieves haven't stolen all of them in 24 hours. I must admit I'm disappointed.
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@magnusmaster give it time. As soon as some enterprising thieves figure out a way to break them down and sell it off for a price that makes it worth it all if this nonsense will come to an end.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@magnusmaster give it time. As soon as some enterprising thieves figure out a way to break them down and sell it off for a price that makes it worth it all if this nonsense will come to an end.
You'd need a van with a GPS/GSM/WiFi jammer rig for pickup, and a bunker like garage (or another jammer rig) to do the stripping, but the motors and battery cells has to be worth the trouble.
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@magnusmaster said in Lime scooters:
In other news, these scooters began to pop up in the city where I live. Amazingly, thieves haven't stolen all of them in 24 hours. I must admit I'm disappointed.
They automatically call the police when stolen.
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I'm not sure if , but are you sure? I thought it was forbidden (or at least severely frowned upon) for automated systems to call the police directly, because of false positives.
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@Zerosquare So they call home, and the operator then calls the police.
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@Carnage You'd just need to throw them in a van with or without a GPS jammer, drive to a field somewhere, strip them, and then dump the bits you don't want (including the tracker) somewhere else.
By the time anyone gets interested enough to come looking, you'll be long gone.
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@gordonjcp said in Lime scooters:
@Carnage You'd just need to throw them in a van with or without a GPS jammer, drive to a field somewhere, strip them, and then dump the bits you don't want (including the tracker) somewhere else.
By the time anyone gets interested enough to come looking, you'll be long gone.
In that case, also take care that no mobiles are along for the ride. Once you've looted enough scooters, someone will make the thefts a priority, and matching mobile locations with the trackers of the scooters before the signal dies is just giving the cuff for free to the fuzz.
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@Zerosquare said in Lime scooters:
I'm not sure if , but are you sure? I thought it was forbidden (or at least severely frowned upon) for automated systems to call the police directly, because of false positives.
Apparently not, at least around here...this was in my local news this morning.
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I should have been more specific. I meant automatic calling for things that are not considered an emergency, such as reporting theft.
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@gordonjcp said in Lime scooters:
@Carnage You'd just need to throw them in a van with or without a GPS jammer, drive to a field somewhere, strip them, and then dump the bits you don't want (including the tracker) somewhere else.
By the time anyone gets interested enough to come looking, you'll be long gone.
To be fair, there is a pretty good chance that the police would get that call and prioritize it right behind three crullers and a large black coffee. They will get to it right after that. Ya know, as long as nothing else comes up. Like naptime.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@gordonjcp said in Lime scooters:
@Carnage You'd just need to throw them in a van with or without a GPS jammer, drive to a field somewhere, strip them, and then dump the bits you don't want (including the tracker) somewhere else.
By the time anyone gets interested enough to come looking, you'll be long gone.
To be fair, there is a pretty good chance that the police would get that call and prioritize it right behind three crullers and a large black coffee. They will get to it right after that. Ya know, as long as nothing else comes up. Like naptime.
I had a vehicle stolen once. Filed all the paperwork and police reports, etc., and didn't hear anything about it until 5 years later when a police investigator finally took up the case. And that was something considerably more valuable than a scooter.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@gordonjcp said in Lime scooters:
@Carnage You'd just need to throw them in a van with or without a GPS jammer, drive to a field somewhere, strip them, and then dump the bits you don't want (including the tracker) somewhere else.
By the time anyone gets interested enough to come looking, you'll be long gone.
To be fair, there is a pretty good chance that the police would get that call and prioritize it right behind three crullers and a large black coffee. They will get to it right after that. Ya know, as long as nothing else comes up. Like naptime.
Who knows, they (the police) might even be the backers of WeRippem (a hot new startup)...
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@gordonjcp said in Lime scooters:
You'd just need to throw them in a van with
or without a GPS jammera Faraday cage in the cargo space, drive to a field somewhere, strip them, and then dump the bits you don't want (including the tracker) somewhere else.
By the time anyone gets interested enough to come looking, you'll be long gone.FTFY
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@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@gordonjcp said in Lime scooters:
@Carnage You'd just need to throw them in a van with or without a GPS jammer, drive to a field somewhere, strip them, and then dump the bits you don't want (including the tracker) somewhere else.
By the time anyone gets interested enough to come looking, you'll be long gone.
To be fair, there is a pretty good chance that the police would get that call and prioritize it right behind three crullers and a large black coffee. They will get to it right after that. Ya know, as long as nothing else comes up. Like naptime.
I had a vehicle stolen once. Filed all the paperwork and police reports, etc., and didn't hear anything about it until 5 years later when a police investigator finally took up the case. And that was something considerably more valuable than a scooter.
Thing is, you are a single citizen that in the grander scheme of politics means pretty much fuck all.
Lime and the other sleazetards are companies with a fair bit of capital behind them. They can make stuff happen in ways a single average citizen can't.
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@TimeBandit said in Lime scooters:
I hear the average lifetime of those things around here is three months; before they wind up in a river or in a trashcan or just plain vandalized.
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@Zecc said in Lime scooters:
I hear the average lifetime of those things around here is three months; before they wind up in a river or in a trashcan or just plain vandalized.
Or run over by police cars?
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@TimeBandit said in Lime scooters:
thatâs electric and thus carbon-free
there should be prison sentence for that sentenceš.
(along with the sentence âwe can't stop the project now that we've invested all that money in itâ)
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@Bulb said in Lime scooters:
(along with the sentence âwe can't stop the project now that we've invested all that money in itâ)
It's even got its own name: Sunk Cost Fallacy.
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@Bulb said in Lime scooters:
(along with the sentence âwe can't stop the project now that we've invested all that money in itâ)
On some projects I have strongly wished that I could wheel Malcolm Tucker in to scream that 'The fcking costs aren't just sunk, they drowned so long ago they're haunting a fking ship!'
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@Zecc I know. But many politicians clearly never heard of it.
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Lime scooters are available in Montreal since today
The conditions Montreal has set for the company to operate an e-scooter service are among the most strict in the world.
Users must leave the scooters in one of the designated parking zones which are painted on streets and only four scooters per spot are allowed.
The mandatory helmets aren't a requirement in most other cities, either.
After the ride, users must photograph their e-scooter in the spot â proving they've followed the rules.
Scooters will be limited to a top speed of 20 km/h and will be prohibited on sidewalks and on roads where the speed limit exceeds 50 km/h.
Users will also have to take a short online training course when they first activate the mobile application. Both Lime and JUMP bikes can only be used between April 15 and Nov. 15.
Maybe it won't be that bad
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@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
You'd need a van with a GPS/GSM/WiFi jammer rig for pickup
Any particular reason why a homemade Faraday cage wouldn't work just as well for a fraction of the price?
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Lime scooters:
@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
You'd need a van with a GPS/GSM/WiFi jammer rig for pickup
Any particular reason why a homemade Faraday cage wouldn't work just as well for a fraction of the price?
I am probably wrong about it, but I have vague memories of faraday cages not properly blocking out high frequencies from my physics class.
And short range signal blockers aren't terribly expensive so if all you want to cover is the van, it should be cheap enough. Building the faraday cage inside of the van will reduce the loading volume so you can grab fewer muppetmobiles in one go, and if you want to field strip them you've also made the working area a lot more cramped.
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@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
I am probably wrong about it, but I have vague memories of faraday cages not properly blocking out high frequencies from my physics class.
As with so many things, "it depends."
A windowless van, itself, forms a pretty good Faraday shield, except for the driver's windows. Put a metal wall between the driver's compartment and the cargo area, and you've got a good Faraday shield. Just make sure all the pieces are well connected electrically and any incidental holes (handles, gaps between panels, etc.) are smaller than the wavelengths you want to block, and you're good to go.
As long as you want to keep external radio signals (e.g., GPS) from getting to your illicit cargo. If you want to keep the cargo from broadcasting an "I don't know where I am, but follow this signal to find me" beacon, that's a little more difficult. Any Faraday shield is good at blocking external EM waves from getting in, but to block an internal source from radiating out, it needs to be grounded (earthed, for those of you on the other side of the pond), and that's hard to do properly for a vehicle with rubber tires.
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@HardwareGeek said in Lime scooters:
Any Faraday shield is good at blocking external EM waves from getting in, but to block an internal source from radiating out, it needs to be grounded (earthed, for those of you on the other side of the pond), and that's hard to do properly for a vehicle with rubber tires.
If the pavement were a better conductor you could put a brush under the vehicle. But it isn't. So that won't work.
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@Polygeekery Yeah. That's good enough for preventing static charge buildup, but not for RF grounding.
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@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
@Mason_Wheeler said in Lime scooters:
@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
You'd need a van with a GPS/GSM/WiFi jammer rig for pickup
Any particular reason why a homemade Faraday cage wouldn't work just as well for a fraction of the price?
I am probably wrong about it, but I have vague memories of faraday cages not properly blocking out high frequencies from my physics class.
And short range signal blockers aren't terribly expensive so if all you want to cover is the van, it should be cheap enough. Building the faraday cage inside of the van will reduce the loading volume so you can grab fewer muppetmobiles in one go, and if you want to field strip them you've also made the working area a lot more cramped.
What about just building a catapult on the back of a truck so that you can more easily throw them in to a body of water?
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@Polygeekery The context was thieves setting up, basically, a scooter chop shop. There's no profit in tossing them in the river.