Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze
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@Medinoc said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
a dashcon reference?
That seems...unlikely.
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@boomzilla said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
a bit overblown
More than a bit. Yes, interest rates are far too low, but there's plenty of other forces to blame too.
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And what Evans wants, allegedly, can range from impractical to humiliating. Several employees related an anecdote in which flies had begun cropping up in the company’s San Francisco office. Evans—a vegan who at one point only allowed his employees to expense vegan meals on business trips—refused to implement a solution that would kill them. “I had to interview companies and ask if they had a catch-and-release program,” an employee recounted. “I went through links to help him understand that even that is not humane. It’s actually more stressful on the pests for you to catch them and relocate them.” Gizmodo could not confirm how or if the issue was resolved, and Juicero declined to make Evans available for an interview.
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And really, the foundation of the entire company is an almost mystical reverence for the nutritional powers contained in juice, and the necessity of pressing it at home—juicing tenets that, like Evans himself, are more about dogma than empiricism. In an interview with Recode, Evans is blunt in stating his beliefs about chi—a life force concept present in ancient Chinese medicine—and its apparent inability to remain within foods that have been exposed to heat, even the heat produced by other, inferior juicers. The flimsiness of these claims dawned on some employees during their tenure. “It just became harder and harder to make a case that this is really that healthy,” a former employee told Gizmodo.
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A Terracycle spokesperson confirmed to Gizmodo that consumers send their empty packs to Juicero where bulk shipments of empties are shipped to Trenton, then to a third-party facility for processing—four trips, including the initial purchase. Juicero declined to comment on the environmental impact of this extensive journey.
“The experts who put this together—because Doug told them that we had to have that for marketing purposes—made it very clear to me and others that, through their research, they’d determined 100 percent that it would leave a much larger carbon footprint to ship these [...] empty juice packs back East,” a former operations employee told Gizmodo.
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@bb36e So much of consumer recycling is a scam.
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@boomzilla said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
So much of consumer recycling is a scam.
Recycling is only efficient if it's done on a large scale, centralized, and in densely populated areas. If a company decides to recycle their customers' waste themselves, that's obviously horribly inefficient, unless the waste contains significant amounts of resources which are very expensive to produce (e.g. rare metals).
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@asdf said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
Recycling is only efficient if it's done on a large scale, centralized, and in densely populated areas.
But it also depends on what and how you're recycling. For instance, many programs are evaluated based on weight. What's a heavy, easy to recycle material? Glass! But it turns out that it's really easy to collect more glass than can be used. So it ends up getting transported to a far away land fill when there's a glut.
Stuff like aluminum makes a lot of sense.
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@boomzilla said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
But it turns out that it's really easy to collect more glass than can be used.
Are you saying that demand for glass is falling so significantly that we need less glass than is thrown away? That seems mathematically improbable.
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@boomzilla said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
Stuff like aluminum makes a lot of sense.
Paper as well, apparently, judging from the large amount of products made from recycled paper.
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@masonwheeler said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@boomzilla said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
But it turns out that it's really easy to collect more glass than can be used.
Are you saying that demand for glass is falling so significantly that we need less glass than is thrown away? That seems mathematically improbable.
Given plastics are being used more and more in places glass used to be, I can believe it.
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@masonwheeler said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
Are you saying that demand for glass is falling so significantly that we need less glass than is thrown away?
Demand for recycled glass. I'm not sure what the market is like right now, actually, but it has been a problem in the past.
Plastic, too:
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Cross posting, because I posted to the wrong thread the first time and @Yamikuronue showed me the way. :)
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@Polygeekery I was watching that video earlier but as I told my husband when he came back from gaming night, "I didn't feel right watching porn without you "
@Cloak15 and I both enjoyed the video
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@Yamikuronue it is a good one. If you liked that, check this one out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-vJxez9UF8
It even has a porn name.
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@Polygeekery I kept waiting for him to chop a thumb off. But he probably wasn't as drunk as I was while I watched.
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@Polygeekery LOL. Corinthian marble countertops.
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@boomzilla have you never watched AvE before? He is hilarious, but his humor is subtle.
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@Polygeekery said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
have you never watched AvE before?
Probably not.
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@Polygeekery AvE, my fellow canuckistanian!!
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@Polygeekery I love how simultaneously happy and angry he is through the whole video.
"This is awesome, but what the fuck!?"
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I see something our awesome Canadian uncle missed.
That's a fucking USB plug. That board will seat right into a USB port. Presumably for programming.
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@Polygeekery said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@boomzilla have you never watched AvE before? He is hilarious, but his humor is subtle.
Subtle?
Not really. It's pretty overt. But you need a fairly broad knowledgebase for all of it to hit.
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@Weng said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
That's a fucking USB plug. That board will seat right into a USB port. Presumably for programming.
I give it two months before someone has a new firmware that gets rid of the silly DRM on juice. It doesn't do that much. Press a button, lock the door, operate the ram. Easy peasy.
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@Weng said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Polygeekery said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@boomzilla have you never watched AvE before? He is hilarious, but his humor is subtle.
Subtle?
Not really. It's pretty overt. But you need a fairly broad knowledgebase for all of it to hit.
Maybe "nuanced" is the word I should have used?
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@Polygeekery said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
I give it two months before someone has a new firmware that gets rid of the silly DRM on juice.
I kind of just want to set up a cheap wifi pi that intercepts the API calls and returns whatever success it's looking for. $35 and an hour of coding, done.
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@Yamikuronue said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Polygeekery said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
I give it two months before someone has a new firmware that gets rid of the silly DRM on juice.
I kind of just want to set up a cheap wifi pi that intercepts the API calls and returns whatever success it's looking for. $35 and an hour of coding, done.
Given the level of expense in hardware, I'd expect full SSL mutual certificate auth.
Of course, sillycon valley, so it's inevitably just json over HTTP.
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@Weng said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Yamikuronue said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Polygeekery said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
I give it two months before someone has a new firmware that gets rid of the silly DRM on juice.
I kind of just want to set up a cheap wifi pi that intercepts the API calls and returns whatever success it's looking for. $35 and an hour of coding, done.
Given the level of expense in hardware, I'd expect full SSL mutual certificate auth.
Of course, sillycon valley, so it's inevitably just json over HTTP.
I bet it's their own proprietary format that breaks when TCP packets are segmented differently than it expects.
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@ben_lubar said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
I bet it's their own proprietary format that breaks when TCP packets are segmented differently than it expects.
That reminds me so much of Games for Windows Live…
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@Weng said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
Given the level of expense in hardware, I'd expect full SSL mutual certificate auth.
Of course, sillycon valley, so it's inevitably just json over HTTP.I'm actually surprised the processor is only $7. I kinda expected it to be running a full Ubuntu on Docker system or something.
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@ben_lubar said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
I bet it's their own proprietary format
Special XML? That would break in any legal parser?
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@boomzilla said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@NedFodder We're going to build a juicer and make the cattle farmers pay for it!
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@ben_lubar said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
TCP packets are segmented differently than it expects.
Is that possible? Unless they're implementing TCP on their own or something...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@ben_lubar said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
TCP packets are segmented differently than it expects.
Is that possible? Unless they're implementing TCP on their own or something...
It is absolutely possible. You are not thinking stupid enough.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@ben_lubar said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
TCP packets are segmented differently than it expects.
Is that possible? Unless they're implementing TCP on their own or something...
Maybe it's an embedded system and they had to implement their own TCP to save resources?
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@PleegWat said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
Maybe it's an embedded system and they had to implement their own TCP to save resources?
<serious> More likely that they're doing UDP only in those environments, as that requires a lot less memory. </serious>
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@ben_lubar said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Weng said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Yamikuronue said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Polygeekery said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
I give it two months before someone has a new firmware that gets rid of the silly DRM on juice.
I kind of just want to set up a cheap wifi pi that intercepts the API calls and returns whatever success it's looking for. $35 and an hour of coding, done.
Given the level of expense in hardware, I'd expect full SSL mutual certificate auth.
Of course, sillycon valley, so it's inevitably just json over HTTP.
I bet it's their own proprietary format that breaks when TCP packets are segmented differently than it expects.
Or for maximum fun, TCP packets where the enclosing IP packet ends up fragmented. (I've seen this happen. It is seriously demented, as ideas go.)
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@dkf said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
<serious> More likely that they're doing UDP only in those environments, as that requires a lot less memory. </serious>
You decide to go with UDP as that requires less memory. So you implement a simple mechanism to detect and re-send lost packets... then you add a sequence number to detect out-of-order packets... then you wonder if you should add some congestion control algorithm to improve reliability...
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@PleegWat said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
Maybe it's an embedded system and they had to implement their own TCP to save resources?
I recently heard of people that used AT modem commands to open connections. But it wasn't to save resources, my software uses libcurl in the same equipment. It was a superstition that going lower level it would be more reliable, because 3G is "different". It almost defeats the argument on my previous post.
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@wharrgarbl said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
It was a superstition that going lower level it would be more reliable
There are some cases where that is true, when going lower level gives you better control over recovery from error states. But sometimes it just means that you've got to do a shit-load of work to reimplement what you already had with nothing to show for it other than worse reliability…
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@dkf I think they just exchanged the standard tcp api for equivalent AT commands, the guy said the modem has an TCP stack. I bet it's pure superstition, and works exactly the same as with the standard functions.
Unreliable technology always create superstitions on the weak minds.
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@wharrgarbl I'll bet he got burned with a poor implementation in the past and decided to avoid that sort of thing as a result. I know I've done similar things. We all probably have.
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@PleegWat said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
Maybe it's an embedded system with no file system and they had to implement their own TCP to save resources?
FTFTDWTF.
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@Jaloopa said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
That's where scurvy comes in
Just eat orange foods: Personally I prefer M&Ms, but it is hard to get only the orange ones outside of Halloween so I supplement with cheetos.
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@Dragoon said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Jaloopa said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
That's where scurvy comes in
Just eat orange foods: Personally I prefer M&Ms, but it is hard to get only the orange ones outside of Halloween so I supplement with cheetos.
Don't eat too much orange food though, or you'll end up looking like You-Know-Who II.
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@Akko said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Dragoon said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Jaloopa said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
That's where scurvy comes in
Just eat orange foods: Personally I prefer M&Ms, but it is hard to get only the orange ones outside of Halloween so I supplement with cheetos.
Don't eat too much orange food though, or you'll end up looking like You-Know-Who II.
The son of Voldemort?
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@Rhywden said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Akko said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Dragoon said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Jaloopa said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
That's where scurvy comes in
Just eat orange foods: Personally I prefer M&Ms, but it is hard to get only the orange ones outside of Halloween so I supplement with cheetos.
Don't eat too much orange food though, or you'll end up looking like You-Know-Who II.
The son of Voldemort?
Not exactly who I meant, but sure, if you want to interpret it that way ;)
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@Akko said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Rhywden said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Akko said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Dragoon said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Jaloopa said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
That's where scurvy comes in
Just eat orange foods: Personally I prefer M&Ms, but it is hard to get only the orange ones outside of Halloween so I supplement with cheetos.
Don't eat too much orange food though, or you'll end up looking like You-Know-Who II.
The son of Voldemort?
Not exactly who I meant, but sure, if you want to interpret it that way ;)
Are there any other entities we should know about commonly referred to as "You-know-who"?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
Are there any other entities we should know about commonly referred to as "You-know-who"?
Yes, the wife of you-know-who
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@Luhmann said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer May Be Feeling the Squeeze:
Are there any other entities we should know about commonly referred to as "You-know-who"?
Yes, the wife of you-know-who
got it.