Discussion of NodeBB Updates
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@bobjanova said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Particularly as - entirely coincidentally? - nodeBB seems to be taking a crap all over its deployment today and going down, and maybe we want to talk about that :)
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@bobjanova said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Yeah seriously can you take the discussion about religion and whatever to another thread?
Particularly as - entirely coincidentally? - nodeBB seems to be taking a crap all over its deployment today and going down, and maybe we want to talk about that :)
The last working theory I heard was that people are trying to download their post history.
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@abarker said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I remember a time when some organization was running a Super Bowl ad that praised Alexander Graham Bell, and the (large) Deaf organizations at my school threatened boycotts.
His wife was deaf and he worked closely with deaf people. One of his students was Helen Keller.
Is it because his hope was that, one day, deafness would be completely curable?
Yes. The capital-D Deaf organizations see deafness as a culture and not a disease/illness to be cured.
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@PleegWat said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
The last working theory I heard was that people are trying to download their post history.
Is there a way to throttle that? Still let people download it, but don't let it kill the rest of the forum? If not, that should be a high-priority (I think) issue for @barisu and crew.
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@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PleegWat said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
The last working theory I heard was that people are trying to download their post history.
Is there a way to throttle that? Still let people download it, but don't let it kill the rest of the forum? If not, that should be a high-priority (I think) issue for @barisu and crew.
I'd start with the profile JSON export if I was on Team NodeBB. Exporting among other things the content of every post the user has liked or downvoted doesn't really scale very well.
IME (from during The Banning™) the post export to CSV takes a few seconds but the profile JSON export never completes - presumably because it times out the request and keeps running in the background as the node you're on when starting it starts to slow down very shortly after.
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@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PleegWat said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
The last working theory I heard was that people are trying to download their post history.
Is there a way to throttle that? Still let people download it, but don't let it kill the rest of the forum? If not, that should be a high-priority (I think) issue for @barisu and crew.
Should be done soon.
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@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
IME (from during The Banning™) the post export to CSV takes a few seconds but the profile JSON export never completes - presumably because it times out the request and keeps running in the background as the node you're on when starting it starts to slow down very shortly after.
I don't think that's exactly what's going on. More likely table locks inside the DB (remember, no real schema, pretending to be Mongo).
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PleegWat said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
The last working theory I heard was that people are trying to download their post history.
Is there a way to throttle that? Still let people download it, but don't let it kill the rest of the forum? If not, that should be a high-priority (I think) issue for @barisu and crew.
Should be done
soonnow.
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PleegWat said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
The last working theory I heard was that people are trying to download their post history.
Is there a way to throttle that? Still let people download it, but don't let it kill the rest of the forum? If not, that should be a high-priority (I think) issue for @barisu and crew.
Should be done
soonnow.Tempted to test it...but will refrain.
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@Benjamin-Hall the solution was to block the URL that triggers the profile export at the nginx level. When it works we can unblock it, but at least @TimeBandit can't hit the kill switch.
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@boomzilla can confirm:
What? You didn't think that no one would test it, do you?
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@Polygeekery Are you trying to burn down the Inedo datacenter?
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@hungrier maaaaaaaybe?
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@hungrier said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Polygeekery Are you trying to burn down the Inedo datacenter?
Are you assuming the forums are self-hosted?
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@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
What? You didn't think that no one would test it, do you?
I definitely did. I was the first to test it before I announced it, so I wasn't too worried at that point.
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@hungrier said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Are you trying to burn down the Inedo datacenter?
Don't worry, this thing is hosted in
Worst that can happen is some snow melting
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@hungrier said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Polygeekery Are you trying to burn down the Inedo datacenter?
Datacenter? You mean this place does not run on the oracle cloud?
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@PleegWat said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
You mean this place does not run on the oracle cloud?
Taking it down from the inside, one virtual server at a time.
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@Polygeekery
Very Mr. Robot of you.This could explain why you are failing those captchas
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@bobjanova said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Yeah seriously can you take the discussion about religion and whatever to another thread?
Particularly as - entirely coincidentally? - nodeBB seems to be taking a crap all over its deployment today and going down, and maybe we want to talk about that :)
While we're (back?) on the subject, can we please roll back the monstrosity of an update that makes the composer take up 3/4 of the screen?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@abarker said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I remember a time when some organization was running a Super Bowl ad that praised Alexander Graham Bell, and the (large) Deaf organizations at my school threatened boycotts.
His wife was deaf and he worked closely with deaf people. One of his students was Helen Keller.
Is it because his hope was that, one day, deafness would be completely curable?
Yes. The capital-D Deaf organizations see deafness as a culture and not a disease/illness to be cured.
Doesn't "culture" mean that thing scientists do to grow diseases in a petri dish?
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@bobjanova said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Yeah seriously can you take the discussion about religion and whatever to another thread?
Particularly as - entirely coincidentally? - nodeBB seems to be taking a crap all over its deployment today and going down, and maybe we want to talk about that :)
While we're (back?) on the subject, can we please roll back the monstrosity of an update that makes the composer take up 3/4 of the screen?
We can probably put in some custom CSS to remove it. I'm a bit apprehensive about rolling back the update. We moved to a new minor version and I don't know if it included any DB "schema" updates.
I guess I should ask the NodeBB devs if they'd expect anything to break if we downgrade.
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I guess I should ask the NodeBB devs if they'd expect anything to break if we downgrade.
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@boomzilla I don't think there's a CSS solution to it, as the minimum size is set in some Javascript settings file in the composer resize plugin (or something like that; the exact commit has been posted )
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I guess I should ask the NodeBB devs if they'd expect anything to break if we downgrade.
That should be 1.13 and 1.14, no?
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I just discovered that editing Garage post is disabled too.
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The composer size window makes the forums almost unusable on a 2015 MacBook Air.
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@Polygeekery you know you've been able to resize it for ages, yes? This is just about the minimum size changing
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Hey, for once I'm not the person who tested whether or not doing something would bring down the server.
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@pie_flavor said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Hey, for once I'm not the person who tested whether or not doing something would bring down the server.
To be fair, it wasn't a test...
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@pie_flavor said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Hey, for once I'm not the person who tested whether or not doing something would bring down the server.
I don't remember you being very active in the Likes thread.
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@Gąska But you may remember me bringing down the server a couple of times.
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@pie_flavor I'm not saying you haven't, but truth to be told, I don't.
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@Gąska you don't? It was fun.
https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1415526
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@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
The composer size window makes the forums almost unusable on a 2015 MacBook Air.
Posting this on a 2015 MacBook Air for comparison, I have to say this isn't even close to unusable. But that's probably because I'm used to much, much, MUCH worse and all my rants that posting on mobile is totally broken were shrugged off.
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@topspin said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
all my rants that posting on mobile is totally broken were shrugged off.
That reminds me, I need to schmuck a new screenshot now that my phone is an inch longer...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Status: As my first act of moderation, if I am chosen, I am splitting the past thousand or so posts into a minimum of four new topics...
Today I learned you can split posts. I did learn how to respond to a "flag" though, and got some good deleting training in.
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@apapadimoulis said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Today I learned you can split posts. I did learn how to respond to a "flag" though, and got some good deleting training in.
The Jeff is strong in this one.
We will wear you out. It's not uncommon for topics to completely change subjects within 10 posts. I know you're wanting to keep the pollution down in your thread but with all of us you're trying to push a rope. None of us know how to stay on topic.
I'm just going to stay out of that thread.
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@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@apapadimoulis said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Today I learned you can split posts. I did learn how to respond to a "flag" though, and got some good deleting training in.
The Jeff is strong in this one.
We will wear you out. It's not uncommon for topics to completely change subjects within 10 posts. I know you're wanting to keep the pollution down in your thread but with all of us you're trying to push a rope. None of us know how to stay on topic.
I'm just going to stay out of that thread.
You can't fight topic drift everywhere. But there are some places where we've historically said staying on topic is desirable.
That said, I understand jeffing significant numbers of posts is more work than it's worth.
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@Jaloopa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Polygeekery you know you've been able to resize it for ages, yes? This is just about the minimum size changing
It works very poorly when the zoom level isn't 100%. Here's what it looks like at 150% zoom:
That's the minimum size, you can't drag the arrow lower than that.
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Didn't someone figure out where the line of code was that was setting it? I'm sure we can put a patch in to fix it in our dockerfile like we've done for other things.
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Didn't someone figure out where the line of code was that was setting it? I'm sure we can put a patch in to fix it in our dockerfile like we've done for other things.
There was a link to the exact patch which is one line:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Zenith said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I don't know where people are getting 40% minimum from either.
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@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
It's not uncommon for topics to completely change subjects within 1
0posts.
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@PleegWat said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@apapadimoulis said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Today I learned you can split posts. I did learn how to respond to a "flag" though, and got some good deleting training in.
The Jeff is strong in this one.
We will wear you out. It's not uncommon for topics to completely change subjects within 10 posts. I know you're wanting to keep the pollution down in your thread but with all of us you're trying to push a rope. None of us know how to stay on topic.
I'm just going to stay out of that thread.
You can't fight topic drift everywhere. But there are some places where we've historically said staying on topic is desirable.
And there's one topic that gets frequently derailed, but we always come back to the main subject eventually, except this subject has nothing to do with OP.
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@Gąska said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PleegWat said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@apapadimoulis said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Today I learned you can split posts. I did learn how to respond to a "flag" though, and got some good deleting training in.
The Jeff is strong in this one.
We will wear you out. It's not uncommon for topics to completely change subjects within 10 posts. I know you're wanting to keep the pollution down in your thread but with all of us you're trying to push a rope. None of us know how to stay on topic.
I'm just going to stay out of that thread.
You can't fight topic drift everywhere. But there are some places where we've historically said staying on topic is desirable.
And there's one topic that gets frequently derailed, but we always come back to the main subject eventually, except this subject has nothing to do with OP.
The expected value of a random walk of n steps is
±√n
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@error except this is not random behavior. Other than in the "hahaha I'm so random" sense.
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Chaotic behavior often has similar properties to random.
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@error you remind me of whoever it was who argued in Vote Balance Thread that his method of randomly selecting between upvote and downvote within 5 minutes of the post appearing should, on average, lead to balance.