I hate printers, with a passion
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Yeah, the one where Windows can't find its way out of a wet paper bag, much less a printer unless it talks to the mothership first and downloads 100+ MB of drivers, not to mention crappy printer vendor applications that get installed and run on startup whose only purpose is to waste resources on your PC to remind you to buy their toner or ink.
Bullshit.
Only if by "dealing with" you mean "accepting an extended version of Internet Printing Protocol", which is the basis for AirPrint.
Knowing Apple's history of patent bullying and twisting standards to only work with their stuff, I'd keep my company as far away from their inventions as possible.
Yet when I plug in new printer...
If you have to plug it into the computer you are -- death to USB printers, network printers all the way.
Yeah, fighting with network configuration every time I drag the printer out of a closet sounds like such a great idea. Or you mean keeping it powered up all the time, wasting space and energy for no reason?
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@Gąska said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@pie_flavor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Yeah, the one where Windows can't find its way out of a wet paper bag, much less a printer unless it talks to the mothership first and downloads 100+ MB of drivers, not to mention crappy printer vendor applications that get installed and run on startup whose only purpose is to waste resources on your PC to remind you to buy their toner or ink.
You're adorable. Every printer I've ever used worked first try with zero drivers. Because, hint, Microsoft had that whole "universal standard" thing figured out back when Apple was still trying to figure out touchscreens.
EARTH-73 ALERT!
Fun game: install a fresh Windows copy without internet connection of any kind at all, then try to use a printer.
Wait, you've got a Windows install which works offline? Witchcraft!
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@Gąska said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Fun game: install a fresh Windows copy without internet connection of any kind at all, then try to use a printer.
My last two printers have had drivers loaded on the printer itself. Just connect to the printer and you can install the drivers. No Internet connection required.
I win
In all fairness, most printers don't work that way, but should.
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@El_Heffe said in I hate printers, with a passion:
My last two printers have had drivers loaded on the printer itself. Just connect to the printer and you can install the drivers.
Wow, that doesn't sound like it could be used maliciously at all!
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@error printers? Malicious? Why would you think that?
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@Gąska said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@error printers? Malicious? Why would you think that?
What's the difference between printers and malware?
You don't pay for malware.
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More than 15 years ago, I remember printers (pretty sure they were HP) already being used as an example in a networking course, to illustrate the fact that some devices "phone home" (and that a properly configured network should block that).
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@Zerosquare said in I hate printers, with a passion:
I remember printers (pretty sure they were HP) already being used as an example in a networking course, to illustrate the fact that some devices "phone home" (and that a properly configured network should block that).
I assume these were colour laser printers because I'm reliably informed inkjets don't do networking?
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@loopback0 said in I hate printers, with a passion:
because I'm reliably informed inkjets don't do networking?
I can attest that InkJet printers do a very good job of not-working...... oh, wait a minute.....nevermind.....
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@TheCPUWizard said in I hate printers, with a passion:
I can attest that
InkJetprinters do a very good job of not-working...... oh, wait a minute.....nevermind.....
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@pie_flavor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
You are a retard.
And your mom slept with me 9 months before giving birth to you, what does that make you then, huh?
Taking credit for him does you no favours.
@El_Heffe said in I hate printers, with a passion:
This is why everyone hates you.
Because I am smarter and less shallow than all of you?
Oh, you.
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Have any of you actually done anything with printing? Because holy shit is there is a lot of BS in this thread.
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@Dragoon said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Have any of you actually done anything with printing? Because holy shit is there is a lot of BS in this thread.
I hear that is actually a 3D organic printer that can literally print shit! Does that count?
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@Dragoon said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Have any of you actually done anything with printing? Because holy shit is there is a lot of BS in this thread.
I started this about a consumer appliance printer for I-need-two-pages-of-black-and-white. I couldn’t give two shits (in that context at least) about CMYK color spaces, network printing protocols, or anything else that doesn’t relate to the fact that printers sold to normal consumers are an absolute scam.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Gąska said in I hate printers, with a passion:
...to enter Wi-Fi password with arrows. But you do you.
Who said anything about entering Wi-Fi passwords? There is this thing called Ethernet cable you know.
USB cable bad, Ethernet cable good?
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@levicki you two should get a room already.
Filed under: and take whoever’s mom with you.
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@loopback0 said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Gąska said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Ethernet cable good?
As long as it's gold-plated.
You can really hear how vibrant the cyan is over vinyl.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@pie_flavor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
You are a retard.
And your mom slept with me 9 months before giving birth to you, what does that make you then, huh?
9 months straight? Didn't you get tired?
@pie_flavor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Every printer I've ever used worked first try with zero drivers.
Liar.
Retard.
Because, hint, Microsoft had that whole "universal standard" thing figured out
And exactly what standard that may have been so far back? RS-232? Yeah, they figured that one really great.
Hell if I know. I don't care what it is. All I care is that it works, first try, with zero twiddling and only a little bit of swearing.
You are under this creative delusion that Apple is doing something brave and new by having some special protocol.
Nope, that's how you read into what I am saying.
They're just doing the same old "Apple products only work with Apple products" bullshit they've always done.
And that confirms you paid zero attention to what I said because as I said AirPrint is supported by all major printer brands after Apple beat them into submission and it works out of the box in Linux as well assuming that part of the out of the box software is software made by apple.
And do you know how long that adoption took?
So what is Apple doing? A sensible thing -- they built AirPrint as an extension of Internet Printing Protocol.
And what is Microsoft doing? It's their Web Services Devices API and WS-Discovery bullshit which is proprietary, but of course I don't expect you to understand this because I know it's you who is retarded and I know that the fact that WSD didn't exist before July 1, 2009 won't stop you believing that it somehow predates Internet Printing Protocol.
Like I said. I don't care how or why it works. It just works. And you're saying everyone should switch to something else, when what we have works just fine.
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@levicki it is a shame that you are so used to your technology requiring lots of twiddling and swearing to get right that you cannot fathom Windows being any different. You should try Windows sometime. Windows: It Genuinely Doesn't Suck™
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@levicki that's what you get for using Apple.
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@levicki Ah, so you actually do run unfinished alpha trial versions of it every day. Tip: your usability experience improves if you don't check the 'ignore usability experience in favor of the absolute latest there is to offer' box. There are in fact release channels faster than 'stable' but less fast than 'absolute latest' - are you saying Apple doesn't even have the latter?
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@pie_flavor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Windows: It Genuinely Doesn't Suck™
It's also produced by a company that, for all of its other faults, is not rabidly amti-repair.
other companies what I won't name but Louis Rossman will rant about for entertaining hours of youtubery have decided that if you have their products and they fail, the correct solution to that failure is to replace the entire device (or if not the entire device, the single board of electronics that has had everything glued on so it all has to be replaced as a unit)
so... yeah Windows doesn't Suck, plus they let you fix your own devices for less than the cost of buying a new one
but, you know... if certain individuals have bought into the cult of the fruit(cake) then.... well they can waste their money on that shite, but if they try to tell me it's better.... sorry Imma laugh in their face. Witht he volume of a fog horn if I can manage it.
:-)
Share and enjoy! - From your friends at the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation
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@error said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Sirius Cybernetics Corporation
They sound serious.
Share and enjoy!
-produces a styrofoam cup of a liquid almost, but not quite, entirely unlike Tea.-
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@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
get a SIM card from a MVNO that doesn't fuck you about like the first party carriers do
Yup. Our phones are on a family plan from a T-Mo MVNO - $30/mo for the first line, $20/mo for each additional line, voice and text are AYCE, 5 GB LTE data for each line. Oh, and they allow tethering, too.
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@lolwhat said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
get a SIM card from a MVNO that doesn't fuck you about like the first party carriers do
Yup. Our phones are on a family plan from a T-Mo MVNO - $30/mo for the first line, $20/mo for each additional line, voice and text are AYCE, 5 GB LTE data for each line. Oh, and they allow tethering, too.
that's not bad.
I'm on Fi myself. and the overlord of the internet charges me 20$ for the first line, 15$ for additional lines, and 10$/GB data used up to the Data Cap (the limit varies depending on how many people are on the plan, it's 6GB for one line, or 10GB for two) after hitting the data cap additional data is free, but speed limited. Or I can decide to go back to full speed for.... you guessed it 10$/GB
plus, on devices that support the advanced features of the SIM card I get Multi Carrier coverage....
so yeah. beat that on a first party carrier! I DARE YOU! :spanish_inquisition:
.... uhh..... that was unexpected. That was supposed to be an ominous thunderclap.... but instead...
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@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Share and enjoy! - From your friends at the complaints department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation
FTFY
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@PleegWat said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Share and enjoy! - From your friends at the complaints department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation
FTFY
“A bunch of jerks who were first up against the wall when the revolution came.”
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@Vixen $10 per GB? Holy hell, that's expensive!
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@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
if you have their products and they fail, the correct solution to that failure is to replace the entire device (or if not the entire device, the single board of electronics that has had everything glued on so it all has to be replaced as a unit)
And the geniuses they hire will only do the minimal check needed to deny a repair, rather than looking for things that in some cases are as simple as un-bending a single pin
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@Rhywden said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen $10 per GB? Holy hell, that's expensive!
for non US carriers, yes.
for US carriers it's dirt cheap.
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@hungrier said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
if you have their products and they fail, the correct solution to that failure is to replace the entire device (or if not the entire device, the single board of electronics that has had everything glued on so it all has to be replaced as a unit)
And the geniuses they hire will only do the minimal check needed to deny a repair, rather than looking for things that in some cases are as simple as un-bending a single pin
or plugging the battery back in after they removed it to test the board.
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@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Rhywden said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen $10 per GB? Holy hell, that's expensive!
for non US carriers, yes.
for US carriers it's dirt cheap.
As a note, .fi only charges for the actual data used. So if you use 1.5 GB, you get charged $15 (for the data, not counting the base $20 fee). I'm be in the $30 range ($20 base + 1-2 GB of data), rarely more. Compared to when I had T-mobile, I had a 5 GB plan (but rarely used it) and spent $70+.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Rhywden said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen $10 per GB? Holy hell, that's expensive!
for non US carriers, yes.
for US carriers it's dirt cheap.
As a note, .fi only charges for the actual data used. So if you use 1.5 GB, you get charged $15 (for the data, not counting the base $20 fee). I'm be in the $30 range ($20 base + 1-2 GB of data), rarely more. Compared to when I had T-mobile, I had a 5 GB plan (but rarely used it) and spent $70+.
this is true. they advertise 10$/GB because that's easier for people to parse. they charge 0.01$/Megabyte
i have yet to confirm wether they use 1000MB GBs or if they give you those last 24MB for free.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Rhywden said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen $10 per GB? Holy hell, that's expensive!
for non US carriers, yes.
for US carriers it's dirt cheap.
As a note, .fi only charges for the actual data used. So if you use 1.5 GB, you get charged $15 (for the data, not counting the base $20 fee). I'm be in the $30 range ($20 base + 1-2 GB of data), rarely more. Compared to when I had T-mobile, I had a 5 GB plan (but rarely used it) and spent $70+.
My sister regularly spends over 10GB of data per month. And there's the other 4 people on the plan. IIRC the total is like $150 for 5 numbers?
Recently I found out about Mint Mobile, who have unlimited talk & text plans with 3GB for $15, or 8GB for $20 - and they allow tethering. They use T-Mobile network, and I have exactly the same reception (or lack thereof) as real T-Mobile. The only downside is that you have to pay for 12 months up front (you can also choose 3 or 6 month plan, but they're $5 more per month.) We're considering moving all our numbers there.
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@Gąska said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Benjamin-Hall said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Rhywden said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen $10 per GB? Holy hell, that's expensive!
for non US carriers, yes.
for US carriers it's dirt cheap.
As a note, .fi only charges for the actual data used. So if you use 1.5 GB, you get charged $15 (for the data, not counting the base $20 fee). I'm be in the $30 range ($20 base + 1-2 GB of data), rarely more. Compared to when I had T-mobile, I had a 5 GB plan (but rarely used it) and spent $70+.
My sister regularly spends over 10GB of data per month. And there's the other 4 people on the plan. IIRC the total is like $150 for 5 numbers?
Recently I found out about Mint Mobile, who have unlimited talk & text plans with 3GB for $15, or 8GB for $20 - and they allow tethering. They use T-Mobile network, and I have exactly the same reception (or lack thereof) as real T-Mobile. The only downside is that you have to pay for 12 months up front (you can also choose 3 or 6 month plan, but they're $5 more per month.) We're considering moving all our numbers there.
FI has a cap on the data charges--use more than 6 GB (and less than 22(?), where they start throttling you) and you only pay $80 total. They just instituted an "unlimited" (throttles at like 122 GB) for $70 IIRC.
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@Benjamin-Hall but is it still-very-much-usable-why-would-anyone-pay-for-anything-faster kind of throttle, or technically-it's-there-but-it's-basically-unusable-for-anything-you-won't-even-be-able-to-check-mail-most-of-the-time, T-Mobile-style throttle?
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@Gąska said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Benjamin-Hall but is it still-very-much-usable-why-would-anyone-pay-for-anything-faster kind of throttle, or technically-it's-there-but-it's-basically-unusable-for-anything-you-won't-even-be-able-to-check-mail-most-of-the-time, T-Mobile-style throttle?
256 k, IIRC. But I've never even come close.
And I think all of those limits apply per line, with a discount on additional lines.
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@Benjamin-Hall yeah. it throttles to a quarter k per second. fast enough to do like light web browsing for "when does the movie theatre open" or "what's playing tonight" but slow enough to not want to stream video.
and you can get the full speed back if you want, you just pay for all the data instead of just the data up to your cap.
which honestly how dod you use that much data without being on wifi anyway? like..... IJDGI
sure i have a data only sim in my laptop, but the times i need it and am away from wifi I like use so little data it's not even funny.
and even then that's like one day a month at worst. you can only do so much damage in a day.....
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
If Windows was a car you would end up injured or dead in the timespan between two patch Tuesdays unless you religiously followed @CarUpdate Twitter feed to learn the workarounds for the current batch of life threatening issues your perpetually broken car has this week.
You're saying the Windows car is a Tesla?
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@levicki Yeah, I'm sure the, like, five people who bought surround sound and use it for gaming having to wait a week until they can use it is totally gonna make them switch to Apple.
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@Gąska said in I hate printers, with a passion:
They use T-Mobile network, and I have exactly the same reception (or lack thereof) as real T-Mobile.
As a long-time T-Mobile customer, this is not a point in their favor.
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@HardwareGeek depends on where you live.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
nothing anybody does on Windows is important enough to demand some quality assurance
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@dkf said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@kazitor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Put differently: if you just want a cartridge of black, get a super-fancy printer that has one in addition to its 20 other cartridges, or stick with a plain B&W where the black is intended to look black.
It depends on whose printer you buy. Canon printers (or at least all the ones I've had) come with separately-replaceable tanks per colour, as well as two black tanks, one for darkening colours and the other for monochrome content. Even better, I don't have to use Canon's own ink to do the refills.
Some of the nicer models (like mine) even go through a special process to seal the tanks and do a quick clean of the print head when it's been idle for a certain amount of time. In 5 years, I've yet to have the print head get clogged or a tank dry out.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Gąska Then perhaps it's time for Windows to become free of charge?
Hello time traveller! You seem to have missed 2015.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Hell, by your logic, nothing anybody does on Windows is important enough to demand some quality assurance so next time when Winodws Update breaks that MRI scanner you need for your urgent brain surgery don't come here to complain that you have to wait for a patch.
Hence why Windows Update is typically disabled/neutered. Until it un-disables itself unexpectedly.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@pie_flavor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@levicki Yeah, I'm sure the, like, five people who bought surround sound and use it for gaming having to wait a week until they can use it is totally gonna make them switch to Apple.
So in your opinion what is current Windows user base demographic? Is it just gamers at this point? Because games are obviously the only thing that uses multi-channel sound, there are no audio professionals working on DAWs and creating surround content on Windows.
And even if it was "only gaming, and that can wait" what about people who are competing? Should they cancel their tournament entry and lose money because Microsoft can't keep their shit together for 2 weeks without breaking things that should never break?
Hell, by your logic, nothing anybody does on Windows is important enough to demand some quality assurance so next time when Winodws Update breaks that MRI scanner you need for your urgent brain surgery don't come here to complain that you have to wait for a patch.
It is ridiculous how much hate people can spew against free and open source software when it doesn't work, but the software they paid for can be broken as shit and they won't admit it because that would mean they wasted their money and nobody wants to admit they are stupid. At least be fucking consistent.
Nobody fucking uses surround sound for video games. Anyone at least halfway serious about gaming to the point that they'd spend that much on it always uses headphones. Why do you think Microsoft was so late to find out? People with surround sound use it for watching movies and shows.
And the reason I bring up gaming is that if you took the two fucking seconds to read the actual notes you'd figure out that it's an issue specifically affecting video games. But no, you wouldn't be @levicki if you weren't partly objectively wrong about literally everything you say.