WTF Bites
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@pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:
@laoc And what's wrong with the Samsung ones?
Last one I found had a dual-core Exynos and something like a 1300x768 screen.
Edit: searching again, this is more like it. Still too low on RAM to use as a Linux latop but getting there. At least the display isn't the joke it used to be.
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@heterodox Can I just say that I love it when a Linux user calls me ignorant and then a bunch of other Linux users chime in and say "nope, that's a real problem".
Carry on with your day. And try not to be ignorant.
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@laoc Almost like it wasn't designed to be a Linux laptop.
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@laoc 'cause I want my Ubuntu system to Just Work, and be updated less often (mainly because version updates tend to break things somehow), but I still want the apps on top of it to be updated as often as they are.
That's the sort of thing you can achieve if you design software in independent layers connected by a stable API.
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@blakeyrat said in WTF Bites:
Even if that were true, which it is extremely not, the problem comes when the user wants to install software that's not in the apt-get repository, or when the software in the repository is years out-of-date. In those cases, your "simple" method breaks down immediately and entirely.
Liar.
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Still too low on RAM to use as a Linux latop but getting there.
4GB is too low to use as a Linux laptop?
It's probably too low to do RAM-intensive stuff on it (regardless of OS), but Linux and basic programs on it should run very well.
(also inb4 "but ChromeOS is Linux!!" pedantry)
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A couple of weeks ago we got rid of our last CentOS-4 system at work. Four. EOL for just over six years. Held together with gaffa tape, spit and handcrafted shellshock patches.
We're running RHEL6. I've been told that we're planning to go to 7 next summer. HOWEVER! I still use some C++ static libraries that are labeled thusly:
x86-64_rhel4.0_3.4
. We have no plans to update those right now.
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
No it fucking doesn't, I agreed to have slightly older Ubuntu, not old stuff on top of it.
Just because you said that in your head doesn't mean it was the offer on the table to which you agreed.
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
No it fucking doesn't, I agreed to have slightly older Ubuntu, not old stuff on top of it.
I use Windows 98! I expect new shit to run on top of it!
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
@laoc 'cause I want my Ubuntu system to Just Work, and be updated less often (mainly because version updates tend to break things somehow), but I still want the apps on top of it to be updated as often as they are.
That's just not how LTS works. LTS versions get security fixes but usually no upgrades because they are for people who want stuff not to change, even if upstream believes in "move fast and break stuff".
That's the sort of thing you can achieve if you design software in independent layers connected by a stable API.
You have invented magic layers that make the "breaking" in upstream's breaking changes disappear?
@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
4GB is too low to use as a Linux laptop?
It's probably too low to do RAM-intensive stuff on it (regardless of OS), but Linux and basic programs on it should run very well.
Sure, it would work for most things, I just have some RAM-intensive Java stuff here that I like/need.
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
I agreed to have slightly older Ubuntu, not old stuff on top of it.
What you really want is Debian Stable
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@cartman82 said in WTF Bites:
It's just that getting programs into that system is PITA.
I'm working on a ProGet feature that will fix that.
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@timebandit said in WTF Bites:
More like you're using CentOS/RedHat Entreprise.
I'm on Debian stable (v.9.4), git version is 2.11.0
On CentOS 7.4 it's 1.8.3At least you're on 7. We still have to use 6 on some systems.
Without EPEL, I'd be fucked.
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At least you're on 7. We still have to use 6 on some systems.
Just the newer ones, most servers are still on 6.
FileUnder: I would use Debian if I could
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@timebandit said in WTF Bites:
I would use Debian if I could
I've kinda learned to like Software Collections and yum. Initially, I would have preferred Debian as well because it's more familiar, but now I don't really care anymore.
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@ben_lubar said in WTF Bites:
I'm working on a ProGet feature that will fix that.
I think you still have some work to do
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@tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
No it fucking doesn't, I agreed to have slightly older Ubuntu, not old stuff on top of it.
I use Windows 98! I expect new shit to run on top of it!
You just intentionally conflated two different problems just to be able to mock me for it. That's an extremely assholish thing to do.
Do I really have to explain what I meant? A slightly newer NetBeans will work 99% of the time on a slightly older Ubuntu. This means if the new NetBeans does not use any new Ubuntu features, you can update the fucking NetBeans package, which is not part of the OS without touching (and therefore possibly breaking) anything else in my computer.
Does your browser have a repository with its own version of Google.com in it? Or does it magically handle the newer versions as they come? Because a browser is essentially an OS.
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
A slightly newer NetBeans will work 99% of the time on a slightly older Ubuntu
Yes, just download and install it from here: https://netbeans.org/downloads/
B.t.w.: Debian stable provides Netbeans 8.1
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@timebandit said in WTF Bites:
@ben_lubar said in WTF Bites:
I'm working on a ProGet feature that will fix that.
I think you still have some work to do
somehow the web service got turned off.
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@ben_lubar said in WTF Bites:
somehow the web service got turned off.
I just assumed it was Milwaukee PC's fault
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@anonymous234 nuh-uh, the idea is that you agreed to a very specific puzzle of software which has been supposedly tested (caveats with niche software relying on niche features) and should at least run with all the features its maintainers have chosen to enable intact. That doesn't mean that you cannot run newer software but you're on your own. Anyway devs shouldn't have issues running rolling releases or short term releases anyway (especially if you keep a separate home partition). Ubuntu LTS is for businesses, servers, that kind of stuff. And yeah, Ubuntu LTS ships old software right from the start (because they know it works). At the end of the day Ubuntu LTS is a slightly newer, shinier Debian Stable.
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@admiral_p said in WTF Bites:
At the end of the day Ubuntu LTS is a slightly newer, shinier Debian Stable.
That's what they want you to believe.
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@twelvebaud said in WTF Bites:
ARM (outside of Raspberry Pi) isn't used with any general-purpose machine that lets you run Linux
OTOH, ARM completely dominates mobile devices and the upper end of embedded, making it a very important market indeed (and Android is just a particularly unusual form of Linux). And then you've got the supercomputing market, which is a fight between x86-64 (for raw cpu power) and ARM (for cpu power/watt); the users claim to want raw power, but the realities of actually powering and cooling such systems makes ARM a rather more attractive proposition for the supercomputer people than you might think.
The lower end of the embedded market sticks with 8-bit processors like the Z80, just to save a few milli-cents per device. Or something like that. There's always a bit more of the bottom of the barrel that can be scraped.
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@timebandit with all the translucency/glossy effects they have used since Unity, it certainly is shinier.
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
You just intentionally conflated two different problems just to be able to mock me for it. That's an extremely assholish thing to do.
Sorry, is being an asshole not allowed on this forum? Color me confused.
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
Does your browser have a repository with its own version of Google.com in it? Or does it magically handle the newer versions as they come? Because a browser is essentially an OS.
They tried that. It's only somewhat successful.
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
will work 99% of the time
I thought the point of the LTS systems was to keep that number at 100%.
If you have a dozen packages that you rely on, each with a 99% chance of successfully upgrading, then upgrading all of them gives you an 11.4% chance that something will break.
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And then you've got the supercomputing market, which is a fight between x86-64 (for raw cpu power) and ARM (for cpu power/watt); the users claim to want raw power, but the realities of actually powering and cooling such systems makes ARM a rather more attractive proposition for the supercomputer people than you might think.
I hadn't checked the Top500 list in a long time but I just did because this got me curious. The top 100 are Chinese secret sauce, Xeon, POWER, Sparc64, Nvidia and more Xeon. Not one ARM. In fact you can't even select ARM on the sublist page. I had expected to find a few MIPS but they ain't there any more either.
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
Still too low on RAM to use as a Linux latop but getting there.
4GB is too low to use as a Linux laptop?
It's probably too low to do RAM-intensive stuff on it (regardless of OS), but Linux and basic programs on it should run very well.
(also inb4 "but ChromeOS is Linux!!" pedantry)
My 2007 laptop with 2 GB RAM with 4 Firefox windows each with an average 10 tabs says "Hi".
(the SSD helps)
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@pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:
(the SSD helps)
What, as swap space?
As secondary RAM! :D
Fillied under: INB4 Octane pretends to be just that
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@cartman82 said in WTF Bites:
I take screenshots, print them out and collect them into albums.
Not video taping them while they are laying on a wooden table?
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@cartman82 said in WTF Bites:
And yes, package manager command IS the shortest path from "I need a program" to "I have a program".
if you know exactly what program/package you need and that it is blabla_for_real and not blabla_current
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FML.
Some store wrote around 22:00 yesterday:
Thank you for ordering $thing.
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We will send you an email with delivery information before 07:00 on the day before delivery and installation takes place, with a more detailed delivery time. Delivery normally takes place between 08:00 and 20:00.
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Delivery is planned for $date_today.Guess I'll get out of bed early to check my mail then.
Some store wrote around 05:30 today:
Unfortunately delivery cannot take place today, and is instead scheduled for $date_tomorrow. We will send you an email with delivery information before 07:00 on the day before delivery and installation takes place, with a more detailed delivery time. Blah blah.
Guess I'll get out of bed early to check my mail tomorrow again. :-(
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Gosh, if only there was any extra space at all in this window where they could show those long names.
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@mott555
We hate cross-platform devs, and gamers in general
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@mott555 ?
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@mott555 Fuck Apple, just a bit more now.
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And then you've got the supercomputing market, which is a fight between x86-64 (for raw cpu power) and ARM (for cpu power/watt); the users claim to want raw power, but the realities of actually powering and cooling such systems makes ARM a rather more attractive proposition for the supercomputer people than you might think.
I hadn't checked the Top500 list in a long time but I just did because this got me curious. The top 100 are Chinese secret sauce, Xeon, POWER, Sparc64, Nvidia and more Xeon. Not one ARM. In fact you can't even select ARM on the sublist page. I had expected to find a few MIPS but they ain't there any more either.
The issue is that the ARM systems that are on that scale don't participate in the list. Indeed, a lot of large computer systems aren't in that competition exactly because they are uninterested in abiding by the BS that is the rules or don't want to be well-known at all. (Many commercial systems, such as those owned by the oil majors, aren't listed at all; their actual power is a commercial secret.)
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Just logged into Office 365 for the X time, click to create a new Word document, then I get to see a nice video
Thanks for explaining to me what I can do with a product I've been using for at least a year
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Followed a LMGTFY link posted for someone else because I was interested and was presented with this thing:
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Here's what happens when sparkies try to do network cabling:
Fucking sparkies. That join of what appears to be a black stranded patch cable to the blue CAT5E is a meathook abortion.
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@polygeekery It passes a continuity test and that's all that matters, right?
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The line run for the phone is CAT5E, they only terminated 4 wires, and they did not even fish it inside the box. It is run around the side.
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@polygeekery It passes a continuity test and that's all that matters, right?
But it doesn't even do that...
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@polygeekery If you're not using POE, Ethernet only uses 4 wires anyway, just patch the working ones
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@polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
The line run for the phone is CAT5E, they only terminated 4 wires, and they did not even fish it inside the box. It is run around the side.
Wow. I'm well aware of the concepts of laziness, ignorance, and incompetence. But I have no idea how to label this one. Maybe literal retardation?