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@Gurth which isn’t confusing at all, because that implies that Meta is Alt, whereas the above implied that Meta is distinct from Alt and coincides with the Win key. And what about Super?
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@Gurth which isn’t confusing at all, because that implies that Meta is Alt, whereas the above implied that Meta is distinct from Alt and coincides with the Win key. And what about Super?
It is. There was a time when PC keyboards only had Alt, and neither Meta nor Win. But most of the old Unix shortcuts used Meta, so on terminal, Alt took that function on PC Unices. But in X, which had both Meta and Alt modifiers, Alt remained the Alt modifier, while Meta got assigned to Win.
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@Gurth which isn’t confusing at all, because that implies that Meta is Alt, whereas the above implied that Meta is distinct from Alt and coincides with the Win key. And what about Super?
It is. There was a time when PC keyboards only had Alt, and neither Meta nor Win. But most of the old Unix shortcuts used Meta, so on terminal, Alt took that function on PC Unices. But in X, which had both Meta and Alt modifiers, Alt remained the Alt modifier, while Meta got assigned to Win.
Then again, Meta is usually identified with Left Alt while both Meta and X are modified by Alt Right so I don't see how that could be a Win
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@Gurth which isn’t confusing at all, because that implies that Meta is Alt,
Meta is total Alt. Snapchat ist der Shizzle.
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a Meta key
a key that opens up Facebook directly?
You just have to remap the LinkedIn shortcut
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I clicked the "Required Only" button in a cookie permission popup and this is what I got. It stayed there at 89% processing for several seconds.
This is in a hospital's website, so good thing this isn't an emergency.
And then you get this:
Did you think those were clickable buttons? Haha. No.
Just an ad for their app, I guess?
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@Gurth which isn’t confusing at all, because that implies that Meta is Alt
It means Alt is used as a substitute for the Meta key that Windows-style keyboards don’t have.
whereas the above implied that Meta is distinct from Alt and coincides with the Win key.
It is distinct from Alt, but hardly anybody has a keyboard with that key on it. And since the keyboards Emacs was originally written for, didn’t have an Alt key, it doesn’t use that as a modifier anyway so substituting it for Meta is safe enough.
All in all, it’s a bit like plugging a Windows keyboard into a Mac: the Alt key will stand in for ⌥, the Windows key stands in for ⌘, etc. (which, BTW, is -level confusing because it swaps around where you’re used to ⌥ and ⌘ being located).
And what about Super?
That’s called E5 now.
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the Alt key will stand in for ⌥
Some Mac keyboards have keys with both of those labels on.
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@dkf They used to, yes. IIRC, the official explanation was that Alt is ⇧⌥. Nowadays, the relevant key on my keyboard has “⌥” printed at the top right and “option” at lower right.
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Status: gonna need to fix some settings.
Which settings? Fuck you, pay me money!
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@Tsaukpaetra is this a personal device you've allowed to be controlled by your employer? Or do you have two phones that require a magnifying glass to use?
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@loopback0 said in UI Bites:
is this a personal device you've allowed to be controlled by your employer?
This is why I don't do that. Work stuff never touches my phone, so my employer has no reason to have any control over it.
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@loopback0 said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra is this a personal device you've allowed to be controlled by your employer? Or do you have two phones that require a magnifying glass to use?
One of these days, probably shortly before I attempt to do an OS upgrade, I'll purposefully invoke the reset function from the portal and see what happens.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@loopback0 said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra is this a personal device you've allowed to be controlled by your employer? Or do you have two phones that require a magnifying glass to use?
One of these days, probably shortly before I attempt to do an OS upgrade, I'll purposefully invoke the reset function from the portal and see what happens.
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These days I had the joy of migrating a Jira server to the Atlassian cloud. I'm half serious because I'm really looking forward to not having to deal with upgrades and testing and database fuckery any more. But the upgrade process itself … holy fuck, if it was OSS, everybody would be screaming how hostile the nerd shit is and how it's completely impossible to run something like this in a professional context, but it's Atlassian so everybody just bends over.
First, there's an "assistant" that starts by telling you you'd better forget about half of your extensions because the whole cloud shit is completely incompatible with existing extensions so everybody would have had to rewrite their stuff but Then you have to select how to migrate your users, and if you're paying Atlassian a couple thousand $$$ a year for a fancy copy-my-users-from-Azure script, there's no option for you and you have to properly test that selecting something from the available options doesn't in fact fuck things up. When it's done migrating, you notice that major features like dashboards and filters that basically everybody uses haven't been migrated. From the forums you learn that you have to do the migration twice: once the "main" one and then another one with a "dummy project" after you've enabled "Dark Features" by entering some Java class names into a from whose URL you have to know because it's not in any admin menu. They tell Jira to migrate all the missing things, but for some reason you can't enable them on the first try because it would break other shit, and automating the two-phase process apparently wasn't possible either.
And then you wait for the migration to finish and it's just sitting there spinning its spinners and saying "Running", until you get suspicious and look at the details where it says it's been working on some minor extension for eight fucking hours.
The browser is only a bit over FHD wide so they didn't have enough space for the UI but put the arrow that expands further details off the right margin, of course suppressing the scrollbar the browser would usually put there if they did it the straightforward way.
When you find and click the arrow, the page gets even wider so the arrow is pushed out to the right once more and reveals this layout masterpiece:
It's just waiting for you to click "analyze", get an empty list of problems and click "all is fine", but it's hidden away under literally three layers of UI abominations
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@LaoC That's why commercial software is worth the $$$ you pay for it
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Remind me again why a) people use Jira and b) that something better hasn't come along to eat its fucking lunch?
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Remind me again why a) people use Jira
Someone else decided. So we use it.
and b) that something better hasn't come along to eat its fucking lunch?
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why a) people use Jira
They need somewhere to write down the plan and mark the progress.
and b) that something better hasn't come along to eat its fucking lunch?
Jira covers the common ground well enough and any further improvement is in the eye of the beholder. There are some alternatives like YouTrack and Azure DevOps, but they are more or less equivalent, so if someone already uses Jira, they keep using Jira.
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@Bulb that doesn’t explain new instances popping up every year though, unless that’s “but we’ve always used JIRA” territory and everyone’s just Stockholm Syndromed into it.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone have anything good to say about it. Ever.
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unless that’s “but we’ve always used JIRA”
It is. The new companies hire project managers and product owners who have experience with it from the previous company, so they say they prefer to use it in the new job again.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone have anything good to say about it. Ever.
I did. At least in the sense “we need, and want, something, and it is the best we can have”.
Our current director of development clearly wanted Jira cloud over GitLab or Azure DevOps because it is more capable and because she already knows how to configure it to suit her needs and adapt it to the team—because each team settles on slightly different workflow and the tool needs to be configured accordingly.
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I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone have anything good to say about it. Ever.
In the end Jira, or any other issue tracking system, is a tool in the hands of the product owner or team leader or whatever you call that role at your place, and it is only as good as the person wielding it. If your manager is good, keeps it up to date and sets it up correctly for the project, it is a useful tool and people are glad to have it—yes, that was mentioned at the retrospective just this Wednesday. If the manager does not maintain it, it becomes a useless heap of duplicated, poorly described, half-baked ideas that everybody hates.
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I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone have anything good to say about it. Ever.
I haven't had the pleasure of using it.
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@Bulb being glad to have a tool that is used sanely does not mean the tool is good. And yes, if you use it sanely the experience is markedly less awful but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a shitshow of usability that even Atlassian can’t make it run fast.
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@Arantor It does leave a lot to be desired, except all the alternatives I've seen left even more to be desired (or didn't have the features—the amount of work people go through to work around the lack of configurable workflow and support for automation in github is amazing).
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@Bulb I find it fascinating how some people use such complex workflows.
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Without artificially complex workflows, it would be too obvious how little productive work some people actually do.
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
Without artificially complex workflows, it would be too obvious how little productive work some people actually do.
Stop pulling at the curtain! That man behind there is making an honest living!
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
Without artificially complex workflows, it would be too obvious how little productive work some people actually do.
Hey, there's no reason to call out the entire forum like that
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Closing WinSCP with an active connection has yes/no/cancel buttons that are backwards from every other such dialog you've seen in the last 30 years:
"Don't you not want to close without avoiding saving?"
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@hungrier My first thought was "no, that's the normal order". Then I read the dialog. sigh.
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@hungrier My first thought was "no, that's the normal order". Then I read the dialog. sigh.
It pissed my off, since it's not a standard dialog so those buttons were very much custom made, and yet he still chose unwisely.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
he still chose unwisely.
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Status: Sure, I'll get right on that.
As soon as you tell me what's so schnozz about it.
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@Tsaukpaetra You should get rid of those candidates that are rank; luckily you seem to only have one of them.
Filed Under: Operation Rank Candidates
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@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
You should get rid of those candidates that are rank
Maybe you should file them.
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@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra You should get rid of those candidates that are rank; luckily you seem to only have one of them.
Filed Under: Operation Rank Candidates
Filed under biochemical warfare
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@Bulb that doesn’t explain new instances popping up every year though, unless that’s “but we’ve always used JIRA” territory and everyone’s just Stockholm Syndromed into it.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone have anything good to say about it. Ever.
I mostly like it. But I don't have to administer it.
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Status: I'm literally the only one editing this piece of shit, what the fuck are you talking about?!?
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Do you have multiple personalities?
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
Do you have multiple personalities?
Isn't that something the lead maintainer should already know?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Status: I'm literally the only one editing this piece of shit, what the fuck are you talking about?!?
But are you editing it in multiple browsers/browser tabs/application instances-or-whatever-it-is-edited-in?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Status: I'm literally the only one editing this piece of shit, what the fuck are you talking about?!?
But are you editing it in multiple browsers/browser tabs/application instances-or-whatever-it-is-edited-in?
Negative, ghost writer. Additionally, it does not auto-save either, so even if I were and didn't know it, it should not affect this.
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@Tsaukpaetra The case where I could understand the problem occurring isn't a failure to save, but a failure to refresh. Basically you come to another instance, it has a stale copy in cache, but lets you start editing and then a refresh goes through and it realizes with horror that the copy was stale.
… hm, I can even imagine such stale cache problem in a single in-browser instance if it uses what used to be called AJAX, and would now be called SSR with hydration: The browser loads the initial state, but since it is afterwards refreshed piecemeal by javascript, which is different requests, anything that triggers re-render from cache will bring back the old state. I've seen that kind of issue happen with a bunch of web apps over years.
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realizes with horror
Yeah, except even running with caching disabled and freshly refreshing the page doesn't help. I literally load, then immediately save, and ban. Wrong version.
I wish it had some sort of difference merging system. After all, the flow is merely a gigantic XML file...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Yeah, except even running with caching disabled and freshly refreshing the page doesn't help. I literally load, then immediately save, and ban. Wrong version.
Could also be as simple as a wrong timestamp on a file somewhere. Or a computer with the time set wrong, perhaps because of clock drift.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Yeah, except even running with caching disabled and freshly refreshing the page doesn't help. I literally load, then immediately save, and ban. Wrong version.
Could also be as simple as a wrong timestamp on a file somewhere. Or a computer with the time set wrong, perhaps because of clock drift.
Well it's been wrong on the cloud for a two days. We'll see if it stays rainy next week...