Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time
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My whole current story is a string of escalating WTFs which I have no nerves, or intention to write in full, as I've already wasted enough time.
Suffice to say I am now downloading 3dumpsOfShit to the Max (3ds Max) because besides from them being monopolistic assholes with their FBX, they're also incompetent idiots with their "FBX Converter" that can't spit out any format supporting bones and animations (even including THEIR OWN 3ds!!!), only to open a thing in it, and save it in a different format which doesn't make blender (as well as most other non-Assholedesk software) shit itself when trying to import it.And this... THIS is the final crowning "are you fucking kidding me you disgusting bunch of fucks?!?"
Yes, ladies and gentlemen.
Behold, in its full glory, a fucking .exe downloader/installer, which refuses to do anything if you had the AUDACITY to close the webpage which gracefully allowed you to download the downloader, after 2 pages of forms, because fuck you, you filthy peasant, unworthy of our godlike glory, how dare you EVER close our website, you should have it setup to auto-open with the highest priority on each start of your pc!FUCK THOSE GUYS.
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also, when the fuck are we that I can't choose where should that pile of shit spray its manure into? mandatory 12 gigs on primary disk?
WHY?
...oh, yeah, i almost forgot, they're smug monopolistic incompetent assholes
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@thecpuwizard said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
This should help:
Ewww.
Scotch, none of that Irish whisky shite
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@sh_code what the fuck, I've never seen anything like that before... how does the installer even see if the page is still open in your browser or not?
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@jaloopa said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
Scotch, none of that Irish whisky shite
While I also enjoy a good Scotch over an Irish Whiskey, I will take a top of the line Bourbon any day :)
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@thecpuwizard said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
While I also enjoy a good Scotch over an Irish Whiskey, I will take a top of the line Bourbon any day
I'm happy to let you do so.
But right now (well, not right now now; I'm at work still) I've got an interesting gin from the Isle of Man that's partially flavoured with heather. It's rather tasty, and not one that needs any mixers (unlike most gins)…
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@dkf I've never got into gin. Always saw it as an old lady drink, and I missed out on the apparent resurgence as a cool drink for the youngsters. I'll stick with my real ale, single malt and Canarian honey rum
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@jaloopa said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
I've never got into gin. Always saw it as an old lady drink, and I missed out on the apparent resurgence as a cool drink for the youngsters. I'll stick with my real ale, single malt and Canarian honey rum
This one is almost like a vermouth in taste.
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I just want someone to buy Demigod on steam, and write a post here like the one above, about the installation process.
I mean, I probably did in Status or Likes somewhere, but I kind of want to share the exquisite pain involved.
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@blek said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@sh_code what the fuck, I've never seen anything like that before... how does the installer even see if the page is still open in your browser or not?
It may be that the site opens some kind of websocket connection to the server, then the installer asks the server if the computer it's running from has that websocket connection. If not, it fails. Explains why refreshing also breaks the installer.
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@jaloopa said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
I've never got into gin
I got into gin once... a bathtub was involved. To be honest I do not remember much of that night....
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@magus said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
I just want someone to buy Demigod on steam, and write a post here like the one above, about the installation process.
I mean, I probably did in Status or Likes somewhere, but I kind of want to share the exquisite pain involved.
Wait. If it's on Steam, how can it be hard to install? You tell Steam to install, and watch 25 MB/sec stream over the network. Well, OK, I watch 25MB/sec. Your transfer rate might not match that.
Or is it one of those things that's sold through Steam, but downloaded separately?
EDIT: key point: I have FTTRBIMLR. (Fibre to the Router Box in my Living Room.)
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@kian said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@blek said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@sh_code what the fuck, I've never seen anything like that before... how does the installer even see if the page is still open in your browser or not?
It may be that the site opens some kind of websocket connection to the server, then the installer asks the server if the computer it's running from has that websocket connection. If not, it fails. Explains why refreshing also breaks the installer.
That's ... beyond lame. There are so many better ways of doing it than that.
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@steve_the_cynic You almost have to see it to believe it. You can purchase it through steam, but to actually activate it, so that it will launch? It's simply incredible.
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@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
There are so many better ways of doing it than that.
That really depends on what 'it' means for you. Pissing off customers with overcomplicated installers? It's pretty good at that. In any case, it may not be doing what I described, I'm just guessing based on the error message.
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@kian said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
There are so many better ways of doing it than that.
That really depends on what 'it' means for you. Pissing off customers with overcomplicated installers? It's pretty good at that. In any case, it may not be doing what I described, I'm just guessing based on the error message.
We could go back to mailing out dongles. Perhaps ones with a parallel port for data, USB for power, and Ethernet for the double-secret verification connection back to the server?
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@magus Hm, a dead MOBA isn't on the top of my list of things to buy. Although I can see what others have to say about it.
Extremely annoying signup. I couldn't even play the game at all because I couldn't figure out how to sign up and enter the serial number, I tried to use my cd key but it didn't work and the email I registered with says its not registered. Can't recommend this game. No idea why some of these developers need to make things so difficult for people. No wonder the game is dead.
I don't recommend this game just on the basis of the draconian DRM and the ♥♥♥♥♥ty support stardock has. Like no kidding the DRM is such a frustrating maze of errors which directs you to the website that is also just errors and dead ends. Word is the there is barely anyone playing the multiplayer so don't even waste your money.
After upgrading my hard drive ( Twice) ...LOL....This was the only game to give me problems. The
silly account registration prohibits me from playing anymore. How ridiculous. It is giving me messages
that don't make sense and I had put in 4 tickets telling starDICK over and over agian that I could
not activate their product.......Silly responses for tickets I put in.......I wiil NOT buy another
product from these dead from the neck up idiots.
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@atazhaia It was DoA, sadly. It had so many new ideas, and was such a breath of fresh air, but needed a decent GPU and was slower than some.
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@magus My friends and I briefly played it and enjoyed it quite a bit although it only felt like half a game. Ironically, I think we used a cracked DVD image someone had acquired so we never had any issues with DRM/activation/serial numbers.
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@mott555 Same here. I happily bought it again when it came out on steam, and it's still really fun, but you can really only play with bots :/
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@sh_code said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
FUCK THOSE GUYS.
I wonder how many more people would buy (instead of pirate) Autodesk's products if they charged a sensible price instead of $4k each, and made an effort to improve interchange, which is already a headache even when other companies are acting in good faith.
It's due to these interchange issues that I see so many asset creators selling their products in .max format. Great, now the only way I can use their product is if I have 3DS Max. If I'm given a .blend file, I can at least download Blender, spend 15 minutes remembering all the hotkeys, and export it to a format of my choosing without paying a dime. At least FBX, while proprietary, is morphing into a standard, and Collada could be a useful competing open standard if people could agree on how to implement it.
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@groaner blender is the VI of 3D editors
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@thecpuwizard said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
This should help:
yeah. i went for 8 beers and was halfway through them when making this thread. did help.
what helped most was when I tweeted about how I feel about 3ds (no specifics), autodesk helpdesk asked for specifics, so I unleashed a barrage.and few minutes afterwards authors of the asset replied to my mail and provided the asset in properly openable and editable .blend format :)
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@blek said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@sh_code what the fuck, I've never seen anything like that before... how does the installer even see if the page is still open in your browser or not?
no idea, but it does. but then i have to correct myself, the install wasn't "mandatory 12 gigs to primary disk, but (in the context of this "you've closed our webpage" hackery) something even funnier - installer just checked all of my disk's space and when ANY of them didn't have enough room for the thing to be hypothetically fully installed there, it threw that warning/error. had "retry" and "cancel" buttons.
"Cancel" button took me to the next screen which was the choice of where to install. Choosing the right disk made it install no problem.
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@scholrlea said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@sh_code Don't hold back so much, @sh_code , tell us how you really feel.
it's in the replies to their tweet. enjoy
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@magus said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
I just want someone to buy Demigod on steam, and write a post here like the one above, about the installation process.
I mean, I probably did in Status or Likes somewhere, but I kind of want to share the exquisite pain involved.
- buy
- write the review
- refund
- move to the next life goal you dream of achieving
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@kian said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
There are so many better ways of doing it than that.
That really depends on what 'it' means for you. Pissing off customers with overcomplicated installers? It's pretty good at that. In any case, it may not be doing what I described, I'm just guessing based on the error message.
heh, i misread that as "terror message" =D
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@parody said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@kian said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
There are so many better ways of doing it than that.
That really depends on what 'it' means for you. Pissing off customers with overcomplicated installers? It's pretty good at that. In any case, it may not be doing what I described, I'm just guessing based on the error message.
We could go back to mailing out dongles. Perhaps ones with a parallel port for data, USB for power, and Ethernet for the double-secret verification connection back to the server?
Parallel port? I remember those. The PC I just bought (mildly serious gamer iron with an 8-core Skylake-X i7 and an NVidia 1080Ti, but no SLI, so only mildly serious(1)) doesn't have one, and the PC I built from a box of parts in 2011 doesn't have one either.
So a pure-parallel dongle would suffice to annoy people, even without all the other stuff.
(1) Come on, Skylake-X goes up to an i9, and I didn't buy two of those graphics cards, and I didn't buy a full-on liquid cooling system. It's not really serious, but it runs like greased owl shit compared to the 2011 one.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@groaner blender is the VI of 3D editors
i disagree. i hate VI with a passion. i mean, in the age where Gui was still a scifi, it was a... nice effort, i guess? a witty idea about how to avoid coding ascii interfaces, because i guess they're were too hard for linux guys to implement, but... what's the point in it existing since 1995 forwards, I will never understand.
blender, on the other hand... yummy...
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@sh_code I like VIM because I'm able to do more stuff without using the mouse. (As an alternative to Notepad, not to an actual IDE).
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@sh_code said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
blender, on the other hand... yummy...
Yeah, yummy, if you like eating what someone barfed onto his disk when he was down with three kinds of flu AND dysentery. Blender is beyond awful and needs desperately to be put in one.
I mean, seriously, Blender Guys, were you thinking when you decided to write your own File|Open dialog box, one that doesn't even know how about UNC paths (but does have drive-letter selectors and other Windowsy things), rather than using the perfectly good one provided by Windows?
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@sh_code said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
blender, on the other hand... yummy...
Yeah, but it does have a bit of the same propensity towards those "WTF was that obscure key combination to do this mundane thing again?" moments as VI.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@groaner blender is the VI of 3D editors
What you're saying is that Blender is really good?
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@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@parody said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@kian said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
There are so many better ways of doing it than that.
That really depends on what 'it' means for you. Pissing off customers with overcomplicated installers? It's pretty good at that. In any case, it may not be doing what I described, I'm just guessing based on the error message.
We could go back to mailing out dongles. Perhaps ones with a parallel port for data, USB for power, and Ethernet for the double-secret verification connection back to the server?
Parallel port? I remember those. The PC I just bought (mildly serious gamer iron with an 8-core Skylake-X i7 and an NVidia 1080Ti, but no SLI, so only mildly serious(1)) doesn't have one, and the PC I built from a box of parts in 2011 doesn't have one either.
What? No parallel port? Well, we'd be perfectly happy to sell you an enterprise-level adapter for only $100! (Plus $10 for drivers.)
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@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
mildly serious gamer iron
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@hungrier FTFY
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@bb36e He said "mildly serious gamer iron" not "extremely serious gamer iron"
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@parody said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@parody said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@kian said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
There are so many better ways of doing it than that.
That really depends on what 'it' means for you. Pissing off customers with overcomplicated installers? It's pretty good at that. In any case, it may not be doing what I described, I'm just guessing based on the error message.
We could go back to mailing out dongles. Perhaps ones with a parallel port for data, USB for power, and Ethernet for the double-secret verification connection back to the server?
Parallel port? I remember those. The PC I just bought (mildly serious gamer iron with an 8-core Skylake-X i7 and an NVidia 1080Ti, but no SLI, so only mildly serious(1)) doesn't have one, and the PC I built from a box of parts in 2011 doesn't have one either.
What? No parallel port? Well, we'd be perfectly happy to sell you an enterprise-level adapter for only $1000! (Plus $10 for drivers.)
Fixed for entry-level enterprise.
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@ixvedeusi said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@sh_code said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
blender, on the other hand... yummy...
Yeah, but it does have a bit of the same propensity towards those "WTF was that obscure key combination to do this mundane thing again?" moments as VI.
that's when you press spacebar and start typing the name of that thing. and when you see it in the list, you glance 150 pixels to the right where its shortcut is listed, and then either click the entry, or press escape, and try out your newly learned/remembered shortcut ;)
(i still can't understand how is this not a standard thing in any and all (larger) software <3 )also, sometimes it's easier and quicker to just use spacebar right away, instead of trying to remember the shortcut. for example, for me, one of these is spacebar->flip n->enter (flip normals)
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@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@sh_code said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
blender, on the other hand... yummy...
Yeah, yummy, if you like eating what someone barfed onto his disk when he was down with three kinds of flu AND dysentery. Blender is beyond awful and needs desperately to be put in one.
I mean, seriously, Blender Guys, were you thinking when you decided to write your own File|Open dialog box, one that doesn't even know how about UNC paths (but does have drive-letter selectors and other Windowsy things), rather than using the perfectly good one provided by Windows?
yup, its file selectors are non-ideal.
and as far as I'm concerned, that's one of three or maybe four complaints I had during the 3 years i've been using it.another one was "the UX paradigm is totally alien to anything I encountered on windows".
this one got scratched when I got used to it and therefore/subsequently understood WHY it is like that.
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@sh_code said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
i mean, in the age where Gui was still a scifi, it was a... nice effort, i guess? a witty idea about how to avoid coding ascii interfaces, because i guess they're were too hard for linux guys to implement, but... what's the point in it existing since 19
9584 forwards, I will never understand.FTFY
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@sockpuppet7 said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@groaner blender is the VI of 3D editors
That's a great comparison. Technically very advanced, and with a unique interface that's completely meaningless and unusable at first, but (allegedly) very efficient after you learn it.
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@sh_code said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
that's when you press spacebar and start typing the name of that thing. and when you see it in the list, you glance 150 pixels to the right where its shortcut is listed, and then either click the entry, or press escape, and try out your newly learned/remembered shortcut ;)
(i still can't understand how is this not a standard thing in any and all (larger) software <3 )Because it would seriously impair the usability of any application whose primary job is to put text input from the keyboard onto the screen. Of the kind that a lot more people use than 3D editors, like, say, word processors and spreadsheets.
(Yes, of course you could handle it with some modifier key plus the spacebar. When I want to start an application, half the time I do so by hitting Command + spacebar and typing the beginning of the name. But plain spacebar would be rather awkward in most programs. Also, you’d need to standardise it between apps — perhaps some dedicated help key might be a good idea, except that software and hardware designers don’t seem to have been forward-thinking enough after the 1970s generation or so.)
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@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@sh_code said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
blender, on the other hand... yummy...
Yeah, yummy, if you like eating what someone barfed onto his disk when he was down with three kinds of flu AND dysentery. Blender is beyond awful and needs desperately to be put in one.
I mean, seriously, Blender Guys, were you thinking when you decided to write your own File|Open dialog box, one that doesn't even know how about UNC paths (but does have drive-letter selectors and other Windowsy things), rather than using the perfectly good one provided by Windows?
@topspin said in Big list of software that cannot handle spaces or accents in paths:
They're not simply too stupid/stubborn to use the shell's open file dialog, even the right click context menus aren't native. I shudder when I see that stuff.
I guess they argue it's for "portability" reasons, but it's a severe case of NIH. The amount of platform specific hacks in that file dialog must be far larger than simply calling GetOpenFileName.Why use a single line function call when you can reinvent the
squaretriangular wheel?
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@topspin I'm guessing that, probably due to multiplatform reasons, they had the option of reinventing their own triangular wheel or using an existing wheel that would sometimes be sideways and/or made of cheese.
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@hungrier said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
or using an existing wheel that would sometimes be sideways and/or made of cheese
What's wrong with a wheel made of cheese ?
https://projectfandom.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/z-nation-say-cheese-e1444629362686.jpg
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@hungrier You missed the following part:
Even if they have to code their own solution to support all platforms under the sun, even those with no reasonable widget toolkit, their implementation must contain enough hacks specific to the Windows platform that it'd still be easier to do:#ifdef WIN32 GetOpenFileName(...); #else DoUglyShittyBlenderOpenFileName(...); #endif
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@steve_the_cynic said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@kian said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@blek said in Assholedesk fucks are straining my nerves and wasting my time:
@sh_code what the fuck, I've never seen anything like that before... how does the installer even see if the page is still open in your browser or not?
It may be that the site opens some kind of websocket connection to the server, then the installer asks the server if the computer it's running from has that websocket connection. If not, it fails. Explains why refreshing also breaks the installer.
That's ... beyond lame. There are so many better ways of doing it than that.
Maybe some sort of downloaded client-side JS crap?