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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
I kind of doubt it, as I only see three cats around here
I'm merely commenting on the possibilities, and tomcats hardly ever fight unless there's a queen coming into heat. It could be a feral cat, and she might never go anywhere where you can observe it (as their territories are rather smaller than those of toms). Also, the territories of tomcats can partially overlap if food is plentiful (certainly true with housecats if they're not neglected) so things can be primed yet peaceful most of the time.
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@swayde said in Internet of shit:
Dammit. The ending is missing!
Legal has taken over, I did my part and the rest is over my pay grade.
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
@mott555 said in Internet of shit:
hooray for progress
If at least it got a local alarm sound so the dumbass who left it open would know.
No, just ping my phone. I'll drive from work to close it.
Smart indeed
The perfect use-case for re-commissioning that really old desktop tower with a CD-ROM drive...
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@Zecc said in Internet of shit:
If the battery runs out while you're wearing them, don't sweat it. Your shoes will still unlace so you never get stuck.
Oh wow, they thought of everything!
"I forgot to charge my shoes.", I could say to myself in the morning. That sounds nice.
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@Gribnit said in Internet of shit:
"I forgot to charge my shoes.", I could say to myself in the morning. That sounds nice.
How about "My shoes got wet, so they shorted out and burst into flames"?
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@topspin said in Internet of shit:
I thought your fridge was called “front door”!?
Soviet joke:
What does a Chukchi do with a fridge?
He sits in it to get warm.
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
@cvi said in Internet of shit:
burst into flames
Samsung shoes?
Asics is Korean, isn’t it? And doesn’t Samsung own pretty much everything in South Korea nowadays?
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@Gurth
Japanese. Famous as the yellow Onitsuka Tigers worn by Uma Thurman in Kill Bill.
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@Luhmann said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth
Japanese.Oh yeah, so it is.
Famous as the yellow Onitsuka Tigers worn by Uma Thurman in Kill Bill.
You say that as if this would help me know the company is Japanese. All I know is she wears a yellow tracksuit in that film. At least, I assume you’re referring to the tracksuit.
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@DCoder said in Internet of shit:
@topspin said in Internet of shit:
I thought your fridge was called “front door”!?
Soviet joke:
What does a Chukchi do with a fridge?
He sits in it to get warm.A guy calls his friend in northern Siberia:
"How are you? I heard it's very cold there now."
"No, it's okay, it's about -15° C."
"That's not too bad. The radio said it gets below -60° C."
"Oh, that's only outdoors."
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A US apartment company is migrating all of their 40k apartment units to a known-to-be-garbage smart door lock (apparently Yale, whose UK branch we have already seen in this thread) and other Internet-of-shit gadgets. Infosec specialist renting one of their apartments is not amused by this forced upgrade, for a number of reasons.
Those gadgets are going to get some thorough proctology exams soon.
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@DCoder I've got a SmartLock but
a) it does not have to be connected to the Internet
b) it still allows a mechanical key to work (as it basically wraps around a spare key permanently in the lock and EU locks are required to be unlockable on both sides)
c) you don't even need an app, you can also use an included key fob.This works just fine for me because I can thus give the key fob to a neighbour so that she can, for instance, let in a mechanic while I'm away (we have a semi-annual inspection of our fire alarms and those guys usually come around when I'm at school). This also allows me to see when the door was locked/unlocked and by which means - so I'd be aware if my neighbour suddenly developed snooping tendencies (unlikely but still...)
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“Our recent study of the Nest platform shows that it is reasonably secure, in comparison with other similar platforms,”
Because that's such a high bar...
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
“Our recent study of the Nest platform shows that it is reasonably secure, in comparison with other similar platforms,”
Because that's such a high bar...
I like the "reasonably secure". Nice squishy word...
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Are you considered smart if you buy a smart bike?
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@TimeBandit
I'll bet his feet smart now...
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
Are you considered smart if you buy a smart bike?
Don't worry - the upcoming smart shoes will make sure you won't be able to walk home either.
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@Gąska In Germany we have a "Einstweilige Verfügung" (mandatory injunction?) for such cases where changes like these are stopped dead in their tracks until a court had time to decide whether the changes are legal or not.
Then again, you better be sure that you'll win that one because otherwise you'll open a can of worms.
Plus, we also have stronger laws where it's actually illegal for the landlord to be in possession of a set of backup keys.
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@Rhywden USA has something similar:
But I imagine it would take a VERY good lawyer to pull this off. And a lot more time than a week.
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@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
@Rhywden USA has something similar:
But I imagine it would take a VERY good lawyer to pull this off. And a lot more time than a week.
No, that's the exact point of a preliminary injunction: You're skipping a lot of the usual stuff because you pinky-swear that something imminent will wreak havoc upon something. Think the beginning of the Hitchhiker's Guide. In Germany, such injunctions can be invoked from one day to the next if all goes really well, otherwise 2 to 3 days.
Which means that you basically provide a bulletin points list of "Why this is a bad thing!" to a judge who then considers the case on your list alone.
This means, of course, that you're opening yourself up to liability damages in case the court later decides that you done goofed.
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@Rhywden I was talking about the US thing. Germany is widely known for obstructionism being easy and accessible. Whereas USA is widely known for everyone needing a good lawyer.
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Got in our @Zipcar we've been driving for 3 days. It doesn't start. Call Zipcar and get told that the car can't access the internet so it won't start. The only option is to have a tow truck come and tow it to somewhere where it has internet.
Update: we moved the car 4 feet and it started
Source: @SmileyKeith
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@DCoder dat reply:
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@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
@Rhywden I was talking about the US thing. Germany is widely known for obstructionism being easy and accessible. Whereas USA is widely known for everyone needing a good lawyer.
Wait I was actually downvoted for this? Which part did I get wrong?
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@Gąska Don't ask me. I fully agree with your statement
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@Gąska Ask @boomzilla he's listed as the one downvoting you.
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@PleegWat he'll refuse to answer on the grounds of his allergy to debates.
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@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
he'll
refuse to answer on the grounds of his allergy to debates.FTFY
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@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
@Rhywden I was talking about the US thing. Germany is widely known for obstructionism being easy and accessible. Whereas USA is widely known for everyone needing a good lawyer.
Wait I was actually downvoted for this? Which part did I get wrong?
I could add to that if you wanted. Then you'd at least know the reason for half the downboats.
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
@hungrier said in Internet of shit:
There's got to be some better way. Maybe some kind of internet connected smart outhouse
We could look for a way to IoTify one of these:
It could then really lay claim to the name Internet of Shit.
We've had smart™ diapers already, and considering the amount of functions you can have in a toilet seat I'm sure finding one with cloudified intertubes built in takes no more than a trip to your favorite Japanese home improvement store.
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@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
Japanese home improvement store
So Ikea for Home Depot, but it's Japan?
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@sloosecannon said in Internet of shit:
@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
Japanese home improvement store
So Ikea for Home Depot, but it's Japan?
Sounds like the basis for a horror film.
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@dcon said in Internet of shit:
@sloosecannon said in Internet of shit:
@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
Japanese home improvement store
So Ikea for Home Depot, but it's Japan?
Sounds like the basis for a horror film.
With tentacles. Don't forget the tentacles.
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@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
In some parts of the US (but not Illinois, it seems), it would be legal for a tenant to change the door locks. The landlord is only supposed to enter the rental property with advance notice to the tenant and under certain circumstances, but they might still be required to give the landlord a spare key. They would definitely be required to change the lock back and/or give the new key to the landlord at the end of their lease, at least.
If the law doesn't specifically address locks, then it probably depends on what the lease says about tenants making modifications to the unit, and typically, it will prohibit unauthorized modifications. However, that can leave tenants the option of getting their landlord's permission, if the landlord is willing to give it.
If her landlord is sympathetic to her situation, but is being required to install smart locks on all of the units, they might be able to okay her installing a lock of her own (and giving the landlord a spare key) in addition to the smart one.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Internet of shit:
@dcon said in Internet of shit:
@sloosecannon said in Internet of shit:
@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
Japanese home improvement store
So Ikea for Home Depot, but it's Japan?
Sounds like the basis for a horror film.
With tentacles. Don't forget the tentacles.
:thats-my-fetish.jpg:
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@Tsaukpaetra
:not_surprised.scr:
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The device
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Conclusion
In a very short limited amount of time, three vulnerabilities have been discovered:- Wifi credentials of the user have been recovered (stored in plaintext into the flash memory).
- No security settings. The device is completely open (no secure boot, no debug interface disabled, no flash encryption).
- Root certificate and RSA private key have been extracted.
Source: Xeni Jardin @xeni
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Some belated updates from the Not-So-Smart Home story:
This in particular seems important:
I’m […] having substantial trouble finding any major property management company that hasn’t partnered with this startup in the past year.
Afterwards, make sure to read her blog post:
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