A critical reflection on GDPR
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I'm sure you're technically correct, but I've never heard the word used that way. What the fuck ever.
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@blakeyrat It's a right-pondian usage. In the US, it means (only) what you said.
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@benjamin-hall I thought it meant that a bunch of cows were talking about it
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
The approach that's being mooted is to have one big bill that passes everything we currently follow just because it's an EU law, for minimal disruption, then things can be examined, changed or repealed as and when
"Being mooted" in the US implies the solution was discussed and rejected. I assume it means the solution was discussed and accepted over there in Eurotania? Otherwise, your post makes no sense to me.
"being mooted" is an expression only used in the UK. No other EU country that I can think of uses English. So please continue bashing your 51st state but leave the EU out of it.
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@bjolling said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
The approach that's being mooted is to have one big bill that passes everything we currently follow just because it's an EU law, for minimal disruption, then things can be examined, changed or repealed as and when
"Being mooted" in the US implies the solution was discussed and rejected. I assume it means the solution was discussed and accepted over there in Eurotania? Otherwise, your post makes no sense to me.
In Europe, "being mooted" is an expression only used in the UK. No other EU country that I can think of uses English. So please continue bashing your 51st state but leave the EU out of it.
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@hungrier No, that's being moo'ed. Being moated would mean something else entirely, and is likely irrelevant unless you're talking about a castle.
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@benjamin-hall Well, we are talking about the UK so my assumption is that everything there has to do with castles.
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@hungrier Fair enough.
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@blakeyrat
You don't seem to know how EU works do you?
EU directives are translated into law by every member country. Non compliance usually gives you fines.
So after Brexit all EU based rules are still law unless revoked.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Retailers are shitty. And extremely change adverse.
Walmart was using a MS-DOS based system in their checkout terminals until very recently.
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@bjolling said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
"being mooted" is an expression only used in the UK. No other EU country that I can think of uses English. So please continue bashing your 51st state but leave the EU out of it.
Oh poor baby, did I strike a Euro-nerve?
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@luhmann said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
You don't seem to know how EU works do you?
More than you do, apparently, because:
@luhmann said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
EU directives are translated into law by every member country.
While that is true, the GDPR is not a EU directive. Look it up. It's an EU law.
@luhmann said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
So after Brexit all EU based rules are still law unless revoked.
All the laws that were created due to EU directives, yes. Not the GDPR, since it wasn't. The Britmongors will have to figure out what to do with that one on its own, but the default if they do nothing is that when the UK leaves the EU, EU laws will cease to also be UK law.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
And we're slowly coming to realize that signatures are really fucking stupid all around anyway.
And yet you still use them for authorising payments of all sizes on credit cards...
There's actually a rule change going into effect that nixes that entirely. Because yes, it's stupid. I don't think anyone has every compared my signature to the paper form, and it wouldn't help because my signature is a random scrawl that's different each time.
The only thing that (sorta) makes sense to me is that they're checking the handwriting style as well as the name(s)/initial(s)/mark(s) in the signature itself. But only slightly, because it's foolish to expect every purchase authorizer to be an expert in handwriting analysis.
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@hungrier said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@benjamin-hall Well, we are talking about the UK so my assumption is that everything there has to do with castles.
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@benjamin-hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
And we're slowly coming to realize that signatures are really fucking stupid all around anyway.
And yet you still use them for authorising payments of all sizes on credit cards...
There's actually a rule change going into effect that nixes that entirely. Because yes, it's stupid. I don't think anyone has every compared my signature to the paper form, and it wouldn't help because my signature is a random scrawl that's different each time.
I just put See ID on mine, and tip whoever actually does.
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@pie_flavor said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
I just put See ID on mine, and tip whoever actually does.
In eight years or so of mine saying "See ID," it never happened once, so I'd wager that tip money is safe. I just stopped putting anything on the back of my cards years ago.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@bjolling said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
"being mooted" is an expression only used in the UK. No other EU country that I can think of uses English. So please continue bashing your 51st state but leave the EU out of it.
Oh poor baby, did I strike a Euro-nerve?
Everytime @Lorne-Kates says something controversial, I'll make fun of the USA then :-p
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@heterodox said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@pie_flavor said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
I just put See ID on mine, and tip whoever actually does.
In eight years or so of mine saying "See ID," it never happened once, so I'd wager that tip money is safe. I just stopped putting anything on the back of my cards years ago.
Back when you'd sign CC purchases around here, I signed them with pentagrams, flowers and other quick doodles and I was not a single time challenged on doing so.
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@heterodox said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
I just stopped putting anything on the back of my cards years ago.
One of the first chip and pin cards I had, probably 10 years ago at this point, I didn't bother signing it initially. I then went to buy something in a shop, and the cashier saw that there was no signature and wouldn't let me use it, even though I was using the pin and not the signature strip. They specifically said that I couldn't go away and sign it then come back, because they'd remember me.
So, instead of putting my card into a machine, entering my PIN and buying some goods, they made me walk across the road to a cashpoint, put my card into a different machine, enter my PIN and take out some cash so I could buy the goods
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@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
So, instead of putting my card into a machine, entering my PIN and buying some goods, they made me walk across the road to a cashpoint, put my card into a different machine, enter my PIN and take out some cash so I could buy the goods
That was stupid. I mean, they ran the rush of you going across the road to another retailer... and then just staying there, because this one is inconveniencing me. :P
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@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
One of the first chip and pin cards I had, probably 10 years ago at this point, I didn't bother signing it initially. I then went to buy something in a shop, and the cashier saw that there was no signature and wouldn't let me use it, even though I was using the pin and not the signature strip. They specifically said that I couldn't go away and sign it then come back, because they'd remember me.
So, instead of putting my card into a machine, entering my PIN and buying some goods, they made me walk across the road to a cashpoint, put my card into a different machine, enter my PIN and take out some cash so I could buy the goodsThat's the point where I'd say “well in that case I won't buy anything from your shop” and walk straight out, leaving them to clear up the unsold goods.
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@benjamin-hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat It's a right-pondian usage. In the US, it means (only) what you said.
False. I've heard it used like that here, too.
Obligatory: And blakey is an ignorant boob.
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The good thing about GDPR is that all websites who spam me from time to time now have to ask for consent again, so I'm getting unsubscribed from a bunch of them without having to do anything.
FTW!
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So, this is now a thing:
First instance for me, from an email, from New Scientist of all places:
That link opens a window then closes it without giving me a download. I go searching for it, and on another site get...
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@pjh said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
So, this is now a thing:
First instance for me, from an email, from New Scientist of all places:
That link opens a window then closes it without giving me a download. I go searching for it, and on another site get...
Too bad the GDPR is supposed to apply to all EU citizens, regardless of location
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@sumireko said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Too bad the GDPR is supposed to apply to all EU citizens, regardless of location
I think I know how to fix that... No EU citizen is allowed on the interwebs. There. Problem solved.
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@dcon said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@sumireko said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Too bad the GDPR is supposed to apply to all EU citizens, regardless of location
I think I know how to fix that... No EU citizen is allowed on the interwebs. There. Problem solved.
That would fix a lot of compliance issues and save money. Where do we vote on this initiative?
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@sumireko said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Too bad the GDPR is supposed to apply to all EU citizens, regardless of location
You're still blocking 99.5% of the people who could potentially torpedo your business by making asshole complaints. Better than 0%.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
You're still blocking 99.5% of the people who could potentially torpedo your business by making asshole complaints. Better than 0%.
Get the rest. Block California.
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@dkf Oi, that's me you're talking about!
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@remi said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@izzion Someone should him (oh wait, I just did) and tell him that it's at best the 2nd strongest member, or maybe 3rd, depending on the ranking you use (OK, on "highest consumption of tea" they're 1st...).
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@pie_flavor said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@benjamin-hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
And we're slowly coming to realize that signatures are really fucking stupid all around anyway.
And yet you still use them for authorising payments of all sizes on credit cards...
There's actually a rule change going into effect that nixes that entirely. Because yes, it's stupid. I don't think anyone has every compared my signature to the paper form, and it wouldn't help because my signature is a random scrawl that's different each time.
I just put See ID on mine, and tip whoever actually does.
As I understand credit card rules (not laws) by the credit card companies, that card would be invalid unless you had ID showing that as your signature. Technically the merchant should reject that card as invalid. Same for a blank signature box.
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@pie_flavor said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@dkf Oi, that's me you're talking about!
There's a few of us... But I want to leave, so...
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@dkf said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
You're still blocking 99.5% of the people who could potentially torpedo your business by making asshole complaints. Better than 0%.
Get the rest. Block California.
On the surface I am all for it. After some thought I realized that a lot of our porn comes out of California.
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@polygeekery said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
After some thought I realized that a lot of our porn comes out of California.
You'll have to make do with the porn from Florida…
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@dkf said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@polygeekery said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
After some thought I realized that a lot of our porn comes out of California.
You'll have to make do with the porn from Florida…
-shudders- No thanks. "Jerry Springer hot" women get old in short order.
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Next load of bollocks - apparently (LOL) the subject has to take action to be GDPR compliant...
Email from a spammer to the
sales@
address of a commercial website I host for a friend:Oh - and the non-compliant company doing this?
Nastygram on the way...
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@pjh said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Nastygram on the way...
To: jm@rcl-aircon.co.uk, sales@rcl-aircon.co.uk
From: me@gmail.com
Subject: GDPR nonconformitySir,
It has come to my attention, that you are sending out GDPR 'consent request' emails that strongly imply that in order to comply with the regulation, the data subject themselves must take affirmative action, not the data controller,
Specifically the following wording:
It is extremely important that you update your preferences with us, to comply with the new GDPR regulations – simply click one of the following links, to confirm your mailing preferences.
CONTINUE
UNSUBSCRIBE
May i remind you that it is the data controller's responsibility to comply with the regulations, not the data subject, and in this context that involves consent that is
- freely given,
- specific,
- informed and
- explicit
and that no "affirmative denial of consent" is required of data subjects as you strongly suggest in your email.
As such you must assume denial (and not retain data about subjects) unless you receive consent consistent with regard to the above four aspects, none of which, i suggest, applies to the paragraph highlighted above.
Of course, none of this addresses how you came by the email address you sent this to in the first place, since you have no prior business with the company the email was sent to, and any commercial email from yourselves would thus be considered spam.
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This email does not constitute consent for you to contact me in any commercial capacity.
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@pjh You're exactly the kind of customer who makes me want to block the entire EU from my site.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@pjh You're exactly the kind of customer who makes me want to block the entire EU from my site.
But neither I, nor the person I'm sending that email on behalf of, is a customer of that business.
So, we're all good!
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@blakeyrat We'll just rename it to an amendment and then people will be falling over themselves to defend it.
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@coldandtired That only works for ones under 10.
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@unperverted-vixen said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@coldandtired That only works for ones under 10.
Not all of the ones under 10, even. The first two are iffy depending on who you ask.
Everyone loves the ninth one, though.
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@ben_lubar Everyone says they love the first, but they have quite different opinions of which parts of it they like and how they should be interpreted.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@pjh You're exactly the kind of customer who makes me want to block the entire EU from my site.
And companies who fight against having even the most minimal amount of decency, like not selling your data without your consent or in this case sending unsolicited bulk email, are why the GDPR was needed in the first place.
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@topspin They're why something was needed. This is not it.
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Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
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@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
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@rhywden said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Euroregulators overstep and make ridiculous laws and then everyone freaks out because it's all fucking ridiculous. Time to invade and straighten things out I guess.
Oh, please, you can't even straighten out your mess in the Middle East for how many decades now?
But how many stupid middle eastern laws are middle easterners pushing that disrupt commerce and the sharing of baby pictures, eh?