Because emoji are professional now
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@fbmac said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Akko German people wrote SAP, but french people wrote a WTF framework I have to use. You guys deserve each other.
Oh well it's all just good-natured teasing, I have a few french colleagues who I get along with just fine. Don't tell anybody I said that though XD
@izzion said in Because emoji are professional now:
Does that make Germany the hipster bullshit?
Ugh I feel like we do have a few too many hipsters here (read: more than zero)...
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@loopback0 said in Because emoji are professional now:
Slack is basically a more modern IRC.
You can literally use IRC if you want. One guy at work used ircII to connect to Slack.
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I have my burner hotmail account that I use only few newsletters, mailing lists, flyers, etc.
I make it a point not to do business with any corporation that sends me an email with an emoji in the subject.
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@Zemm But it's missing the most important feature: never once have I seen a netsplit occur on a Slack channel!
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@RaceProUK said in Because emoji are professional now:
@masonwheeler said in Because emoji are professional now:
netsplit
Sounds painful
More than that, it gets cut right in half!
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@masonwheeler said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Zemm But it's missing the most important feature: never once have I seen a netsplit occur on a Slack channel!
That would be hilarious. But then I guess they have designed their infrastructure to withstand those sorts of problems, rather than the ad hoc nature of many IRC networks.
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
Siehe »apt(8)« für mehr Informationen über die verfügbaren Befehle.
Konfigurations-Optionen und -Syntax sind detailliert in »apt.conf(5)« aufgeführt.
Informationen zur Konfiguration der Quellen finden Sie in »sources.list(5)« .
Paket- und Versionsauswahlen können mittels »apt_preferences(5)« erfolgen.
Sicherheitsdetails sind verfügbar in »apt-secure(8)«.One of my native languages uses them properly «like this», so this paragraph looks terrible to me. Even French got this right, so what's your excuse?
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@obeselymorbid said in Because emoji are professional now:
Even French got this right, so what's your excuse?
How is pointing outwards "right"? English quotation marks point inwards as well, because it makes sense to visually point towards the words you want to enclose in quotes, not away from them.
Which is also the reason why I don't like the regular German quotes. They also point away from the text they enclose. (Plus, the opening quote at the bottom is easily overlooked and simply doesn't look asthetically pleasing, more like a wart.)
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
How is pointing outwards "right"? English quotation marks point inwards as well, because it makes sense to visually point towards the words you want to enclose in quotes, not away from them.
I've never thought of them as pointing anywhere, but enclosing whatever's there like parentheses.
(content) ~= [content] ~= <content> ~= «content»
In that sense, »content« looks backwards.
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
How is pointing outwards "right"
FWIW I prefer my quotes "this way" even in handwriting (like a straight double apostrpophe with no direction).
@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
it makes sense to visually point towards the words you want to enclose in quotes, not away from them.
But if we do want to use « » stuff, I think it makes more sense to treat them like any other symbol of parentheses family - [{(<>)}] sort of enclosing the stuff inside.
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@hungrier said in Because emoji are professional now:
You already said better the same thing I did but I never saw that before you upvoted my post because of the retarded post streaming.
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@obeselymorbid I had that happen in another topic yesterday; I posted something and everything looked ok, but then after leaving and re-entering the topic there were a handful of posts before mine that I didn't see. Funny that whenever I see the "It looks like your connection has been disconnected" popup everything seems to work fine, but when it's broken I don't see it.
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
@obeselymorbid said in Because emoji are professional now:
Even French got this right, so what's your excuse?
How is pointing outwards "right"? English quotation marks point inwards as well, because it makes sense to visually point towards the words you want to enclose in quotes, not away from them.
Which is also the reason why I don't like the regular German quotes. They also point away from the text they enclose. (Plus, the opening quote at the bottom is easily overlooked and simply doesn't look asthetically pleasing, more like a wart.)
Yeah I just use the American style. Both of them at the top, which is easily visible, and they don't point anywhere, so no problems there ^^
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@Akko said in Because emoji are professional now:
Yeah I just use the
AmericanEnglish style. Both of them at the top, which is easily visible, and they don't point anywhere, so no problems there ^^FTFY
And not from a sense of patriotism: it's a feature of the language, not of the country.
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@RaceProUK yeah sorry I didn't really think about that, I guess you're right. Not that it makes a big difference in this case, since it's the same in both American and British English
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@Akko said in Because emoji are professional now:
they don't point anywhere
Unless you either use a keyboard layout that has the typographical versions or are inside Microsoft Word. ;)
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Akko said in Because emoji are professional now:
they don't point anywhere
Unless you either use a keyboard layout that has the typographical versions or are inside Microsoft Word. ;)
Hmm interesting... I never noticed that. Well then I'll just retract my entire statement. Not my day, apparently ^^"
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I'm still not convinced. The closing quotation mark "points" at the quote, but the opening one is just pointing off into space somewhere.
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@hungrier said in Because emoji are professional now:
I'm still not convinced.
I wasn't trying to convince anyone, just explaining my personal preference. YMMV.
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Akko said in Because emoji are professional now:
they don't point anywhere
Unless you either use a keyboard layout that has the typographical versions or are inside Microsoft Word. ;)
Or have a way to trigger the typographical versions. With WinCompose, there are 4 ways to type each of the typographical quotation marks used in English.
Now to wax a bit ic.
@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
@Akko said in Because emoji are professional now:
they don't point anywhere
Unless you … are inside Microsoft Word. ;)
It's not specific to Word, I've seen some other software so the same thing, but not in a while. Software that auto-inserts typographical quotes will detect the placement of quotation marks and then decide between the appropriate usage of ", “, and ”. Such software should do the same thing for single quotes (', ‘, and ’), since grammatical rules state that nested quotes should alternate between single and double quotes.
Useless background data inside
The straight quotes (" and ') were first introduced with typewriters as a way to preserve space on the keyboard. There were probably instances of this style of quotation mark being used in handwriting out of laziness or sloppiness prior to that, but the typewriter is where they started to become common. As a result, and because of limited resources, when the ASCII standard was created, the straight quotes were carried over into the computing world. Among other names, this style is often referred to as dumb or ASCII quotation marks.
The curved quotes (“, ”, ‘, and ’) are part of the Unicode character set. They were first used in the 15th century, written in the margins of manuscripts to indicate important passages, and evolved to the various forms used throughout Europe by the 19th century. In modern usage, this version of quotation marks are used primarily in printing and typesetting. As such, they are sometimes referred to as typographic quotation marks, though many on this forum probably know them best as smart quotes.
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@abarker said in Because emoji are professional now:
though many on this forum probably know them best as
smartstupid quotes from idiots who copy-paste stuff from Word, that always end up screwing up text in one way or another.FTFY
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@abarker said in Because emoji are professional now:
It's not specific to Word
Which I'd like to stop putting a closing single quote immediately after an opening double quote, please, thank you, and good night Seattle.
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@Akko said in Because emoji are professional now:
@RaceProUK yeah sorry I didn't really think about that, I guess you're right. Not that it makes a big difference in this case, since it's the same in both American and British English
Not necessarily. There are several instances where quotation marks are used in English:
- Direct speech This is quoting someone else's words.
- In American English, direct speech be indicated using double quotes.
- In British English, single quotes are the norm, though double quotes are acceptable.
- Direct speech in direct speech Basically the quote styles alternate in both American and British English. So in American English, the outermost quote uses double quotes, and the next level down uses single quotes. In British English, the style of the second level quotation marks depends on the style used for the outermost quotation marks.
- Indicating a word or phrase under discussion.
- In American English, either style of quotation mark is acceptable, so long as you are consistent throughout your entire written work. Also, associated punctuation should be inside the quotation marks, the same as with direct speech.
- In British English, it is preferred to use single quotation marks. Unlike American English, associated punctuation should be outside the quotation marks in this case.
source: [Oxford Dictionary]
- Direct speech This is quoting someone else's words.
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@asdf said in Because emoji are professional now:
@hungrier said in Because emoji are professional now:
I'm still not convinced.
I just read that as "I'm still not conceived."
I think it's time for lunch.
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@hungrier said in Because emoji are professional now:
I'm still not convinced. The closing quotation mark "points" at the quote, but the opening one is just pointing off into space somewhere.
But even if you're thinking about them pointing, they still fit the parentheses pattern with the way they are curved.
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@boomzilla What about air-quotes?
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@boomzilla How about this? At least for the garage.