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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
I don't wanna know.
Once you embrace R34, you won't need to wonder...
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Here's my son using a pocket knife to fix the physical UI fail of this lunch card vending machine. When you return your card, you get your balance paid out in all coins. To keep the coins from flying in your face (groin more like), the return slot has a cover that opens to the inside. Sucks when you have 80 Euros left on your card and the slot gets so full that the flap won't open any more.
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When you return your card, you get your balance paid out in all coins.
Apparently they weren't expecting people to return their card with money still on it?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
When you return your card, you get your balance paid out in all coins.
Apparently they weren't expecting people to return their card with money still on it?
If you mean "with more than a few cent", then yes. I guess testing with more just got too expensive.
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testing
too expensive.
You know devs have access to just "make believe" on the systems, right?
Even I, a lowly idiot supporting a stagnant game, has tested what happens when you deal with unexpected moneys. (BTW, it does exactly as expected and the text overflows the apparent textbox bounds. It's ticket HYP-3951 to switch to nice-text when the number is ludicrous).
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When you return your card, you get your balance paid out in all coins.
Yeah, they have one of these in the hollow-by-Stuttgart where the guys I am currently subcontracting for sit. Complemented with the machine giving out the cards that only takes bank notes.
Also, there are three machines side-by-side. One gives out the cards and charges them, one only takes them back and the third is for checking only. If you don't know it, you can easily return the card by accident (happened to a colleague last time)…
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
testing
too expensive.
You know devs have access to just "make believe" on the systems, right?
Even I, a lowly idiot supporting a stagnant game, has tested what happens when you deal with unexpected moneys.
If you want a serious guess, it was probably the extra cost for a device that can't just check but also pay out bills.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
When you return your card, you get your balance paid out in all coins.
Apparently they weren't expecting people to return their card with money still on it?
Yeah. But for the facts that:
- The charging machine only takes bank notes, so you better have some 10€ or 20€ notes with you, especially if you are there just for a week on a business trip.
- Don't put the card into the returning machine by mistake, because once you do, it can't give the card back, only the money—in coins.
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When you return your card, you get your balance paid out in all coins.
Yeah, they have one of these in the hollow-by-Stuttgart where the guys I am currently subcontracting for sit. Complemented with the machine giving out the cards that only takes bank notes.
Also, there are three machines side-by-side. One gives out the cards and charges them, one only takes them back and the third is for checking only. If you don't know it, you can easily return the card by accident (happened to a colleague last time)…
Sounds about as well-designed as their new railway station. I don't know how the guys from Swabia got their reputation for being good with money.
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the extra cost for a device that can't just check but also pay out bills.
I can't imagine the cost savings of manufacturing two devices with separate functions than a single device with two functions.
Can you imagine it? Like, a smartphone, but instead of a camera and phone in one convenient device, you'd have to carry a whole two things, a camera, and a phone!
Who would do such a silly thing?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
the extra cost for a device that can't just check but also pay out bills.
I can't imagine the cost savings of manufacturing two devices with separate functions than a single device with two functions.
True, but they only put in one device with one function, namely to receive a bill, check it, and put it in a safe. One that can also take bills from the safe and return them would surely have been more expensive.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
the extra cost for a device that can't just check but also pay out bills.
I can't imagine the cost savings of manufacturing two devices with separate functions than a single device with two functions.
True, but they only put in one device with one function, namely to receive a bill, check it, and put it in a safe. One that can also take bills from the safe and return them would surely have been more expensive.
This is why ATMs are always seen in triples.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
the extra cost for a device that can't just check but also pay out bills.
I can't imagine the cost savings of manufacturing two devices with separate functions than a single device with two functions.
True, but they only put in one device with one function, namely to receive a bill, check it, and put it in a safe. One that can also take bills from the safe and return them would surely have been more expensive.
This is why ATMs are always seen in triples.
Doubles actually: the one that can receive deposits and the ones that can't. Usually there are not enough customers making cash deposits at a time to justify the extra cost of making them all two-way.
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@Tsaukpaetra I don't think that the ATMs that can also take deposits use the notes put in as deposits for withdrawals. Something something false notes.
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@Tsaukpaetra I don't think that the ATMs that can also take deposits use the notes put in as deposits for withdrawals. Something something false notes.
I never said anything of the sort. Why are you putting words into my mouth?
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@Tsaukpaetra I am just saying it's effectively two devices anyway—though it's true they at least share the screen and presumably the Windows XP computer that drives it.
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@Tsaukpaetra I am just saying it's effectively two devices anyway—though it's true they at least share the screen and presumably the Windows XP computer that drives it.
There, see? Saving $700 in licensing fees and hardware already!
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@Tsaukpaetra I think they do it so the people don't all queue in front of one device while not having to put all functions in all devices. That's not to say I don't think it's silly. I do.
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the people don't all queue
Someone should run tests on the usage statistics of people coming to check balance versus people coming to add money versus people coming to return card, against average transaction rate for all three.
Then, compare against having three all-in-ones.
Then discover that WHY THE FUCK IS IT TAKING SO LONG THAT THERE ARE ACTUAL QUEUES BEING FORMED FOR THIS SHIT?!?!
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@Tsaukpaetra People often come to lunch in groups. Usually when more people from the group need to use the machine, it is either because they just came on a business trip and need to get the cards, or are about to leave and need to return them, so they all need the same operation and thus the same machine. Also people are getting cards before lunch and returning them after lunch, so the two operations are usually separated temporally. So…
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so they all need the same operation and thus the same machine.
Exactly. And if it's such a problem that there's an influx of users, wouldn't it be more efficient to load-balance and scale out? i.e. with multiple machines that can satisfy the requests?
But obviously, people are in no big hurry, otherwise someone would have complained about having to line up and wait for a single machine while two other perfectly fine ones are sitting idle.
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I don't think that the ATMs that can also take deposits use the notes put in as deposits for withdrawals. Something something false notes.
Some can, some of these spaceage ones from NCR will do note recycling.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
You know devs have access to just "make believe" on the systems, right?
$ make believe make: *** No rule to make target `believe'. Stop.
I'm not sure if I do.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Can you imagine it? Like, a smartphone, but instead of a camera and phone in one convenient device, you'd have to carry a whole two things, a camera, and a phone!
And you can't go on the internet with either of them!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Can you imagine it? Like, a smartphone, but instead of a camera and phone in one convenient device, you'd have to carry a whole two things, a camera, and a phone!
And you can't go on the internet with either of them!
The horror! 😱
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I'm not even sure where to start here. Thanks HP.
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When you return your card, you get your balance paid out in all coins.
Yeah, they have one of these in the hollow-by-Stuttgart where the guys I am currently subcontracting for sit. Complemented with the machine giving out the cards that only takes bank notes.
Also, there are three machines side-by-side. One gives out the cards and charges them, one only takes them back and the third is for checking only. If you don't know it, you can easily return the card by accident (happened to a colleague last time)…
Is there any charge for the card beyond the initial balance, or can the system be abused as a free change-dispenser? It's so hard to find enough change for the few things I still need change for, now that I pay for most of my purchases with plastic.
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@Cursorkeys said in UI Bites:
I'm not even sure where to start here. Thanks HP.
Oh come on, that's the improved version with hidden frontend names already! Until about five years ago they hadn't reinvented the load balancer yet so their pages had to produce links like
http://web257444.miami.hp.com/foo/bar/somenastyaspshit.orother
and there was no apparent logic to where to find shit when you had a link and that particular server had been retired or died.Then again, by the look of it, "partsurfer" probably is a single server.
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the slot gets so full that the flap won't open any more
But I see you were still lucky: the machine was able to dispense Euro coins. Just imagine there were only 1-Cent-coins left...
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t's so hard to find enough change for the few things I still need change for, now that I pay for most of my purchases with plastic.
https://www.amazon.ca/DOMAGRON-Novelty-FNEIN-39-1566-Plastic/dp/B001K37LQ2
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When you return your card, you get your balance paid out in all coins.
Yeah, they have one of these in the hollow-by-Stuttgart where the guys I am currently subcontracting for sit. Complemented with the machine giving out the cards that only takes bank notes.
Also, there are three machines side-by-side. One gives out the cards and charges them, one only takes them back and the third is for checking only. If you don't know it, you can easily return the card by accident (happened to a colleague last time)…
Is there any charge for the card beyond the initial balance, or can the system be abused as a free change-dispenser? It's so hard to find enough change for the few things I still need change for, now that I pay for most of my purchases with plastic.
There is no charge, only a refundable deposit. So, yes, you can buy a card with 20€ and immediately return it to get a handful of 2€ coins. You won't get any cent coins without paying some lunch though because you can't charge with fractional amounts.
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@Bulb It's always pound coins I'm after (£2 coins would be ok) so that sounds excellent. If it existed over here (and with real money .)
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It's always pound coins I'm after
It seems like they'd be rather heavy to carry around all day. And bulky, too.
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@HardwareGeek said in UI Bites:
It seems like they'd be rather heavy to carry around all day.
I mean, I don't want like, dozens at once - and if I did it'd be worth going to the bank for it. But if I had a way to convert a fiver or a tenner into pound coins once every few weeks that'd be good.
It's not actually that I want coins, but that I want £3 in cash once a week in an exact-money-only situation, so it has to be coins.
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@CarrieVS I think a is in order.
Pound coins = 0.45359 kg coinsEven if you made them of osmium, at 4 mm thick, they'd still be 80 mm in diameter.
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But if I had a way to convert a fiver or a tenner into pound coins once every few weeks that'd be good.
I usually go into a shop with a tenner, buy a small chocolate bar and ask for the rest of the change in £1 or £2 coins.
A bank will also swap notes for coins but you might need to swap £20 note for 20x £1 coins.(Also on @HardwareGeek's joke)
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@HardwareGeek I saw the post you deleted, but you deleted it before I could reply.
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@loopback0, in a low voice: "I see deleted posts."
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@loopback0 I decided to add a
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tag to my previous post instead of replying to yours.
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@HardwareGeek you have me bang to rights. In my defense (or possibly my prosecution, since some people feel strongly about such things) I'm more used to kilograms.
@loopback0 well yes, that's what I do, being as I'm not completely and utterly incapable of problem solving. It's sub-optimal for all concerned since retailers prefer not to take large notes for tiny purchases and use up all their float, and I prefer not to make a purchase I don't actually need and also only get four or nine pound coins.
As for going to the bank, it's not convenient to do on a frequent basis, and I don't particularly want a big enough sack of the things to make it so.
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retailers prefer not to take large notes for tiny purchases and use up all their float
Don't they know you should never use floats when dealing with money?
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I'm not completely and utterly incapable of problem solving.
I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise.
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@loopback0 I'm grumpy and my brain is not working optimally because of the heat.
Yeah... the heat. I'm just gonna blame it on the heat.