More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense
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@boomzilla Oh, how stupid of me to forget sending an e-mail takes four fucking hours
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@blakeyrat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@BaconBits said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Only allow forced reboots when the screensaver has been active for 5 minutes.
Except that never happens ever, because who uses a screensaver in 2016?
Me !
And it's the famous BSOD one. How else am I supposed to see a bluescreen since I'm running Linux ?
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
how stupid of me to forget sending an e-mail takes four fucking hours
Good job Outlook saves your drafts
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I appreciate the "I don't want updates happening on me" POV. I'd just rather be proactive and not leave my comp in a place where it can cause me problems than get bit by it all the time. It leaves me free to bitch about more interesting stuff.
I agree. You have to adjust to the situation and things beyond your control.
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@RaceProUK said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@boomzilla Oh, how stupid of me to forget sending an e-mail takes four fucking hours
ZOMG! The updates got delayed for four hours! You really are amusing. Did you remember to turn off the switches on your outlets this morning?
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@boomzilla Fuck you cunt
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@TimeBandit Coworkers ruined that screensaver for me. "Hey, mott555, I saw your PC was bluescreened while you were out for lunch so I reset it for you!"
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@mott555 And you have the nerve to complain about Windows doing it for you?
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@FrostCat This was in the XP days, well before Windows Update auto-reboot.
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Well, if you want an industrial-grade system, and you want 24/7 availability, then Windows is definitely not a thing you want to run.
It's got too much of a mind of its own nowadays. That's not how one does computering.Also, Windows 10 has a professional edition, so it must be professional and safe for professional use, right? Not just your damn facebook and your stupid mail client, right?
But who am I talking to, anyway, the professionals out there run SCADAs on unpatched Windows machines on them nuclear plants, open for the whole world to exploit, their limited minds so full of "how to engineer" that there's no room for "how to security", so they pretend the damn thing doesn't exist. And other professionals write big SCADA systems which fall apart as soon as a service pack is installed, and they don't know how to security as well. And there are other professionals who are so busy cobbling these systems together so they talk to the "industrial" end, that they completely forget to lock down the internet end of them, and then them bad hackers have fun all over the world.
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@Rhywden said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@cartman82 And then we contrast your special snowflake case with the millions of clueless users who wouldn't update their PCs if someone didn't force them to.
I had way too many support talks over "I cannot access the internet and this page on my browser says I'm locked out due to something called a ZEUS exploit kit?" for your attitude to hold much water with me.
So, what you are saying here is, Windows 10 is designed to be used by clueless users and only them, so every IT professionals should avoid it ?
Thanks for the tip, that's what I will do.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit Coworkers ruined that screensaver for me. "Hey, mott555, I saw your PC was bluescreened while you were out for lunch so I reset it for you!"
If any of my coworker reset my PC, he/she will get
punched in the facescreamed at loudly to teach him/her to never EVER touch my workstation
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I wouldn't trust Win10's idle behaviour either. My work laptop is set to turn off after 20 minutes inactivity, screensaver with password prompt after 5 minutes inactivity (because "security" and ISO27001)
It will frequently go into suspend mode at 3-4 minutes. It's also not consistent about whether it decides to shuffle everything off the second monitor back onto the main laptop display. About 75% of the time it will.
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
If any of my coworker reset my PC, he/she will get punched in the face screamed at loudly to teach him/her to never EVER touch my workstation
Because your Linux PC is so fragile nobody but you can touch it?
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@Arantor The hilariously hypocritical part of all this is when I was setting up a new Win10 workstation one afternoon and I wanted to install Windows Updates before leaving for the day. It wouldn't let me do it manually, just said "Windows has found updates and will automatically install them later." Eventually I found the hidden "DO IT NOW" button and it started installing, but a few minutes later the PC went to sleep and got nowhere that evening.
"Idle" means different things at different times.
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@Jaloopa said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Because your Linux PC is so fragile nobody but you can touch it?
That word in Bold, do you know what it means ?
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@TimeBandit No, I'm a clueless user so don't know anything.
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@Jaloopa You're a good candidate for Windows 10 then, from what I was told
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@TimeBandit I've been happily using it for months now. It's weird how it's never rebooted on me isn't it? I thought that was meant to happen a couple of times a day
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Status:*
http://i.imgur.com/uvsrCWR.jpg
FOR 15 MINUTES NOW! I'm on fucking location, need to fix shit, JUST BOOT ALREADY!
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@Onyx Ouch. I've never seen a revert actually work before, good luck!
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I've never seen a revert actually work before
I've had to reinstall Windows before when it got stuck in a revert loop
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@Onyx That'll teach you to not upgrade to 10.
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@mott555 it booted, thank fuck. This isbyhe last time I'm taking a laptop with me without having a live USB handy. But you know, emergencies.
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@Jaloopa said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I've had to reinstall Windows before when it got stuck in a revert loop
You're lying. Windows is perfect. PERFECT (at least, that's what I was told)
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@Jaloopa said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
If any of my coworker reset my PC, he/she will get punched in the face screamed at loudly to teach him/her to never EVER touch my workstation
Because your Linux PC is so fragile nobody but you can touch it?
To be fair, if someone messed with my workstation, I'd break out the Piko Hammer in a heartbeat regardless of OS and swing it upside their head.
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@RaceProUK yeah, but you've demonstrated your anger management problems in this very thread
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Rhywden said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@cartman82 And then we contrast your special snowflake case with the millions of clueless users who wouldn't update their PCs if someone didn't force them to.
I had way too many support talks over "I cannot access the internet and this page on my browser says I'm locked out due to something called a ZEUS exploit kit?" for your attitude to hold much water with me.
So, what you are saying here is, Windows 10 is designed to be used by clueless users and only them, so every IT professionals should avoid it ?
Thanks for the tip, that's what I will do.
Frankly, if you whine that much about a forced reboot maybe once or twice a month, then I can only say: "Good riddance."
Seriously, you whine like a toddler someone stole a cookie from.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Onyx Ouch. I've never seen a revert actually work before, good luck!
Actually works under Windows 10. Found that out when I made the mistake of installing a software from Samsung for my SSD.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit Coworkers ruined that screensaver for me. "Hey, mott555, I saw your PC was bluescreened while you were out for lunch so I reset it for you!"
If you're talking about the one in XScreensaver, I believe it switches the BSOD (or it's equivalent on other OS's) every 20 seconds or so, so I think they would see that it wasn't really stuck before they turned it off.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I have never seen that before.
The default setting is to just do it automatically without asking I think. That's what I'm set to. If I cared, I'd use this setting. All I know is, sometimes when I get home from work I have to log in again. Like once a month.
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
All I can say is at work I leave my machine on at the end of the day, but I don't leave anything running unsaved
I do this too. It also solves the problem of buggy memory losing programs. (Trust PG&E? Don't make me laugh. [that's Pacific Gas and Electric - the company that toasted 8 people when one of their gas pipelines blew up in 2010])
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Jaloopa said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@mott555 Fair enough. I realise I'm getting close to Blakey levels of "it's not a bug in Windows, must be hardware", so I'll leave it there
I see this exact same Win10 argument on tech forums. It almost has to be a Windows bug that doesn't affect everyone. 10 - 20% of users have broken Windows Updates that auto-reboots without warning, and everyone else actually gets warnings and notifications and the option to reschedule.
Hey! Another company that's doing A/B testing! (Yeah, let's implement 2x (or more) the code and test both since we can't make up our minds)
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@Jaloopa said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I've never seen a revert actually work before
I've had to reinstall Windows before when it got stuck in a revert loop
Ditto. In my case, it was a case of hardware dying. Sometimes doing a recovery to the last checkpoint would work.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I turn my PC off when I'm not using it, so it gets rebooted a couple times daily. It still auto-reboots for updates when I'm using it.
I wonder if you don't leave the machine on long enough for it to finish downloading updates, so once it does get a chance to finish downloading them, they're a week old already and it forces the reboot. Try leaving the computer on all day, and only turning it off at night.
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Maybe people who have a problem with completely automatic updates should change it to the 'tell me and schedule it' mode.
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@Rhywden said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
mistake of installing a software from Samsung for my SSD.
What? Didn't you know? They're a software company now!
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@tharpa said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
so I think they would see that it wasn't really stuck before they turned it off.
That requires observation skills.
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@dcon said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Rhywden said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
mistake of installing a software from Samsung for my SSD.
What? Didn't you know? They're a software company now!
Yes, I know. We do have this enlightening thread around, y'know?
I'm still fascinated by how they take a strongly typed language, make it weakly(*) typed and deem that a good idea.
(*) And by "weak" I mean: The same kind of "weak" as a coffee that has seen a solitary coffee bean from a distance of 3 meters.
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@Rhywden C isn't very strongly-typed anyway.
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@blakeyrat Ah, ok. So it's more like homeopathy, then: Water it down until there's practically no sign of the original substance anymore and declare the product to be stronger for it.
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@dcon said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
In my case, it was a case of hardware dying. Sometimes doing a recovery to the last checkpoint would work.
I had that happen once, a couple years ago. I solved it--after a bunch of effort--by manually installing updates one at a time until I got past the one that was unable to automatically apply.
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This is the Win 8.1 lock screen. The 10 version is similar in that it also has the little yellow message at the bottom.
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@Circuitsoft said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I turn my PC off when I'm not using it, so it gets rebooted a couple times daily. It still auto-reboots for updates when I'm using it.
I wonder if you don't leave the machine on long enough for it to finish downloading updates, so once it does get a chance to finish downloading them, they're a week old already and it forces the reboot. Try leaving the computer on all day, and only turning it off at night.
If I do that, it'll be 95°F in my apartment by the time I get home from work, and I'd have to run the A/C, and I'd no longer have $40 monthly electric bills.
@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
This is the Win 8.1 lock screen. The 10 version is similar in that it also has the little yellow message at the bottom.
I saw that all the time when I had 8.1. I've never seen it on 10.
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Well, clearly using Windows is a hindrance to your workflow. In this case you might be better off not using it for work.
I'm not even trying to snark here.I'm using it for email, Office, Visual Studio and Adobe stuff.
I tried doing a few recent smaller projects on Windows, and it was pretty painful. Mostly due to the lack of nix shell.
@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@cartman82 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
On Mac, I can restart the system, and have everything brought back up the way it was before.
People keep saying this. Is it smart enough to bring back a telnet session where you had a command half-typed?
....... why would I know that?
I know that it brings up all the applications, all the opened windows and their exact layout.
I guess this is a big deal on Mac, since the usual workflow there consists of keeping a million windows open all the time and just bringing whatever crap you're currently working on to the top of the garbage pile. If you lost this entire fiddly layout every time you restarted, there'd be blood.
@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@boomzilla said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Well done. Hopefully the rest of the beaten down Windows using masses here will take note.
Meh. I mean, what do you want? I learned to modify my workflow years ago so that I don't (for example) leave stuff running overnight that might be gone in the morning. It's also cheap insurance since no place I've ever worked has been willing to spend the money on a UPS, so if the building loses power, it's going to happen anyway.
@cartman82 do you have a UPS capable of running overnight if you lose power?
No. How often does that happen?
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Rhywden said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@cartman82 And then we contrast your special snowflake case with the millions of clueless users who wouldn't update their PCs if someone didn't force them to.
I had way too many support talks over "I cannot access the internet and this page on my browser says I'm locked out due to something called a ZEUS exploit kit?" for your attitude to hold much water with me.
So, what you are saying here is, Windows 10 is designed to be used by clueless users and only them, so every IT professionals should avoid it ?
Thanks for the tip, that's what I will do.
The sad thing is, a lot of Microsoft's recent efforts went into catering to professionals. And it'll all be in vain. They just can't help doing this self defeating crap, like the forced updates.
And it'd be so easy to do it right. Look at how chrome does it. A little green indicator appears. A few days later, it turns yellow. A few days after that, it turns red. Then, there's a distracting little animation. Eventually, you're just annoyed enough to restart the browser and apply the update.
If MS did something like that, they would have achieved the goal, except with tons less bad publicity and lost good will. But no, that would require MS to have some fucking style. Fat chance of that.
@Rhywden said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Frankly, if you whine that much about a forced reboot maybe once or twice a month, then I can only say: "Good riddance."
"Yeah, get lost! (sniff) Go to your Apple! (sniff) Plenty of fun left here in the Windows world, with all the secretaries and granmas!"
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@dcon said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
In my case, it was a case of hardware dying. Sometimes doing a recovery to the last checkpoint would work.
I had that happen once, a couple years ago. I solved it--after a bunch of effort--by manually installing updates one at a time until I got past the one that was unable to automatically apply.
It wasn't a matter of automatically applying for me. Something would install and the bluescreened. Sometimes a checkpoint would work. Sometimes it was a full system recovery. But at least we never lost the user files... (it was a good lesson for teaching about backups!)
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@cartman82 I see you're still whining. Very professional.
From the amount of tears spilled, one can only assume that you're forced to reboot on a hourly basis or something.
So, put some facts on the table: How often does this happen really?
Or is this one of those things you people usually laugh about because others insist on blowing them all out of proportion? Or is it the principle of the thing? If it's the latter: Get over yourselves.
Yes, you're special snowflakes, we get it.
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@Rhywden Imagine that you're about to host a webinar for a bunch of prospective customers, and your PC reboots halfway into the presentation, taking long enough that everyone drops off the call because your PC is stuck doing updates without giving you any forewarning or chance to delay until afterwards. Now you've lost customers. Not good.
Now imagine that you go into the Control Panel and tell it to download, but not install without prompting, but that setting doesn't work and it still reboots halfway through your presentation.
Now imagine you go into Windows Services and turn off the Windows Update service, but your PC still reboots halfway through your presentation because the Win10 update settings don't actually work.
Then imagine that you follow some convoluted guide of registry hacks and GPO to disable Windows Updates, but your PC still reboots halfway through your presentation because Win10 updates don't actually obey the registry or GPO.
Now imagine some idiot thinks that this is perfectly acceptable behaviour and only special snowflakes would have a problem with that.
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@sloosecannon Ive had Windows refuse to sleep the monitors because a YouTube tab was focused.
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@mott555 Meanwhile, the rest of us live in the real world.