WTF Bites
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@Zerosquare well, yes, it should work.
But, the only ones we could get in the size that we need have a footnote in the product listing that they do not work with Linux or Raspberry Pi. But then one of the product pictures is:
I am guessing that the Chinese marketing egghead that put together that image doesn't know what that penguin represents?
I am going off of the assumption that they probably got tired of fielding support calls by idiots and put that in there as a disclaimer.
But it is also possible that their implementation is pants on head retarded and it really won't work. I have ordered small touchscreens for Raspberry Pi projects that worked really fucking weird or not at all without vendor specific drivers for them.
I guess we will see?
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To confuse things even more, when we demoed some of these back in the day they would work properly with 10 or 20 point touch on Windows and Linux, but on OS X they would only do single point touch.
I never bothered looking into it very much because it wasn't worth bothering with. Although it was kind of annoying because if it would have worked we could have developed on OS X and then tested and deployed on our Linux boxes. Touch-Base reportedly makes a driver for OS X that enables multi-touch but I didn't want to fuck with it. That puts too many layers of abstraction between development and production.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
we could have developed on OS X
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@HardwareGeek I like OS X.
XCode is shit, but I like OS X.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
XCode is shit, but I like OS X.
Finder is also shit. Complete and total absolute shit. The performance of Finder when navigating network shares is absolutely horrible and pretty much always has been.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
we could have developed on OS X
I'd be mad if I had to develop on anything else, but I'd be even madder if I had to deploy on OS X.
As far as Finder goes, with active effort it could be worse. A more bare-bones finding approach like
find . ... -print0 | xargs -0 ...
works fine tho.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
@HardwareGeek I like OS X.
XCode is shit, but I like OS X.
It's just too bad that Apple still doesn't believe in touch screens for their laptops.
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@dcon
They tried, but everyone in the focus group touched them wrong and burned the testing facility down.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
@HardwareGeek I like OS X.
XCode is shit, but I like OS X.
It's just too bad that Apple still doesn't believe in touch screens for their laptops.
Yeah I could use the shoulder mass, it's been slipping since I stopped doing manual labor.
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It's just too bad that Apple still doesn't believe in touch screens for their laptops.
I am with them on that. I do not like touchscreens on laptops.
In theory it might help with this development but not developing and testing as close to the hardware of implementation is not something I like to do.
The idea would have been a touchscreen and TV as a second display.
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Yeah I could use the shoulder mass, it's been slipping since I stopped doing manual labor.
They shut down your Cinnabar mine, eh?
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
Yeah I could use the shoulder mass, it's been slipping since I stopped doing manual labor.
They shut down your Cinnabar mine, eh?
The classic fail of vertically-opposed touchscreens is known as the "gorilla arm" effect, it's been known for round about 50 years.
And they'll shut me down when they get serious about it. I don't call this serious so far. But even though an orphan can't move the amount of ore I can, it's still worth it to be contributing to the local economy.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
It's just too bad that Apple still doesn't believe in touch screens for their laptops.
I am with them on that. I do not like touchscreens on laptops.
In theory it might help with this development but not developing and testing as close to the hardware of implementation is not something I like to do.
The idea would have been a touchscreen and TV as a second display.
Same here. I've had a thinkpad with a touchscreen as a dev box for the last 4 years or so. It's perpetually closed while I work on a full-sized display instead. And whenever I have to work on the laptop itself I'm cursing about accidentally touching the touchpad while typing (because of course it has a touchpad, a touchscreen, and a clit).
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@PleegWat Touch screen is neat on a convertible, since you can use it like a tablet for extended reading. But then again, on most of those you don't want to be doing dev. (Not that I really would want to do actual day-to-day work on a laptop either.)
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Not that I really would want to do actual day-to-day work on a laptop either.
If you have a good docking station so that it becomes a desktop when you are at your desk, it is fine.
But if you work 100% from a desk, there is no need for a laptop. You would be spending more, for less performance and expandability.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
I recently learned that Microsoft integrated curl into the command line of Windows.
I also learned that curl that is integrated into Windows is absolute fucking garbage.
The latter part is incorrect. It's literally the best, the most advanced, the most secure version of curl as of 2018, perfected over 20 years.
The only problem is that "perfected" isn't quite the right word.
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@Gąska you're right that perfected isn't quite the right word. I'd go more with... I dunno, fermented. Like gone-off fruit, that's been left to rot and fester but without the effort that would turn it into something worth consuming.
Then again, curl has always been a bit... in search of perfection.
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(because of course it has a touchpad, a touchscreen, and a clit).
It just wants to be touched!
Surprisingly, my unit is rather free from sin, as I usually have it plugged into a duck. Only time the actual unit feels my meaty caress is when being transported between offices or for a few minutes while on the go.
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So I've got Horizon: Zero Dawn recently and was wondering if there are any cool mods available. So I went to Mod Nexus and...
Because of course. Also,
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@Gąska So somebody basically modded in some Final Fantasy female armor?
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
To confuse things even more, when we demoed some of these back in the day they would work properly with 10 or 20 point touch on Windows and Linux, but on OS X they would only do single point touch.
I can do 10-point. Maybe 11 using my nose or 12 with a big toe to show off my 1337 y0g4 skillz. Everything beyond that would definitely not be part of a customer demo, but you do you.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
To confuse things even more, when we demoed some of these back in the day they would work properly with 10 or 20 point touch on Windows and Linux, but on OS X they would only do single point touch.
I can do 10-point. Maybe 11 using my nose or 12 with a big toe to show off my 1337 y0g4 skillz. Everything beyond that would definitely not be part of a customer demo, but you do you.
You do you, and Frank does Frank, and Egbert does Egbert, and you're all doing it on the same touch display.
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Everything beyond that would definitely not be part of a customer demo, but you do you.
I know some people have a fetish for feet, but they're mostly not that embarrassing.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
Not that I really would want to do actual day-to-day work on a laptop either.
If you have a good docking station so that it becomes a desktop when you are at your desk, it is fine.
But if you work 100% from a desk, there is no need for a laptop. You would be spending more, for less performance and expandability.
I have a laptop because it sometimes moves to different desks, and I think they completely stopped offering us desktops.
For my usecase, a portable which did not include a screen and keyboard would probably be a cheaper option, even if this meant they had to provide an additional docking station.
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For my usecase, a portable which did not include a screen and keyboard would probably be a cheaper option, even if this meant they had to provide an additional docking station.
You mean like a Nuc?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
Surprisingly, my unit is rather free from sin, as I usually have it plugged into a duck.
Don't you mean...? Nevermind. I am not going to ask for clarification. I have enough nightmares as it is.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
Don't you mean...?
I refuse to call a port replicator connected via cable a "dock". Yes, Blakeyrat, I will still die on this hill!
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@Tsaukpaetra yeah, but the definition has been muddied over the years and with USB-C we finally have enough bandwidth to do proper graphics and everything else over a single cable.
I think the Surface is what made me change my thinking about docks vs port replicators. Of course, it did it all over a proprietary cable made for the purpose. But that was my tipping point of acceptance.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
I think the Surface is what made me change my thinking about docks vs port replicators. Of course, it did it all over a proprietary cable made for the purpose.
Funny thing is, "proprietary cable made for the purpose" perfectly describes the interface for a dock. Only thing for a dock is, usually that cable is millimeters outside the unit and so has essentially no length.
No, the difference between a port replicator and a dock is one becomes latched physically to the thing "docking" to it. Otherwise, no difference. But that's hashed away in ...
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
and with USB-C we finally have enough bandwidth to do proper graphics and everything else over a single cable
About two and half years ago, when colleagues started getting notebooks with USB-C ducks, they found it can't handle two monitors at 1920x1200@60 and plug the second one into the HDMI instead. While the slightly older ones with ducking station handle two monitors over DVI-D just fine.
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@Bulb what sort of workloads? I run three monitors over a single USB-C without issue and one monitor is routinely playing some manner of streaming video.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
some manner of streaming video
just say porn if you that's what you mean
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1200
That must be it. Currently running two externals at 1920x1080.
'course this ain't normal USB-C, but the 'spensive one...
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@Luhmann not just any porn. If there isn't an amputee and/or midget and/or midget amputee, I'm not interested.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
amputee and/or midget and/or midget amputee
just say furry if that's what you mean
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
and with USB-C we finally have enough bandwidth to do proper graphics and everything else over a single cable
About two and half years ago, when colleagues started getting notebooks with USB-C ducks, they found it can't handle two monitors at 1920x1200@60 and plug the second one into the HDMI instead. While the slightly older ones with ducking station handle two monitors over DVI-D just fine.
That the duck's fault, not USB-C.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
and with USB-C we finally have enough bandwidth to do proper graphics and everything else over a single cable
About two and half years ago, when colleagues started getting notebooks with USB-C ducks, they found it can't handle two monitors at 1920x1200@60 and plug the second one into the HDMI instead. While the slightly older ones with ducking station handle two monitors over DVI-D just fine.
That the duck's fault, not USB-C.
If the USB-C standard is so loose as to have such bogus ducks able to claim compliance, I'm pushing fault back on the standard. Those things can't actually read signs - they'll cross anywhere. There need to be some guardrails or maybe culverts.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
@Luhmann not just any porn. If there isn't an amputee and/or midget and/or midget amputee, I'm not interested.
With enough amputation, anyone can be a midget.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
amputee and/or midget and/or midget amputee
just say furry if that's what you mean
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
amputee and/or midget and/or midget amputee
just say furry if that's what you mean
:Fire:
I think he meant "fury"
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in WTF Bites:
With enough amputation, anyone can
That's the spirit!
No no, that's what happens when you acquire too much amputation...
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@Polygeekery
given the current heating prices that would be some serious savings
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
@Luhmann not just any porn. If there isn't an amputee and/or midget and/or midget amputee, I'm not interested.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
@Luhmann not just any porn. If there isn't an amputee and/or midget and/or midget amputee, I'm not interested.
Ain't just pumpkinfolk likes them some nubbin'.
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Once every now and then, IT requires you to change your password.
This always leads me down the rabbit hole, because there's a thousand accounts connected to it. Well, mostly linux/ssh login, email, calendar, windows, etc.But as if that wouldn't be bad enough itself, there's another issue: Both on iOS as well as on macOS the account settings for mail/calendar/etc. are
fucking retardeduser friendly, so you can't set a password without it trying to validate it. Or remove an existing one. If it fails to validate, the account settings doesn't accept/save your input. Because, of course, who would ever try to save an invalid one!1!
This consistently leads to the following scenario: I change the password for the linux login. I open Thunderbird on the linux machine to update the saved passwords there. I remote to windows box and also change passwords. Then I open mail on my macbook and try to tell it the new password. In the meantime, all devices (laptop, phone, etc.) have already hammered the server trying to check mail and refresh the calendar with the old password, repeatedly because it fails, so the server says "whoa there, time-out!". So I've effectively DoS'ed myself.
I can't tell the account settings what the new password is because the server refuses any connection. I can't remove the old password either, so once the server is done with the time-out, it gets hammered again and escalates to a longer time-out. And I can't even preempt this idiotic scenario by removing all saved account passwords beforehand, because the fucking settings dialog doesn't accept your input unless it can validate it!The only way I have found to actually stop this shit would be to remove all accounts from all devices. But then I have to fully set them up again afterwards (including figuring out what the fucking fuck the URL for the CalDAV stuff is).
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I have a laptop because it sometimes moves to different desks
LOL! Like every time I walk in the office! (stupid hoteling)