A critical reflection on GDPR
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@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
But how many stupid middle eastern laws are middle easterners pushing that disrupt commerce and the sharing of baby pictures, eh?
Only one. But that one is particularly radiant, one might even say radioactively so.
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@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
But how many stupid middle eastern laws are middle easterners pushing that disrupt commerce and the sharing of baby pictures, eh?
Only one. But that one is particularly radiant, one might even say radioactively so.
You're going to have to explain that a lot better than this.
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@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
But how many stupid middle eastern laws are middle easterners pushing that disrupt commerce and the sharing of baby pictures, eh?
Only one. But that one is particularly radiant, one might even say radioactively so.
You're going to have to explain that a lot better than this.
A nuclear explosion is a bit more disruptive to commerce than Facebook regulations.
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@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
Yes, it's a shame Europe screwed up the Middle East so badly during the first World War that we're still struggling to straighten it out a hundred years later.
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@mott555 said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
Yes, it's a shame Europe screwed up the Middle East so badly during the first World War that we're still struggling to straighten it out a hundred years later.
It's not like you're not actively fanning the flames right now, so please, spare us.
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@rhywden Oh come on. We're the ones trying to keep a lid on the whole mess and keep it from spreading, rather than welcoming it in and castigating those with the good sense to not do likewise!
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@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
But how many stupid middle eastern laws are middle easterners pushing that disrupt commerce and the sharing of baby pictures, eh?
Only one. But that one is particularly radiant, one might even say radioactively so.
You're going to have to explain that a lot better than this.
A nuclear explosion is a bit more disruptive to commerce than Facebook regulations.
You are so retarded.
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@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@mott555 said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
Yes, it's a shame Europe screwed up the Middle East so badly during the first World War that we're still struggling to straighten it out a hundred years later.
It's not like you're not actively fanning the flames right now, so please, spare us.
Yes, this is much better:
Because that's apparently what you're advocating (assuming you're referring to the JCPOA).
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@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
That's the UK's mess. They've barely even tried to clean it up.
@mott555 said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Yes, it's a shame Europe screwed up the Middle East so badly during the first World War that we're still struggling to straighten it out a hundred years later.
^- what he said.
I guess not only is Germany really bad at making social networks, they're also pretty shaky on their history lessons, too.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
I guess not only is Germany really bad at making social networks
When you'll drop this bullshit already? Existence of a certain class of product originating from a certain country has nothing to do whatsoever with the skill of workforce in that country.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
When you'll drop this bullshit already?
Aw the euroweenies are angry.
Ok fine; why are there zero industries that Europe dominates and that the US is dependent on? Zero. Even Japan has a couple. China has a lot. Europe has zero.
From my cushy seat here in the beautiful US of A, I see:
- Europe universally adopts US computer OS and office software, then gets pissy at it and sues it
- Europe universally adopts US credit card system, then gets pissy at it and sues it
- Europe universally adopts US social networking site, then gets pissy at it and sues it
etc.
I'm just pattern-matching here.
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@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
The Middle East fights back.
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@topspin Congratulations! You've just volunteered to become Inedo's GDPR compliance officer! Because even though Inedo is a United States company with no employees or offices in the EU, and doesn't do any of the things you're complaining about, since EU citizens can access TDWTF they need an EU-resident GDPR compliance officer or else face $23.85 million in fines. Even if it otherwise complied fully with the GDPR.
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@twelvebaud said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@topspin Congratulations! You've just volunteered to become Inedo's GDPR compliance officer!
Even if it otherwise complied fully with the GDPR.
Fine, whatever. Doesn't sound like much work if the latter is true. I'll take $20 a month, payable in Lorne-Coins.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
When you'll drop this bullshit already?
Aw the euroweenies are angry.
Ok fine; why are there zero industries that Europe dominates and that the US is dependent on? Zero. Even Japan has a couple. China has a lot. Europe has zero.
From my cushy seat here in the beautiful US of A, I see:
- Europe universally adopts US computer OS and office software, then gets pissy at it and sues it
- Europe universally adopts US credit card system, then gets pissy at it and sues it
- Europe universally adopts US social networking site, then gets pissy at it and sues it
etc.
I'm just pattern-matching here.
Yeah, it's a blessing that computer technologies create such a tight network of interdependent components that it's impossible to separate and illegal to replicate the systems you (or your dependencies, or their dependencies, or their dependencies) depend on! Imagine how rich Europe would be if medicine only worked if stored in Bayer bottles! Or if internal combustion engines only worked in Benz chassis!
Notice how the three things you mentioned all create strong network effect where the usefulness of the product is stricly correlated with number of users. It's mostly down to luck who's first, and once someone is first, they automatically become the biggest, and it's almost impossible to compete with the biggest. Though in case of social media, there's one more important factor at play: fashion. Many people have Facebook account for the same reason they buy Adidas shoes.
Also, Mastercard and Visa are actually both results of mergers of American and European companies.
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@blakeyrat Cue Trump ranting about "OMG, there's German cars everywhere. They dare to sell more than they buy from us. This madness must be stopped."
Of course, all the while ignoring that it's actually just a small fraction of the market and a majority of it is even manufactured in the states. But hey, we were talking about stupid arguments, right?!
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Also, Mastercard and Visa are actually both results of mergers of American and European companies.
And neither are "universally adopted".
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
That's the UK's mess. They've barely even tried to clean it up.
@mott555 said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Yes, it's a shame Europe screwed up the Middle East so badly during the first World War that we're still struggling to straighten it out a hundred years later.
^- what he said.
I guess not only is Germany really bad at making social networks, they're also pretty shaky on their history lessons, too.
Not to mention that a significant part of the mess is a response to the creation of a national homeland for Jews, and the creation of that homeland was largely a response to somebody exterminating millions of Jews. So whose problem is it?
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@topspin they're universally adopted if you have both.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
It's mostly down to luck who's first, and once someone is first, they automatically become the biggest, and it's almost impossible to compete with the biggest.
All hail MySpace!
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@boomzilla I love when people quote a part of post and reply without bothering to read the very next sentence!
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla I love when people quote a part of post and reply without bothering to read the very next sentence!
I love it when people dismiss a post for irrelevant reasons!
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@boomzilla it's hard to imagine anyone writing those words for any other reason than to prove me wrong.
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@hardwaregeek said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
That's the UK's mess. They've barely even tried to clean it up.
@mott555 said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Yes, it's a shame Europe screwed up the Middle East so badly during the first World War that we're still struggling to straighten it out a hundred years later.
^- what he said.
I guess not only is Germany really bad at making social networks, they're also pretty shaky on their history lessons, too.
Not to mention that a significant part of the mess is a response to the creation of a national homeland for Jews, and the creation of that homeland was largely a response to somebody exterminating millions of Jews. So whose problem is it?
I think he's really just butthurt that so many German companies are going to be impacted by the sanctions after making deals with the Mullahs. It could explain why he thinks that's all the result of a law passed by a middle eastern country that was invaded by the US. I wonder if he thinks the Iranian nuclear holocaust will come before the Great European Reactor Meltdown Holocaust.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla it's hard to imagine anyone writing those words for any other reason than to prove me wrong.
And successfully, too!
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
It's mostly down to luck who's first, and once someone is first, they automatically become the biggest, and it's almost impossible to compete with the biggest.
Well this is just stupid. In none of these examples:
Europe universally adopts US computer OS and office software, then gets pissy at it and sues it
Europe universally adopts US credit card system, then gets pissy at it and sues it
Europe universally adopts US social networking site, then gets pissy at it and sues itwas the first one (or two or three (or dozens in the case of OS)) to market the one that is currently on top.
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@ben_lubar said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@unperverted-vixen said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@coldandtired That only works for ones under 10.
Not all of the ones under 10, even. The first two are iffy depending on who you ask.
Everyone loves the ninth one, though.
The one that has about much weight in court as the tenth?
Although given that SCOTUS basically reaffirmed that Wickard v. Filburn wasn't a mistake in their ruling on Gonzales v. Raich (among other examples), I'd say that none of them mean all that much because SCOTUS will just change their interpretation to suit the political winds and ignore your complaints about expecting the words to actually mean something concrete.
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@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla it's hard to imagine anyone writing those words for any other reason than to prove me wrong.
And successfully, too!
Yeah, except no.
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@dragoon said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
It's mostly down to luck who's first, and once someone is first, they automatically become the biggest, and it's almost impossible to compete with the biggest.
Well this is just stupid. In none of these examples:
Europe universally adopts US computer OS and office software, then gets pissy at it and sues it
Europe universally adopts US credit card system, then gets pissy at it and sues it
Europe universally adopts US social networking site, then gets pissy at it and sues itwas the first one (or two or three (or dozens in the case of OS)) to market the one that is currently on top.
Okay, the first = biggest was a bit too far reaching. But the second part (that the biggest usually stays the biggest forever) still stands.
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@hardwaregeek said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Not to mention that a significant part of the mess is a response to the creation of a national homeland for Jews
And I guess invading Iraq was also a response to Israel?
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@topspin can we move this topic to Garage already? I have a few WTC conspiracy theories I'd love to share with you.
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@topspin The mess long pre-dates the invasion of Iraq. The invasion made it worse, to be sure, and is responsible for a lot of the current state of the mess. But the mess was already there.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
But the second part (that the biggest usually stays the biggest forever) still stands.
Except for the myriad of examples throughout history of that not being the case.
Don't get me wrong, being first is a serious leg up. But it is only one factor amongst many that determine who wins the consumer. Being able to convince the consumer that what you are selling is better than what they have is how you win the market. Just look at who owns the share of the cell phone market the last ~20 years, it has moved between how many companies?
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@hardwaregeek said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@topspin The mess long pre-dates the invasion of Iraq. The invasion made it worse, to be sure, and is responsible for a lot of the current state of the mess. But the mess was already there.
The mess predates Christianity.
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@hardwaregeek said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@topspin The mess long pre-dates the invasion of Iraq. The invasion made it worse, to be sure, and is responsible for a lot of the current state of the mess. But the mess was already there.
That I can agree with.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
WTC conspiracy theories
I saw WTC and at first it looked similar to BTC and my mind was trying to figure out which altcoin WTC is.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@topspin can we move this topic to Garage already? I have a few WTC conspiracy theories I'd love to share with you.
Um, what? I didn't move the conversation to the middle east.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
why are there zero industries that Europe dominates and that the US is dependent on?
Really?
https://i.imgur.com/tzImOuI.png
Not to mention...
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@dragoon said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
But the second part (that the biggest usually stays the biggest forever) still stands.
Except for the myriad of examples throughout history of that not being the case.
Did any of those myriads of examples have millions of programs in active use by companies big and small all around the world that depended on them?
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@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Great European Reactor Meltdown Holocaust.
Wow we might have to all live on refrigerator-boats.
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@topspin said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@topspin can we move this topic to Garage already? I have a few WTC conspiracy theories I'd love to share with you.
Um, what? I didn't move the conversation to the middle east.
Thanks goodness. I don't want to participate badly enough to buy a plane ticket!
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Blackberry did.
When IBM lost to Microsoft, it did.
The fact that we don't all drive Fords.
Airbus still existing.
Airlines in general for that matter.
Rise of Amazon
NetflixSo yeah, I think we can say that it is possible to compete against the current giant and do okay (even if you can't completely eliminate them).
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@dragoon Yeah, but you need to overcome a shitload of investment and inertia, so it takes a while.
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@dragoon said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Blackberry did.
It might be a valid example. I don't know for sure because I'm too young to remember. Was there much software that only worked on Blackberry?
@dragoon said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
When IBM lost to Microsoft, it did.
Wasn't MS-DOS 100% compatible with IBM's system?
@dragoon said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
The fact that we don't all drive Fords.
Airbus still existing.
Airlines in general for that matter.
Rise of Amazon
NetflixNone of these is about software dependencies.
The bottom line is. US companies' superiority in software space has nothing to do with the competence of European programmers.
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@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Wasn't MS-DOS 100% compatible with IBM's system?
It was 0% compatible with OS/360 (one of IBM's systems.) Not even the character set was the same.
It was IBM's system for desktop computers. Which BTW is widely considered one of IBM's worst strategic blunders ever.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Wasn't MS-DOS 100% compatible with IBM's system?
It was 0% compatible with OS/360 (one of IBM's systems.) Not even the character set was the same.
My bad. My knowledge about things that died before I was born is very spotty.
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Do you English?
This is a UK-based company (and, in context, this mail is sorta-legitimate.)
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@pjh by the way, what does this entire thing fix apart from "users are not trained well enough to dismiss dialogues without reading them"?
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@ben_lubar it gets to give them a feeling of superiority.