More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
At my previous job, we retired a web server after 2117 days (5.8 years), thinking the hardware could fail soon.
If it's Windows, the challenge will be making past 21.17 days without needing a reboot to fix yet another critical bug…
My primary DC has an uptime of....... going on 3 months right now.
It's also in a network segment that prevents any kind of non-local traffic unless I'm doing updates and I switch it to the main VLAN... but yeah.
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
There is one in Windows 8.1, but you have to know where it is. It's on the logon screen in the bottom right corner and very easy to miss.
In other words, a
shittynicely designed UI
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@RaceProUK The one in Windows 10 isn't easy to miss though. Even the 10/15/20 (I forget which) warning is obvious.
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@TimeBandit As shocking as this may be to someone with an insanely strict black-and-white view of the world, I actually agree that it's a shit placement
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I still don't believe that three-day warning exists.
There is one in Windows 8.1, but you have to know where it is. It's on the logon screen in the bottom right corner and very easy to miss.
I'm not using Windows 8.1 anymore so I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China.
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@sloosecannon said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
My primary DC has an uptime of....... going on 3 months right now.
It's also in a network segment that prevents any kind of non-local traffic unless I'm doing updates and I switch it to the main VLAN... but yeah.
You fuckin stupid asshole, you're not applying security updates !!!
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@sloosecannon said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
My primary DC has an uptime of....... going on 3 months right now.
It's also in a network segment that prevents any kind of non-local traffic unless I'm doing updates and I switch it to the main VLAN... but yeah.
You fuckin stupid asshole, you're not applying security updates !!!
I bet he's shooting aliens instead.
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@loopback0 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I bet he's shooting aliens instead.
MAKE WINDOWS GREAT AGAIN
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I still don't believe that three-day warning exists.
I could believe the warning popping up invisibly while someone is playing a game, capturing a key (which the user interprets as some sort of stuttering and promptly forgets about) and deciding that that means go right ahead and reboot in a few minutes. (Or something like that. The exact timeline is open to revision. :)) The point being that while the system believes that the user has authorized the update, the user completely disagrees.
UIs with “random” dialogs that pop up and grab keys can really confuse users a lot if they don't notice what's going on (which easily happens).
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@blakeyrat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I turn my PC off when I'm not using it, so it gets rebooted a couple times daily. It still auto-reboots for updates when I'm using it.
I know I've said it before but I literally do not believe this is true.
Either you're lying about rebooting it often, or you're lying about it updating while you're using it. Or you're lying-by-omission by not adding that you reboot it by yanking the power cord.
Or, he's old.
Once a day (sometimes twice) my wife's father turns on his computer, checks his e-mail, browses a couple of coin-collector websites and then turns his computer off.
But he's 75.
Filed under: Computers are for old people.
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I could believe the warning popping up invisibly while someone is playing a game, capturing a key (which the user interprets as some sort of stuttering and promptly forgets about) and deciding that that means go right ahead and reboot in a few minutes. (Or something like that. The exact timeline is open to revision. :)) The point being that while the system believes that the user has authorized the update, the user completely disagrees.
Win7 did reboot my machine while I was away getting a coffee. When I came back, I saw the login screen and thought that the screensaver locked it so I logged in, only to be greeted with a blank desktop and a notification that windows applied updates.
UIs with “random” dialogs that pop up and grab keys can really confuse users a lot if they don't notice what's going on (which easily happens).
System-wide modal dialogs that steal keyboard focus should die a painful death.
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
System-wide modal dialogs that steal keyboard focus should die a painful death.
Strictly, it's the developers who create such things that need the painful death.
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
System-wide modal dialogs that steal keyboard focus should die a painful death.
Strictly, it's the developers who create such things that need the painful death.
Had much fun with that on Ubuntu recently, coincidentally.
Oh, hai! We just downloaded updates and need you to reboot, naow! Oh, you were typing something in the console? Nvm, much more important you acknowledge the Chromium plugins we just installed! Oh, and please type in your password again, because! Updates!
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@Yamikuronue said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Windows 7 only let me postpone the reboot for 4 hours max.
And not long ago, I was in a game, fullscreen when that 4 hours elapsed.So let me get this straight:
- Windows warned you it needed a reboot, and asked if it could do it now
- You said no, ask again in 4 hours when it'll be more convenient
- You then started playing a fullscreen game, knowing full well Windows needed a reboot, but choosing not to reboot before you started
- You were surprised when Windows asked again, as you had asked, and then rebooted, assuming you had walked away from the machine
- This is Windows' fault?
i was with you up until 5.... after that.... not so much.
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Strictly, it's the developers who create such things that need the painful death.
Windows developers then : WS_EX_TOPMOST
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@accalia said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
i was with you up until 5.... after that.... not so much.
That's how I am at work most days...
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@loopback0 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@accalia said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
i was with you up until 5.... after that.... not so much.
That's how I am at work most days...
if we're talking work schedules you're flipping lucky i was with you through 5. i checkout at 1600 habitually (a consequence of clocking in at 0730)
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@accalia same here, but power outages at critical locations that I find out about at 15:58 on Friday afternoons kind of suck.
Especially when they're caused by the utility shutting off the line for maintenance without coordinating it with you. And yes, last Friday. Who the hell does that on a Friday?!
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@anotherusername said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@accalia same here, but power outages at critical locations that I find out about at 15:58 on Friday afternoons kind of suck.
.... are we talking about fridays?
good fscking luck finding me after 1300 on a friday!
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@accalia said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
a consequence of clocking in at 0730
Fair enough.
I start at 08:30. I said "most days" because some days "08:30" means "anywhere between 08:30 and 09:30", and some days "5 [pm]" means "somewhere between 15:00 and 1700".
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@accalia that'd sure be nice, but unfortunately I don't have that privilege. They can't use my phone to spy on me (I hope), but they damn well can use it to call me...
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@anotherusername said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@accalia that'd sure be nice, but unfortunately I don't have that privilege. They can't use my phone to spy on me (I hope), but they damn well can use it to call me...
they can call me all they want. once i'm off the clock i'm off the clock. they'll leave a voicemail if it's important, and if it's so important to bring me in when i'm well on my way to being three sheets to the wind we're in fscking trouble.
with a capital Q
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
If Windows had dumped you out of fullscreen to see the dialog, your reaction would have been "How dare Windows dump me out of fullscreen!"
No, when playing a fullscreen game, I expect the operating system to not bother me unless it is an emergency.
At the same time, I think people should really pay closer attention to when their computer needs to update and restart it more frequently rather than using their system uptime to measure the size of their gender organs. It's good if a system can run for months without rebooting, but whether it should do that is something I don't really see much benefit in unless you're running a server.
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@Jaloopa said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@FrostCat No, he uses an OS from the 70s that prefers you to type stuff in rather than using a GUI
I'm a GUI man myself, but I have co-workers who prefer the command-line when possible, and I am not at all convinced that my use of the GUI is better than their use of the command-life.
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@LB_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
No, when playing a fullscreen game, I expect the operating system to not bother me unless it is an emergency.
Exactly.
And by emergency I mean the house is on fire !
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@tharpa said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I'm a GUI man myself, but I have co-workers who prefer the command-line when possible, and I am not at all convinced that my use of the GUI is better than their use of the command-life.
Best Typo Ever
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Here is the full video: https://www.twitch.tv/fl0m/v/63999467
And as you can see, he knows that Windows is set to reboot at a specific time point and until the last minute he tries to persuade Windows to stop (by checking the "defer updates" box etc.) but he cannot, because Windows wouldn't let him change the planned reboot time anymore.
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
And by emergency I mean the house is on fire !
Smart smoke alarm topic is
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@tharpa said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I'm a GUI man myself, but I have co-workers who prefer the command-line when possible, and I am not at all convinced that my use of the GUI is better than their use of the command-life.
Best Typo Ever
Hmm. I also have co-workers who unquestioningly obey the commands of their boss, without worrying about irrelevant matters like logic and conscience and the law. And I think one could make a strong argument that their command-life is better for them than mine is for me.
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Of course, Windows couldn't just wait for me to answer the dialog
It waited ten minutes for you to stop being a total spanner and actually pay attention for once. Except you'd decided that it was more important to play a game instead of making sure your machine was properly updated.
And it probably doesn't feel loved, too?
@TimeBandit , do you masturbate without a condom too?
It seems to be clear: first take care of Windows's needs and if there's time afterwards, only then are you allowed to play!
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
the
houseprinter is on fire !FTFH.
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@kt_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit , are you masturbating without a condom too?
It seems to be clear: first take care of Windows's needs and if there's time afterwards, only then are you allowed to play!
Security is good, right ?
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@kt_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit , are you masturbating without a condom too?
It seems to be clear: first take care of Windows's needs and if there's time afterwards, only then are you allowed to play!
Security is good, right ?
Nailed it!
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Windows developers then : WS_EX_TOPMOST
Ah. Fucking Adobe.
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@kt_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Security is good, right ?
Nailed it!
Ugh, I hope not.
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I don't necessarily mind forced reboots. I've done patch management. What I mind is forced reboots when the user is active.
It's not like the system can't tell you're using it. You know what would be really simple? Only allow forced reboots when the screensaver has been active for 5 minutes. Or only allow automatic reboots when there has been no input from the user for 30 minutes.
Also, I don't know what version of Windows 10 y'all got. I've had it installed for a year and I've never seen a 4 hour reboot warning. Hell, I've never seen a 15 minute reboot warning. The only notification I've seen is a little window that says, "Windows is installing updates...". I used to get 4 hour warnings all the time before my upgrade, but as far as I can tell those went extinct after Windows 7 or 8. Now it schedules it and just does it and fuck you if it interferes.
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@BaconBits said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
and I've never seen a 4 hour reboot warning
4 hours is Windows 7.
Windows 10 gives you 3 days initially.
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@loopback0 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@BaconBits said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
and I've never seen a 4 hour reboot warning
4 hours is Windows 7.
Windows 10 gives you 3 days initially.
Oh? That doesn't exactly change anything. I've still never seen a reboot notice. So either there's a way to disable them, or the OS is very poor at communication. I mean, yes, I could have magically missed them for 12 months in a row, but isn't that a sign of poor design if a user can do that? Given that the system seems to autoreboot essentially on patch Tuesday (or, at least, generally between Tuesday and Wednesday is what I've noticed) I'd assumed it was installing and rebooting on the same night.
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Meanwhile, here in W7 land, I've disabled automatic updates and only remember to update whenever I see one of these topics pop up again.
I regret nothing.
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@ben_lubar said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
It doesn't have to be like that, though. In a perfect world, the kernel could wait until the process isn't running libpng's code and then swap out the library while the process isn't looking.
...as long as nothing in libpng includes a breaking API change...or a behavior change, which is exactly why Microsoft doesn't even try.
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@superjer said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
You wanna fucking go??!
~$ uptime
10:32:01 up 1876 days, 8:10, 1 user, load average: 0.29, 0.09, 0.03Sure:
~$ uptime
08:17:23 up 9001 days, 14:31, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.09, 0.03
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@RaceProUK Apparently the guy had been gaming for quite some few hours, so it's conceivable that the update came during that time, if we give him the benefit of the doubt.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I still don't believe that three-day warning exists.
Next time I spot it I'll take a picture, because I've seen it many times over the last few years.
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Meanwhile, here in W7 land, I've disabled automatic updates and only remember to update whenever I see one of these topics pop up again.
I regret nothing.And.... That's exactly why they prevented that in Windows 10.
In other words - you are why we can't have nice things.
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@BaconBits said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I don't necessarily mind forced reboots. I've done patch management. What I mind is forced reboots when the user is active.
It's not like the system can't tell you're using it. You know what would be really simple? Only allow forced reboots when the screensaver has been active for 5 minutes. Or only allow automatic reboots when there has been no input from the user for 30 minutes.
Also, I don't know what version of Windows 10 y'all got. I've had it installed for a year and I've never seen a 4 hour reboot warning. Hell, I've never seen a 15 minute reboot warning. The only notification I've seen is a little window that says, "Windows is installing updates...". I used to get 4 hour warnings all the time before my upgrade, but as far as I can tell those went extinct after Windows 7 or 8. Now it schedules it and just does it and fuck you if it interferes.
Or like I suggested above, use the already a built-in "am I idle" functionality ;)
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I still don't believe that three-day warning exists.
I don't think I've had Windows up for that long for several years.
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@FrostCat I found a post of mine here which included the <10 minutes until reboot message...
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@loopback0 you know, it would be really nice if that showed up on something other than my primary monitor...... I feel like every time I get that message I'm running something fullscreen on monitor 1
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@sloosecannon That's the only time I've ignored the previous warnings and been using it at the pre-warned time, which was also when using my laptop on its own, so wasn't in a multi-monitor environment. That said, it popped up above everything else.
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@loopback0 Yeah. I usually don't have that issue at all though - the Windows 10 machine I have is always on, and I modified the service that causes the reboot to "only run while idle". I've never had an annoying reboot since...