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@boomzilla wrong way to look at it. Why would I like being profiled? And as the data mining companies tell their customers (the actual ones, not the products who think they are the customers), you can infer a whole lot more from this data than “what I buy”.
And? Like what? I assume they want me to buy more stuff, so maybe that will lead to them stocking stuff I'm more likely to buy. I'm happy to share that with them to pay a little bit less.
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Also, you get to know that your daughter is pregnant before she tells you.
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@remi maybe she should have gotten her own club card then.
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@boomzilla To this club, you mean?
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@boomzilla said in WTF Bites:
Why is it important to you that they don't know what you buy?
they'll be able to tell you're pregnant and sell you diapers! Or something....
Edit: goddamnit
I wonder if I should find a job that lets me be more active LOL....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
I wonder if I should find a job that lets me be more active LOL....
Find one that pay first
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@topspin you can keep wasting energy being mad about the /r/boringdystopia we've built for ourselves over the last decade. Or you can do the smart thing and sell them all the data they already have on you one way or another for 50 cents per cucumber.
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@Zerosquare they gain literally nothing whatsoever, you gain a few oyros. What's not smart about it?
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If they truly didn't gain anything, they wouldn't be doing it in the first place. And the more you buy into such schemes, the more you encourage marketers to go further and further.
Also, that app? I bet it's collecting plenty of your data when you aren't looking. Data that will end up in the next dump when the database gets hacked (because come on, you know it will, it's only a matter of time).
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@Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:
If they truly didn't gain anything, they wouldn't be doing it in the first place. And the more you buy into such schemes, the more you encourage marketers to go further and further.
Also, that app? I bet it's collecting plenty of your data when you aren't looking. Data that will end up in the next dump when the database gets hacked (because come on, you know it will, it's only a matter of time).
The other choice is to pre-leak the data thereby making it worthless.
I sense a new opportunity here for grifting the grifters.
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The other choice is to pre-leak the data thereby making it worthless.
You mean the @Tsaukpaetra solution?
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@Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:
If they truly didn't gain anything, they wouldn't be doing it in the first place.
Haaaaaaave you met corporations? How many developers lost their jobs to external contractors who cost the company twice as much both up front and in the long run?
At this point they're doing the motions, it costs them next to nothing to harvest your phone number for the 60th time so they will harvest your phone number for the 60th time because they've always (read: for the last two years) have been harvesting phone numbers so why would they stop now.
Realistically - if a company actually uses any of the personal data of their customers to do analytics, and that company is worth tens of billions of dollars and is immune to lawsuits since even the worst of the fines barely make a dent in their bottom line - in what universe would they not have your phone number by now? Especially if you ever paid with a credit card? You don't actually thing Mastercard has higher moral standards than every other corporation in the world combined, do you?
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@Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:
The other choice is to pre-leak the data thereby making it worthless.
You mean the @Tsaukpaetra solution?
With solutions like @Tsaukpaetra, who needs problems?
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@Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:
If they truly didn't gain anything, they wouldn't be doing it in the first place. And the more you buy into such schemes, the more you encourage marketers to go further and further.
Yeah, and in the context of a supermarket getting data on what I buy in their supermarket, so what?
I assume that people who have issues with a supermarket knowing what they buy from that supermarket also refuse to buy things online where the shop you buy from knows the things you've bought from them.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF Bites:
you gain a few oyros
I'm Polish. It's basically part of our constitution to mock German language.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF Bites:
you gain a few oyros
I'm Polish. It's basically part of our constitution to mock German language.
Glass houses ...
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
@Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:
The other choice is to pre-leak the data thereby making it worthless.
You mean the @Tsaukpaetra solution?
With solutions like @Tsaukpaetra, who needs problems?
I will fuck the shit out of many things! Problems gebet more problems. 🍺
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
gebet
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
gebet
I blame threading.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
gebet
I blame threading.
Exactly! But with keyboard input instead.
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@Zerosquare they gain literally nothing whatsoever, you gain a few oyros. What's not smart about it?
Everything.
I’ll not buy the damn thing in the first place. I won’t use an app, I won’t collect fucking coupons, I won’t pass Go and collect€0.50-€0.89. And I’m not going to pay in crypto either, if they think they’ll make a special deal out of that.
“It’s already stupid, just go with the flow” only makes things more stupid.
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@boomzilla said in WTF Bites:
@boomzilla wrong way to look at it. Why would I like being profiled? And as the data mining companies tell their customers (the actual ones, not the products who think they are the customers), you can infer a whole lot more from this data than “what I buy”.
And? Like what? I assume they want me to buy more stuff, so maybe that will lead to them stocking stuff I'm more likely to buy. I'm happy to share that with them to pay a little bit less.
They don't need your data to know what their aggregate customer base likes to buy because they already know what they're selling. They need personalized data to target your ads. Of course everybody who has Nothing To Hide doesn't believe it's they who will get manipulated into spending more in the end because that only ever happens to the stupid plebs. But in then end this is exactly what happens, otherwise companies wouldn't be doing it.
"She always bought scented lotion, now she's switched to unscented, sell her a baby bottle" works just as well as "he bought cement and bitumen last month, now he's got a bunch of 2x4s in his cart, don't show him the discount on nails because he really needs them and he's not going to go anywhere else just for nails".
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@topspin you can keep wasting energy being mad about the /r/boringdystopia we've built for ourselves over the last decade. Or you can do the smart thing and sell them all the data they already have on you one way or another for 50 cents per cucumber.
You mean they're paying people for giving them stuff they already have? Makes you wonder how someone builds the world's largest retailer with business sense like that, doesn't it?
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@LaoC monopolization. They have so much money they can burn half of their profits on absolute insanity and still come ahead.
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@LaoC monopolization. They have so much money they can burn half of their profits on absolute insanity and still come ahead.
For grocery stores it's definitely not monopolization. But it does help with customer loyalty.
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@LaoC monopolization. They have so much money they can burn half of their profits on absolute insanity and still come ahead.
We were talking about supermarkets, not Silly Valley pissing away VC like
it grows on treesprinter goes brrrt.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:
Data that will end up in the next dump when the database gets hacked (because come on, you know it will, it's only a matter of time).
(2023+) Data that
will endalready has ended up in a shoddy AI model.
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you can infer a whole lot more from this data than “what I buy”.
Like the people in the cashier line behind you who see that you bought a cucumber without also buying vaseline, and now infer that you are a vegan...
(TODO:
insert Ernie & Bert comic here)
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@TimeBandit said in WTF Bites:
you gain a few oyros
I'm Polish. It's basically part of our constitution to mock German language.
Let us help you polish up your language.
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@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
- I'm drinking
- Holy Fu...
- I fart
YOU'RE KILLING THE PLANET!!! Oh wait, wrong thread...
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:
you can infer a whole lot more from this data than “what I buy”.
Like the people in the cashier line behind you who see that you bought a cucumber without also buying vaseline, and now infer that you are a vegan...
(TODO:
insert Ernie & Bert comic here)Bert + Ernie = Bernie
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:
you can infer a whole lot more from this data than “what I buy”.
Like the people in the cashier line behind you who see that you bought a cucumber without also buying vaseline, and now infer that you are a vegan...
(TODO:
insert Ernie & Bert comic here)Just so I throw them off I add in some cornstarch, anti fungal cream, and some form of diuretic.
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@LaoC monopolization. They have so much money they can burn half of their profits on absolute insanity and still come ahead.
Can you find a sector where profit margins are lower than in supermarkets? Walmart made just over 2% last year.
If you were right, you'd think someone who didn't pay people for data would make twice the profit and have a huge competitive advantage. Doesn't seem to be happening.
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Status: Using the SharePoint / Teams integration to collaborate on a Word document. Coworker complains that some layout is fucked up / figures and captions overlap.
I go check it and realize that the document looks completely different when you open it in the desktop version of Word and the one embedded in Teams (O365 or whatever). Even the page breaks are different. Completely different layout.What an absolute clusterfuck. But they're a small company, yada yada.
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@topspin Yeah, that's quite normal for the web version of Word (which obviously is what is embedded into Teams).
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@topspin Yeah, that's quite normal for the web version of Word (which obviously is what is embedded into Teams).
WYSIDNWYG
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the document looks completely different when you open it in the desktop version of Word and the one embedded in Teams (O365 or whatever)
Experienced this recently trying to use the synced fields feature. Absolutely simple document. Fucked up render on website.
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@topspin Yeah, that's quite normal for the web version of Word (which obviously is what is embedded into Teams).
WYSIDNWYG
:first_time.hangman:
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Word document
Coworker complains that some layout is fucked up
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Even the page breaks are different.
I haven’t used Word in ages, but it always used to be that things like between which lines the page breaks ended up, depended on which printer driver you had installed in Windows (or selected, if you had more than one).
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Even the page breaks are different.
I haven’t used Word in ages, but it always used to be that things like between which lines the page breaks ended up, depended on which printer driver you had installed in Windows (or selected, if you had more than one).
Yeah. Really it should only depend on the page size and fonts, but alas...
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@LaoC monopolization. They have so much money they can burn half of their profits on absolute insanity and still come ahead.
Can you find a sector where profit margins are lower than in supermarkets?
Can you find a sector where the average valuation of the entire business is as huge as in supermarkets? They don't make much money per product, but they make shittons of money overall. They can totally afford to piss out a billion or ten down the drain.