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@Polygeekery Strongly doubt that lab-grown meat will be more sustainable, but I'd eat it if it tasted good.
edit: I wouldn't pay more for it, though.
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The technology should be used to raise cattle that are 100% ribeye. I'd love a 1200-pound ribeye.
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@anotherusername said in Nope:
@Polygeekery Strongly doubt that lab-grown meat will be more sustainable, but I'd eat it if it tasted good.
edit: I wouldn't pay more for it, though.
The Impossible Burger tastes good enough. Why the fuck do you need to play God
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@anotherusername said in Nope:
Strongly doubt that lab-grown meat will be more sustainable
I don't see why not. Cows waste a lot of energy and nutrients building ligaments, skin etc. and farting. An efficient meat growth process could dedicate all of the raw materials to making muscle, fat and bone.
@anotherusername said in Nope:
I'd eat it if it tasted good
Me too. I'm not sure it's possible to ethically defend eating meat (not that that stops me), so meat that didn't involve killing animals would be awesome. Also, think of the modifications that could be made. There would be no need to restrict it to the usual staple meats. You could try pada meat, rhino meat, even meat that was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike any actual animal
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I don't see why not. Cows waste a lot of energy and nutrients building ligaments, skin etc. and farting. An efficient meat growth process could dedicate all of the raw materials to making muscle, fat and bone.
Yes, but if the efficient meat growth process requires a lab to support it, it won't scale very efficiently. Unless they can crowd thousands of meats in a barn like chickens, it probably won't be sustainable. Meanwhile, ranchers can herd a bunch of cows out to the pasture to eat whatever grows there naturally.
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I'm not sure it's possible to ethically defend eating meat
Why not? Unless you're surrendering to PETA before you begin.
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@boomzilla said in Nope:
I'm not sure it's possible to ethically defend eating meat
Why not? Unless you're surrendering to PETA before you begin.
Is this a variety of an ad hominem argument?
- PETA also claims it's not possible to ethically defend eating meat
- PETA is imperfect (to say the least)
- Therefore, the statement that it's not possible to ethically defend eating meat is no more than surrendering to PETA before you begin.
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even meat that was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike any actual animal
There's a fast food restaurant joke here to be made.
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@boomzilla said in Nope:
I'm not sure it's possible to ethically defend eating meat
Why not? Unless you're surrendering to PETA before you begin.
Is this a variety of an ad hominem argument?
I'm just questioning the bold assertion that @Jaloopa made.
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@boomzilla said in Nope:
@boomzilla said in Nope:
I'm not sure it's possible to ethically defend eating meat
Why not? Unless you're surrendering to PETA before you begin.
Is this a variety of an ad hominem argument?
I'm just questioning the bold assertion that @Jaloopa made.
While it is true you were questioning the bold and accurate assertion that @Jaloopa made, it is not true that you were just questioning it, as you were doing so solely by means of an ad hominem attack.
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@boomzilla said in Nope:
@boomzilla said in Nope:
I'm not sure it's possible to ethically defend eating meat
Why not? Unless you're surrendering to PETA before you begin.
Is this a variety of an ad hominem argument?
I'm just questioning the bold assertion that @Jaloopa made.
While it is true you were questioning the bold and accurate assertion that @Jaloopa made, it is not true that you were just questioning it, as you were doing so solely by means of an ad hominem attack.
Sorry, I don't see how what I did was an ad hominem in any way. I just referenced an organization who shares @Jaloopa's assertion.
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@HardwareGeek What about delicious bacon seaweed? Apparently it's fairly bacon.
Warning: they actually didn't, but the reporter apparently managed to wangle a trip to Ireland out of this mess.
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@HardwareGeek What about delicious bacon seaweed? Apparently it's fairly bacon.
Warning: they actually didn't, but the reporter apparently managed to wangle a trip to Ireland out of this mess.
So they went all the way to Ireland and didn't taste it?
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@boomzilla Who was using the word
'just
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first is wrong. Reading back... actually too lazy.
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@tharpa How can you ethically defend eating anything that was ever alive, though? Vegetarianism smacks of anthropocentrism, in my eyes. If you want to avoid ethical hazard, never eat anything that was alive.
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@anotherusername That's perhaps too strong a statement, as I believe that it would fall under the purview of ethics were I to start taking bites out of tasty looking people on the street to save money.
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I believe that it would fall under the purview of ethics were I to start taking bites out of tasty looking people
Yes, but for a different reason.
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never eat anything that was alive.
What about composites that were part of something that was alive? Because, over the course of thousands/millions/billions of years, you can say with a reasonable level of certainty that everything you can reasonably conceivably consume safely on the Earth has been a component of something that once lived at some point.
Edit: The nope part is: You're eating something that was once living, almost no matter what you do.
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@Tsaukpaetra Okay. Well, then there's whatever degree of moral/ethical hazard associated.
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@anotherusername said in Nope:
Yes, but if the efficient meat growth process requires a lab to support it, it won't scale very efficiently. Unless they can crowd thousands of meats in a barn like chickens, it probably won't be sustainable. Meanwhile, ranchers can herd a bunch of cows out to the pasture to eat whatever grows there naturally.
Scale's always a next step. In time artificial meat growing apparatuses could probably be packed as tightly as a mushroom farm.
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@anotherusername said in Nope:
How can you ethically defend eating anything that was ever alive, though?
We have an emoji specifically for that:
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@anotherusername said in Nope:
@Gribnit said in Nope:
How can you ethically defend eating anything that was ever alive, though?We have an emoji specifically for that:
That's all well and good, but I'm pretty sure it's a Mu point though.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Nope:
never eat anything that was alive.
What about composites that were part of something that was alive? Because, over the course of thousands/millions/billions of years, you can say with a reasonable level of certainty that everything you can reasonably conceivably consume safely on the Earth has been a component of something that once lived at some point.
Edit: The nope part is: You're eating something that was once living, almost no matter what you do
Freshly Cooled Lava--The Morally Superior Choice
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@PJH Have you ever had a job, perhaps a college job, where you needed to deal with chairs, perhaps pushing them up to tables at the end of the night?
Yeah every week or so we'd have to take a chair off the floor, discreetly...
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@Polygeekery Silent eyes. Silent mouths. Waiting... waiting for me to lead them.
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@PJH I'd tap that.
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@boomzilla that's just seaweed, no relation.
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@boomzilla said in Nope:
Kelp (seaweed). Common sight along the California coast. Seeing it silhouetted in a wave like that is cool, though.
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@tharpa How can you ethically defend eating anything that was ever alive, though? Vegetarianism smacks of anthropocentrism, in my eyes. If you want to avoid ethical hazard, never eat anything that was alive.
Anything anything?
Filed under: plants are alive, fungi might be alive, viruses are not food, dirt and rocks are not people food (INB4: Soylent green is people-"food".)
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@HardwareGeek said in Nope:
Seeing it silhouetted in a wave like that is cool, though.
Only if being in the middle of Stranger Things counts as cool.
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@djls45 Yep. Or, y'know, navigate the easily navigable ethical hazard.
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@HardwareGeek said in Nope:
Seeing it silhouetted in a wave like that is cool, though.
Only if being in the middle of Stranger Things counts as cool.
The point is, that is where you in fact are.
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@pie_flavor said in Nope:
@anotherusername said in Nope:
@Polygeekery Strongly doubt that lab-grown meat will be more sustainable, but I'd eat it if it tasted good.
edit: I wouldn't pay more for it, though.
The Impossible Burger tastes good enough. Why the fuck do you need to play God
It's our manifest destiny.
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"The one one the right is cute."
"He will die alone."