'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon
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@LB_ Someone should point the nchanites at those guys. Watch them pwn the CEO of that proctor company with their own software.
"No, sir, to get access to your bank account, I'm gonna need you to clear your desk. Yes, all of it. OK now I need you to plug your phone into the computer so we can make sure you're not using it to cheat. If it catches on fire during the process, you're not allowed to put it out, OK?"
"Oh, looks like you got that question wrong :(. That's gonna be $10,000,000. Hope you get the next one right!"
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@sloosecannon said in WTF Bites:
proctor
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http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
"Hello, we're interested in interviewing you, so please submit to these procedures like the dirty rotten little cheater that you are" - ο°
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βCleaning my deskβ would take upwards of an hour to do properly
But yes, the article is pretty fucked up. Instead of crazy anti-cheating measures that can almost certainly still be bypassed by anyone who actually cares, maybe try coming up with questions that can't be easily googled?
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
maybe try coming up with questions that can't be easily googled?
Sounds like work
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@Jaloopa Plus when Google finishes their AI, there will be no such thing. "Google, what search algorithm should I use if I hav..." "A Google Doc containing the full answer to the question you were about to ask has been placed in your Google Drive."
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@sloosecannon said in WTF Bites:
@LB_ Someone should point
the nchanites@cartman82 at those guys.
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@sloosecannon said in WTF Bites:
Someone should point the nchanites at those guys.
I'm sure they already have enough pron and junk mail to go around.
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http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
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http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
I'm wondering what they do about people who don't have a camera and mic attached. Auto-fail because poor, never use videochat, and/or don't make cheap YouTube videos?
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http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
This is by far the creepiest and shittiest interview process I have seen!! Why did you post this in WTF Bites? This deserves its own subcategory, Jeff Please?
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http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
It's funny that always when someone posts a story about being wronged there are always people who go like: wouldn't happen to me, I'd tell those bastards to go fuck themselves! I'm soooo much better! Look at me!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
Post
A lot of people mentioned in the comments here/on Reddit/on Hacker News that I should have used a VM (keeping aside the question of whether or not they can detect that, I was not aware how intrusive the interview was going to be before beginning), or that I deserved the experience because I downloaded a piece of software that an interviewer told me to download.
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I've used ProctorU for actually taking academic tests (for online university classes), and it worked pretty well for that. Finding a quiet place to not be disturbed was the biggest issue at the time. My family was pretty good about leaving me alone for that; often the test was scheduled early enough that most of them were still in bed (timezone difference between us and the proctors).
I don't see how useful it would actually be for an interview. It just seems like the wrong way to do it.
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@dcon said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
But then you'd bypass The Log Out Procedure!
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@The_Quiet_One said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
But then you'd bypass The Log Out Procedure!
Sounds like a good salesman tactic
[doorbell rings]
"Good morning sir, would you like to buy an encyclopedia set?"
"No, why would I want that? Go away"
"Ah, in that case we must initiate a going away procedure! Just sign these forms, it will only take 5 minutes"
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@anonymous234 said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@The_Quiet_One said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
But then you'd bypass The Log Out Procedure!
Sounds like a good salesman tactic
[doorbell rings]
"Good morning sir, would you like to buy an encyclopedia set?"
"No, why would I want that? Go away"
"Ah, in that case we must initiate a going away procedure! Just sign these forms, it will only take 5 minutes"Followed by 20 minutes of the salesman rummaging through papers in his folder before the guy finally just gives up and slams the door, and then operates the irrigation system.
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@The_Quiet_One said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dcon said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
But then you'd bypass The Log Out Procedure!
It is a Brave New World
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@anonymous234 Remove yourself from my property immediately or I will be forced to call the police.
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I wonder what interview experiences Amazon has had to make them go to this lengths.
You know, like when you see "absolutely no ferrets allowed" sign, you just KNOW there's a story behind that.
Alternatively, the hiring was outsourced to someone more used to dealing with seasonal no-skill workers then programmers.
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@cartman82 said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
I wonder what interview experiences Amazon has had to make them go to this lengths.
You know, like when you see "absolutely no ferrets allowed" sign, you just KNOW there's a story behind that.
Alternatively, the hiring was outsourced to someone more used to dealing with seasonal no-skill workers then programmers.
I hope this is not giving you ideas for your next series of Cartman interviews a lying ferret
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@dcon said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
I interviewed with a different company last year that had an interview process similar to this. After discovering that said company had showed up on the front page several times, I decided that I was never going to work for them. However, I kept going just to get some practice...
... until I got to right before this stage of the interview. There was absolutely no chance that I was going to give somebody that much access to my computer. I gave them the polite equivalent of the and ran away screaming.
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@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
Post
A lot of people mentioned in the comments here/on Reddit/on Hacker News that I should have used a VM (keeping aside the question of whether or not they can detect that, I was not aware how intrusive the interview was going to be before beginning), or that I deserved the experience because I downloaded a piece of software that an interviewer told me to download.
And if they wanted a webcam, FaceRig! That simulated environment will certainly be free of distractions and papers!
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@Tsaukpaetra That could be constructed as fraud. And any company taking an approach like that I'd consider capable of actually following up on that too.
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TIL that "proctor" == "proctologist" in the opinion of ProctorU and Amazon.
Filed Under: On second thought, a colonoscopy would be less invasive than the 'interview process' described was.
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@anonymous234 said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@The_Quiet_One said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
But then you'd bypass The Log Out Procedure!
Sounds like a good salesman tactic
[doorbell rings]
"Good morning sir, would you like to buy an encyclopedia set?"
"No, why would I want that? Go away"
"Ah, in that case we must initiate a going away procedure! Just sign these forms, it will only take 5 minutes"This reminds me of the sign I was once thinking of putting on my front door, after a several evangelists tried to get me to talk to them:
User End License Agreement
This shrink-wrap license applies to any access to the apartment and its inhabitants for the purpose of indoctrinating them with a religious, spiritual, philosophical, political, or ideological position, or discussing such positions, under any and all circumstances. By attempting to communicate with the inhabitants of this apartment, you are agreeing to the terms of the license. Upon beginning any conversation on the subjects listed above, you invoke the license.- The residents shall be payable an amount no less than $1,000,000 US for the privilege of discussion on these topics, to be rendered at the initiation of the conversation.
- The individuals initiating the conversation shall be liable for the forfeit of their lives and immortal souls upon completion of the conversation, with the souls to be rendered to Satan, condemned to Tartarus, scattered to the Outer Dark, or whichever form of damnation the invoking individuals believe least desirable.
BY KNOCKING ON THIS DOOR WITH THE INTENTION OF CONVERSING ON THESE SUBJECTS YOU ARE IRREVOCABLY INVOKING THIS AGREEMENT.
Thank you for your cooperation.
-- The MGT
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@ScholRLEA said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
upon completion of the conversation
Bad mistake. They might regard the conversation as merely being in abeyance, not completed.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
Post
A lot of people mentioned in the comments here/on Reddit/on Hacker News that I should have used a VM (keeping aside the question of whether or not they can detect that, I was not aware how intrusive the interview was going to be before beginning), or that I deserved the experience because I downloaded a piece of software that an interviewer told me to download.
And if they wanted a webcam, FaceRig! That simulated environment will certainly be free of distractions and papers!
And now you are responsible for AI taking over our jerbs!
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@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
Post
A lot of people mentioned in the comments here/on Reddit/on Hacker News that I should have used a VM (keeping aside the question of whether or not they can detect that, I was not aware how intrusive the interview was going to be before beginning), or that I deserved the experience because I downloaded a piece of software that an interviewer told me to download.
And if they wanted a webcam, FaceRig! That simulated environment will certainly be free of distractions and papers!
And now you are responsible for AI taking over our jerbs!
What are you talking about? I can barely hold one job! Why would I want MORE??!?!?!?
Oh, speaking of:
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@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
Post
A lot of people mentioned in the comments here/on Reddit/on Hacker News that I should have used a VM (keeping aside the question of whether or not they can detect that, I was not aware how intrusive the interview was going to be before beginning), or that I deserved the experience because I downloaded a piece of software that an interviewer told me to download.
And if they wanted a webcam, FaceRig! That simulated environment will certainly be free of distractions and papers!
And now you are responsible for AI taking over our jerbs!
What are you talking about? I can barely hold one job! Why would I want MORE??!?!?!?
You can devise AI to interview, take jerbs, and send you the check. MORE MONEYZZ!
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@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
Post
A lot of people mentioned in the comments here/on Reddit/on Hacker News that I should have used a VM (keeping aside the question of whether or not they can detect that, I was not aware how intrusive the interview was going to be before beginning), or that I deserved the experience because I downloaded a piece of software that an interviewer told me to download.
And if they wanted a webcam, FaceRig! That simulated environment will certainly be free of distractions and papers!
And now you are responsible for AI taking over our jerbs!
What are you talking about? I can barely hold one job! Why would I want MORE??!?!?!?
You can devise AI to interview, take jerbs, and send you the check. MORE MONEYZZ!
I think I could do that maybe twice before someone comes around to sue... :D
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@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
You can devise AI to interview, take jerbs, and send you the check
So, children?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
Post
A lot of people mentioned in the comments here/on Reddit/on Hacker News that I should have used a VM (keeping aside the question of whether or not they can detect that, I was not aware how intrusive the interview was going to be before beginning), or that I deserved the experience because I downloaded a piece of software that an interviewer told me to download.
And if they wanted a webcam, FaceRig! That simulated environment will certainly be free of distractions and papers!
And now you are responsible for AI taking over our jerbs!
What are you talking about? I can barely hold one job! Why would I want MORE??!?!?!?
You can devise AI to interview, take jerbs, and send you the check. MORE MONEYZZ!
I think I could do that maybe twice before someone comes around to sue... :D
Or before they become self-conscious, realize they are ugly and wretched and unloved, and come after their creator who did not make them after his own image.
@Yamikuronue said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
So, children?
Yes but they live in some AWS instance in someone else's data center
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@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
Post
A lot of people mentioned in the comments here/on Reddit/on Hacker News that I should have used a VM (keeping aside the question of whether or not they can detect that, I was not aware how intrusive the interview was going to be before beginning), or that I deserved the experience because I downloaded a piece of software that an interviewer told me to download.
And if they wanted a webcam, FaceRig! That simulated environment will certainly be free of distractions and papers!
And now you are responsible for AI taking over our jerbs!
What are you talking about? I can barely hold one job! Why would I want MORE??!?!?!?
You can devise AI to interview, take jerbs, and send you the check. MORE MONEYZZ!
I think I could do that maybe twice before someone comes around to sue... :D
Or before they become self-conscious, realize they are ugly and wretched and unloved, and come after their creator who did not make them after his own image.
I'm not ugly! And even if I were, that doesn't matter, I'm not entering any beauty contests anyways...
Wait, we're not talking about me, right?
@Yamikuronue said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
So, children?
Yes but they live in some AWS instance in someone else's data center
Kek, better than Azure, if only just...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
I'm not ugly! And even if I were, that doesn't matter, I'm not entering any beauty contests anyways...
Wait, we're not talking about me, right?Is this Frankenstein's monster or Frankenstein speaking?
If you make AI just make sure, they look good K?
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@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
I'm not ugly! And even if I were, that doesn't matter, I'm not entering any beauty contests anyways...
Wait, we're not talking about me, right?Is this Frankenstein's monster or Frankenstein speaking?
If you make AI just make sure, they look good K?
And by whose beauty measures should I follow?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
I'm not ugly! And even if I were, that doesn't matter, I'm not entering any beauty contests anyways...
Wait, we're not talking about me, right?Is this Frankenstein's monster or Frankenstein speaking?
If you make AI just make sure, they look good K?
And by whose beauty measures should I follow?
Intel's.
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@dcon said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@dse said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
I'm not ugly! And even if I were, that doesn't matter, I'm not entering any beauty contests anyways...
Wait, we're not talking about me, right?Is this Frankenstein's monster or Frankenstein speaking?
If you make AI just make sure, they look good K?
And by whose beauty measures should I follow?
Intel's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCoRnjxc8tQ
???
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@cartman82 said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
Alternatively, the hiring was outsourced to someone more used to dealing with seasonal no-skill workers then programmers.
So the same process Amazon already uses for 99% of their workers?
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@dcon said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
If they feel comfortable with this much intrusion for an interview, just how much intrusion into personal life do they feel comfortable with, for an employee?
I took an interview from Amazon, this story doesn't surprise me. It's just a step up from what they did to me.
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@bugmenot said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@cartman82 said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
Alternatively, the hiring was outsourced to someone more used to dealing with seasonal no-skill workers then programmers.
So the same process Amazon already uses for 99% of their workers?
Based on what some people I know who have worked for Amazon have said1 , I wouldn't be terribly surprised.
- Man, this xyz problem sucks. I sure wish I could come up with a solution to it.
Well, you could [plausible solution to xyz]...
You're only a grade E3. I'm a grade E5, and you don't know what you're talking about.
- Man, this xyz problem sucks. I sure wish I could come up with a solution to it.
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So I dodged a bullet there.
Somewhere along the line, Agile becomes such a massive process that they forget people > process
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@Groaner Related:
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/325800/exclusive-amazon-workers-sleeping-in-tents-near-dunfermline-site/
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@xaade said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
So I dodged a bullet there.
Somewhere along the line, Agile becomes such a massive process that they forget people > process
It continues to amaze me that there is still a steady stream of people who will willingly submit to such nonsense.
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@Groaner said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@bugmenot said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@cartman82 said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
Alternatively, the hiring was outsourced to someone more used to dealing with seasonal no-skill workers then programmers.
So the same process Amazon already uses for 99% of their workers?
Based on what some people I know who have worked for Amazon have said1 , I wouldn't be terribly surprised.
- Man, this xyz problem sucks. I sure wish I could come up with a solution to it.
Well, you could [plausible solution to xyz]...
You're only a grade E3. I'm a grade E5, and you don't know what you're talking about.
That sounds like Samsung. s/E5/Korean, s/E3/not-Korean/.
- Man, this xyz problem sucks. I sure wish I could come up with a solution to it.
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@xaade said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
Somewhere along the line, Agile becomes such a massive process that they forget people > process
BLASPHEMY !!! Nothing is more important than The Process!
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@Groaner said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@xaade said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
So I dodged a bullet there.
Somewhere along the line, Agile becomes such a massive process that they forget people > process
It continues to amaze me that there is still a steady stream of people who will willingly submit to such nonsense.
Because it's Amazon, and web design is the cutting edge!
I worked for "cutting edge" for 4 months. The internal corporate culture is ridiculous.
The saddest part is that it was counter-culture to the actual company culture, which was far more balanced, and rewarded risk taking and general humanity. Whereas the particular team I worked for was paranoid of failure, etc.
I came back from company training saying, "oh look they're pro employee, and feel that employee appreciation ranks up with customer appreciation, and they said don't be afraid to make mistakes." at which point I was literally told, "forget all that."
A couple of weeks later I was told, "You left mid-Friday", to which I replied, "Yeah, but I was in office to midnight on Wednesday." To which they replied, "It's about perception, and some of the marketing team watched you leave."