Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb
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@Groaner said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
It also turns out that there are these things called "staging lanes," and this thing called "heat soak," and waiting motionless for a while tends to allow heat to quickly and easily build up. I don't think a 115mph pass is going to happen unless it's during a private rental so that airflow can keep intake temperatures low, or unless the blower gets iced down, which I'm hesitant to do as I hear that thermal contraction can warp the rotors.
Intercooler?
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@Polygeekery said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Rhywden said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Strangely enough, we're perfectly able to do that in Germany.
Yeah, you just don't bother. Guilty until proven innocent in these cases.
Not a real good argument to try and make.
Seems their solution is to hold people accountable for their property, but when that too becomes a problem of provability, they come up with these non-reliable methods of recording who was driving at the moment.
Rather than relying on first hand accounts that would be generated if an actual person were witness to the crime, or if the camera could even record the actual driver.
Nope, better to create this weird dystopian solution of who knows how many false positives, all because they can't imagine how anyone would successfully subvert that system.
I'd rather not rely on a system where I have to notify the police that my property was stolen, and where parking at a park and ride doesn't leave me vulnerable to negligence.
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@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Gurth I know what an induction loop is, dummy. I was asking how it determines the speed of the vehicle.
Using two loops some distance apart.
it later occurred to me that they probably just use 2 sensors a fixed distance apart, but close enough that they'll only get 1 car at a time.
Oh, I got ’d by yourself already :)
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@dcon said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Motorcycles and lane splitting.
I had to look up whether that means what I suspected it does (riding between two lanes of slow traffic on a motorcycle), but I think the bike would go unnoticed by the loop completely, since a set of induction loops to catch speeders would have to be single-lane.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I'd rather not rely on a system where I have to notify the police that my property was stolen
Wut? So, in case your car is stolen you don't want to have to claim it as stolen? Do you only drive $200 cars which break down when you look at them?
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@Polygeekery said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Rhywden said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Strangely enough, we're perfectly able to do that in Germany.
Yeah, you just don't bother. Guilty until proven innocent in these cases.
Not a real good argument to try and make.
Well, here's the thing: The system worked once in your favour. You don't get a court to order you to keep a logbook for nothing.
What do you expect when you tell a court: "Well, I can't remember who drove my car!" other than to say: "Well, then we'll help you remember next time this happens!"
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@Polygeekery said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Groaner said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
It also turns out that there are these things called "staging lanes," and this thing called "heat soak," and waiting motionless for a while tends to allow heat to quickly and easily build up. I don't think a 115mph pass is going to happen unless it's during a private rental so that airflow can keep intake temperatures low, or unless the blower gets iced down, which I'm hesitant to do as I hear that thermal contraction can warp the rotors.
Intercooler?
Yes, actually. If I drive in circles for a couple minutes in the pit areas, I can usually drop the IATs significantly, but as soon as I line up again, if we're sitting for more than a couple minutes, the temps go right back up.
I may eventually throw money at a larger intercooler reservoir or better heat exchanger, but that gets expensive fast. I've also heard about systems that use the car's A/C, and while that seems much better than icing the intake manifold or using a trunk icebox, I hear those installs "never go right."
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I think he's referring to lobbying power and the way government seems to be bought out by lobbyists.
Nonono, that's what happen in the american government, where a diverse ecosystem of corporations buy politicians with lobbysts. That's more healthy, because these companies have different interests that average in something reasonable most of the time.
Here the political campaigns are funded heavily by "construction companies" that just get paid to not construct anything, big banks and drug dealers.
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@Rhywden said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I'd rather not rely on a system where I have to notify the police that my property was stolen
Wut? So, in case your car is stolen you don't want to have to claim it as stolen? Do you only drive $200 cars which break down when you look at them?
I don't want to be held liable for the period of time my car is stolen without my knowledge.
But, you're not actually interested in understanding what I'm saying, and you don't have a grasp of innocent until proven guilty.
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@Polygeekery said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Someone stole my wife's car from the park and ride.
@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I'm sorry, I only thought it was stolen. Girlfriend rode off in it and forgot to call me...
Yeah, I think you have bigger problems than a red light camera.
Not until the wife finds out, or the gf gets knocked up.
You're assuming the gf knows about the wife. There may be one more looming problem...
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
And then officer friendly pays extra close attention to him after he gets out because it's a small town
Small towns tend to not have police co-located.
Depends on whether there's a large city right next to it that can offer police support.
If there isn't, the town probably has one or two cops on its whole entire force, and it's no skin off their teeth to drive by the guy's house every day.
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@Gurth yeah, I fed myself a red herring by mistakenly thinking of those rubber strips they lay down in roads to count traffic. If you know the lengths of the cars you could figure out how fast they're going as it counts each axle separately, but it's not really the purpose. And then it occurred to me that even those they could just use two strips a fixed distance apart and time it from the first set of axles to hit each one.
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@Polygeekery said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Gurth said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I don’t have a car, and even if I did I wouldn’t be allowed to drive it on public roads
Wait...what? Huh? Why?
I assumed @gurth has some condition that makes it unable to drive a car-- like being blind, or [insert racist/sexist comment here lol]
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@Polygeekery said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Not until the wife finds out, or the gf gets knocked up.
If the GF is stealing the wife's car, he's only one step away from coming home to a boiling rabbit.
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@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
and it's no skin off their teeth to drive by the guy's house every day.
Unless it's part of some probation, that's arguably harassment.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
and it's no skin off their teeth to drive by the guy's house every day.
Unless it's part of some probation, that's arguably harassment.
The the town drunk of the podunk fucknothing town can go to the town judge and say "Officer bob and frank are harassing me"
To which the judge would say "You're a goddamn fall down drunk, Goober. You're lucky I didn't have them beat your ass behind the barn. If you darken my doorstep one more time, I'll be sure they stage an 'accident' and nothing remains except your charred corpse and dental records."
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@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
You're lucky I didn't have them beat your ass behind the barn
Police brutality?!?!?
How about we let cops beat down everyone with a possession charge, whenever the fuck they feel like it.
I think a problem with this conversation, is that you're mixing up what you'd like to happen to people you know are terrible people, and the fact that people actually have rights.
Sure, in a reasonable setting, a demonstrated town drunk failure would not really be able to complain, especially if they ended up with a vehicular homicide charge.
However, you're assuming that the judge and the cops are always stand up people.
The town drunk's rights need to be protected too, or we'll end up with corrupt cops that like to hunt people for sport, and can justify it with "criminal scum", and we're back in the dark ages.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
"RED LIGHT CAMERAS MAKE TAILGATERS CRASH!"
Show me where I said that, or admit you're the one who's actually .
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@xaade in a town that small, they could drive up and down every street twice between their morning coffee & doughnut break and lunch.
Anyway, I'd be surprised if losing your license doesn't include some kind of probation, whether it's supervised or unsupervised. And either way it gives the cops a valid reason to keep an eye on you.
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@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Anyway, I'd be surprised if losing your license doesn't include some kind of probation, whether it's supervised or unsupervised. And either way it gives the cops a valid reason to keep an eye on you.
Typically the drunk would either be checked on every x period, or they'd have to report in.
However, it doesn't prevent scenarios like that kid Patrick, who said he was Patrick, was accused of being Mike, arrested him without reading rights, and continued to berate him until half the community showed up asking why they were arresting Patrick. But the kid was on probation, so no accountability for the cops. At the end, the kid was tazed for not getting out of his car because he was asking for the cops to show the warrant they were carrying. And then the cop said, "oops, but he looked like Mike". Patrick had just reported to his probation officer and knew there was no warrant on him.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Typically the drunk would either be checked on every x period, or they'd have to report in.
d by my abbr-text.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
scenarios like that kid Patrick, who said he was Patrick, was accused of being Mike, arrested him without reading rights, and continued to berate him until half the community showed up asking why they were arresting Patrick
He caused most of that by not following the cops' instructions.
they repeatedly told him to get up. He asked to see the warrant ... he didn’t cooperate, even trying to close the car door ... Then police tased and arrested him.
Not really a surprising outcome.
Yeah, we all know that getting in an encounter with the cops is no fun. Especially when you didn't do anything. But if he'd cooperated, got out of the car, they'd have asked him for his ID, and it would've all been sorted. Instead he was uncooperative, and in forcing the cops to have to deal with that it really only delayed the point where they were actually able to check his ID.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
is that you're mixing up what you'd like to happen to people you know are terrible people, and the fact that people actually have rights.
I'm not saying my preference one way or another. I'm saying what would happen to the town drunk in a tiny town where he's pissed off the cops and judge and EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYONE BY FIRST NAME ANYWAYS.
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Ok... ?
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@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
He caused most of that by not following the cops' instructions.
This is one of those cases where I disagree.
Most of these cases, I conclude that resisting arrest is the problem. However, this isn't resisting arrest. Asking for a warrant before arrest is a valid request.
@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
But if he'd cooperated, got out of the car, they'd have asked him for his ID
There was no indication that the cop intended to ask for ID.
If the cop had asked for ID first, then none of it would have happened.
This is not the way to serve a warrant.
Obviously the warrant wasn't the type that allowed the cop to ambush on sight.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Asking for a warrant before arrest is a valid request.
Asking for a warrant before a search is a valid request. Asking for it before an arrest 1) almost certainly won't prevent you from being arrested, 2) pisses them off needlessly, and 3) probably won't mean a damn thing to you anyway, because you're not a lawyer. What good is the warrant going to be to you?
The cops don't really even need a reason to arrest you. You're interfering with their investigation? That alone is cause for them to arrest you, and then they can continue their investigation, once unhindered by you. The question of whether they had just cause only comes into play once you get to court, or if they want to hold you for an extended period of time, at which point, they need to come up with a crime that you justifiably can be accused of committing.
There was no indication that the cop intended to ask for ID.
Other than the fact that it's pretty much what they always do when the suspect is cooperating with their instructions?
My entire theory here is that they almost certainly would've asked him for his ID shortly after asking him to get out of the car, if he'd cooperated with them in the first place. Dealing with his uncooperativeness only delayed the process.
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As long as the police have good reason (called "probable cause") to believe that a crime has been committed and that the person they want to arrest committed the crime, they can, with just one exception, make an arrest without asking a judge for a warrant.
The exception? There are few places where the adage "a man's home is his castle" still applies, and an arrest at home is one of them. The police must have a warrant to arrest a person at home if the arrest is for a nonserious offense -- such as a simple assault -- and there is no fear that the person they want to arrest will destroy evidence or cause harm to the public.The person was not in the process of committing a crime, even.
You absolutely can ask for a warrant if they stroll up to your driveway and arrest you without reason.
This is different from the guy selling singles or cds, because that guy was in the process of committing a crime.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
You absolutely can ask for a warrant if they stroll up to your driveway and arrest you without reason.
Sure you can. And it 1) almost certainly won't prevent you from being arrested, 2) pisses them off needlessly, and 3) probably won't mean a damn thing to you anyway, because you're not a lawyer.
You know what "save it for the judge" means, right?
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@Polygeekery said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Gurth said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I don’t have a car, and even if I did I wouldn’t be allowed to drive it on public roads
Wait...what? Huh? Why?
No driver’s licence == not being allowed to drive a car on a public road.
@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I assumed @gurth has some condition that makes it unable to drive a car-- like being blind, or [insert racist/sexist comment here lol]
Nope, nothing of the sort.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I think a problem with this conversation, is that you're mixing up what you'd like to happen to people you know are terrible people, and the fact that people actually have rights.
Also, drunks are not terrible people.
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@Gurth said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
No driver’s licence == not being allowed to drive a car on a public road.
But assuming then that you do get a car, is there any reason why you could not then also get a drivers license?
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@heterodox said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I think a problem with this conversation, is that you're mixing up what you'd like to happen to people you know are terrible people, and the fact that people actually have rights.
Also, drunks are not terrible people.
Drunk drivers are.
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@Polygeekery said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
What do you think will happen exactly? The absolute worst would be a misfire, but that will not happen either because they are using a variation of real-time operating systems that give priority to critical functions. You would register trouble codes long before the car shit itself.
Also, there is no "brake pedal sensor". Brakes are hydraulic and not computer actuated for normal braking.
This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake-by-wire#Missing_data_compensation
The highest potential risk for brake system failure has proven to be the Brake Control System software. Recurring failures have occurred in over 200 cases documented in NTSB documents. Because each manufacturer guards the confidentiality of their system design and software, there is no independent validation of the systems.
In theory the Brake Control System should be servicing all inputs and sending commands to brake systems (including ABS, etc) before answering some "debugging" queries. But do you know for sure how constantly querying OBD-II affects the braking control?
And even if you don't have brake-by-wire (that article indicates that mostly hybrids and electric vehicles use them), I know that my car has a complex ABS and stability control systems controlled by the electronics. Maybe the brakes won't activate at all in a brake-by-wire system. Maybe with hydraulics the ABS will activate and prevent braking (what prevents the ABS from placing continual back-pressure on the brakes such that they never fully activate?). Maybe the stability control will fire unexpectedly (ie, one of the brakes activates) and cause a sudden skid to the side.
That's the fun of our industry! Programs can interact in very unexpected ways. So I'm asking the question: who is thinking about the risks of using OBD-II, which was at first a debugging system, now as a continuous monitoring system? I doubt insurance companies would understand the technical details. I doubt car manufacturers are going to go back and audit all of their code revisions out there.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Drunk drivers are.
No, they're not. Sorry to feed the troll, but a blanket statement like that just makes you look like an idiot.
Drunk driving is a terrible thing to do. I've worked with a lot of alcoholics in recovery and I wouldn't say a single one of them has been a terrible person; they've done terrible things, for which they spend the rest of their lives making amends (both at the direction of their peers and of the criminal justice system).
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@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
But assuming then that you do get a car, is there any reason why you could not then also get a drivers license?
Nothing that would truly prevent it, no. It’s mainly that I never bothered around the time I turned 18 (everywhere I wanted to go was in easy reach with a bicycle and/or the completely-free public transport card students got back then), and as that time got ever further behind me, I more and more felt like I didn’t want to go to the trouble and expense necessary to get that licence.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
coming home to a boiling rabbit.
she's going to cook him a nice stew? Lovely
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@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
If the GF is stealing the wife's car, he's only one step away from coming home to a boiling rabbit.
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@heterodox said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Drunk drivers are.
No, they're not. Sorry to feed the troll, but a blanket statement like that just makes you look like an idiot.
Drunk driving is a terrible thing to do. I've worked with a lot of alcoholics in recovery and I wouldn't say a single one of them has been a terrible person; they've done terrible things, for which they spend the rest of their lives making amends (both at the direction of their peers and of the criminal justice system).
There is no way to make reparation or compensation for killing someone. Maybe you would like to use a different word there?
Perhaps:
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@Maciejasjmj said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
If the GF is stealing the wife's car, he's only one step away from coming home to a boiling rabbit.
That looks like early 2000's Poser vintage. Firmly at the bottom of the uncanny valley.
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@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
There is no way to make reparation or compensation for killing someone. Maybe you would like to use a different word there?
Perhaps:
"Making punishment"? No, that doesn't make much sense.
"Making amends" -> "Trying to make amends" for the s as that's clearly what I meant.
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@heterodox I didn't mean an exact word-for-word replacement.
"Making amends" just makes it sound like something that's possible and it's not, not in a lifetime.