Discussion of NodeBB Updates
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Hurrah
/unread
Infiniscroll is fixed!
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@loopback0 Huzzah! Sadly, I don't have enough topics in
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to observe this for myself.
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PJH said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Grey vs gray is not
en_gb
vsen_us
. They're actually in free variation on both sides of the pond.In much the same way as colour vs color.
Not really. Gray and grey are both acceptable American spellings. Colour is not.
Yes, much like its and it's are both acceptable American spellings, because Americans are too dumb to know which spelling they're supposed to use.
edit: for the record, I am American.
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@brie Whereas you all can't tell the difference between soccer and football.
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@pie_flavor Soccer is where you user your foot to kick a ball. Football is where you use your hand to carry a not-quite-ball.
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@pie_flavor said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@brie Whereas you all can't tell the difference between soccer and football.
Well, "soccer" and "football" are synonyms.
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@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 Huzzah! Sadly, I don't have enough topics in
/unread
to observe this for myself.I don't normally but got a bit behind.
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@Atazhaia said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@pie_flavor Soccer is where you user your foot to kick a ball. Football is where you use your hand to carry a not-quite-ball.
Football is where you use a foot-long ball. Soccer is where you use a 2/3 of a foot ball.
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how does it feel to have this feature added to Mastodon before NodeBB got it?
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
how does it feel to have this feature added to Mastodon before NodeBB got it?
It feels... undetermined.
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@ben_lubar Be the sea you want to change in the world
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
how does it feel to have this feature added to Mastodon before NodeBB got it?
Ask one of Mastodon's seven users.
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@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
how does it feel to have this feature added to Mastodon before NodeBB got it?
Ask one of Mastodon's seven users.
You made this post when there were already ten votes.
You clearly know that there are TEN Mastodon users.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
how does it feel to have this feature added to Mastodon before NodeBB got it?
Ask one of Mastodon's seven users.
You made this post when there were already ten votes.
You clearly know that there are TEN Mastodon users.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/136/Non-Sequitur
Upvotes do not a userbase make.
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@ben_lubar In fact NodeBB had a similar feature, which broke your sanitizer so you disabled it.
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@pie_flavor said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar In fact NodeBB had a similar feature, which broke your sanitizer so you disabled it.
GitHub flavored Markdown checklists are in no way similar to federated polls.
Unless you include "uses HTML form elements" as a way to call two things very similar.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
how does it feel to have this feature added to Mastodon before NodeBB got it?
E_FEELING_NOT_FOUND
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@pie_flavor said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar In fact NodeBB had a similar feature, which broke your sanitizer so you disabled it.
Polls?
I remember some kind of thing which allowed mods to post checklists that only they could update (and checking/unchecking the boxes automatically edited the post to reflect the change). But it could only be updated by the person who created it. The most basic principle of a poll is that others can vote on it, and it should tally up the votes.
It got disabled because it wasn't really very useful.
Were you maybe thinking of something different?
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@brie said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
The most basic principle of a poll is that others can vote on it
It's also the biggest problem with polls - other people get a vote.
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@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@brie said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
The most basic principle of a poll is that others can vote on it
It's also the biggest problem with polls - other people get a vote.
I edited my instance to allow one-option polls, so that's not an issue.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@brie said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
The most basic principle of a poll is that others can vote on it
It's also the biggest problem with polls - other people get a vote.
I edited my instance to allow one-option polls, so that's not an issue.
Approved. Deploy to Production.
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@loopback0
Still bitter about a certain referendum huh?
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Not really. Gray and grey are both acceptable American spellings. Colour is not.
Someone told me on this forum that english has no central authority who could say a determined spelling is or isn't acceptable, iirc.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Not really. Gray and grey are both acceptable American spellings. Colour is not.
Someone told me on this forum that english has no central authority who could say a determined spelling is or isn't acceptable, iirc.
That's true. But it doesn't mean that colour is considered acceptable American English.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Not really. Gray and grey are both acceptable American spellings. Colour is not.
Someone told me on this forum that english has no central authority who could say a determined spelling is or isn't acceptable, iirc.
True, there is no central authority, and dictionaries are considered descriptive, not prescriptive. However, in a small sample of online dictionaries, 2/3 American dictionaries didn't even mention colour as an alternative spelling; the one that did said, "Regional note: In BRIT, use colour." One even has a "-or" usage note, but still doesn't mention "-our." (Both OED and Cambridge give color as the US spelling.) I wouldn't say it's wrong, exactly, to use "-our" in the US, but it's certainly nonstandard; if you do, you'll be assumed to be either British or affecting British mannerisms. (The one exception I can think of is the use of British "-re" in the word Theatre; a building is a theater, but to practitioners of the art of acting and related occupations, the craft of stage performance is Theatre. Of course, that is an affectation, too.)
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@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
True, there is no central authority, and dictionaries are considered descriptive, not prescriptive.
By who? They are both descriptive and prescriptive.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Not really. Gray and grey are both acceptable American spellings. Colour is not.
Someone told me on this forum that english has no central authority who could say a determined spelling is or isn't acceptable, iirc.
paging @accalia...
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@jinpa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
True, there is no central authority, and dictionaries are considered descriptive, not prescriptive.
By who? They are both descriptive and prescriptive.
If there was a central authority on English, it would say that the correct phrase is "by whom".
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@brie said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@jinpa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
True, there is no central authority, and dictionaries are considered descriptive, not prescriptive.
By who? They are both descriptive and prescriptive.
If there was a central authority on English, it would say that the correct phrase is "by whom".
Or, if you're into internet memes, by whomst'd've'ly'yaint'nt'ed'ies's'y'es
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@brie said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@jinpa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
True, there is no central authority, and dictionaries are considered descriptive, not prescriptive.
By who? They are both descriptive and prescriptive.
If there was a central authority on English, it would say that the correct phrase is "by whom".
If there were a central authority on English, it would say that the correct phrase is "If there were".
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@kazitor I briefly considered editing my post after submitting it, but I decided to just leave it alone.
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@jinpa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
True, there is no central authority, and dictionaries are considered descriptive, not prescriptive.
By who? They are both descriptive and prescriptive.
Yes and no. People use them prescriptively — "What is the correct spelling of word?"; "What does word mean?" — but the people who write the dictionaries will tell you that word isn't spelled that way or have that definition because they say so; rather, because that is the way it is spelled and used in current, common usage. People use dictionaries prescriptively; lexicographers of the English language write dictionaries descriptively.
Contrast this with French, where L'Académie française imposes the definition of "correct" spelling and semantics, and dictionaries are 100% prescriptive.
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@kazitor said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@brie said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@jinpa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
True, there is no central authority, and dictionaries are considered descriptive, not prescriptive.
By who? They are both descriptive and prescriptive.
If there was a central authority on English, it would say that the correct phrase is "by whom".
If there were a central authority on English, it would say that the correct phrase is "If there were".
If there was a central authority for English, they would be on sick leave with stress permanently.
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@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Contrast this with French, where L'Académie française imposes the definition of "correct" spelling and semantics, and
dictionaries arethe Dictionnaire de l'Académie is 100% prescriptive.All other dictionaries operate just like you said for English.
Of course, that's just in theory, since in practice the Académie outputs a new dictionary every never or so. The last full edition dates from the 1930's, they've been writing a new one since at least the 90' and have apparently reached the letter 'S'. So in effect they can only really be prescribing what's already been described.
And anyway almost everyone ignores what the Académie says, in part because of its ridiculous update rate, no one is going to buy a dictionary that they know is already 80 years out-of-date, or incomplete!
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@remi said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
almost everyone ignores what the Académie says
So you're saying that les Français ne sont pas aussi fous qu'ils le paraissent?
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@pie_flavor said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Atazhaia said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@pie_flavor Soccer is where you user your foot to kick a ball. Football is where you use your hand to carry a not-quite-ball.
Football is where you use a foot-long ball. Soccer is where you
use a 2/3 of a foot ballwear really long socks to kick a ball.
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@remi said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Of course, that's just in theory, since in practice the Académie outputs a new dictionary every never or so. The last full edition dates from the 1930's, they've been writing a new one since at least the 90' and have apparently reached the letter 'S'. So in effect they can only really be prescribing what's already been described.
They may not be producing a hard-copy, but they're certainly active.
Are you unaware that they [invent new|repurpose old] words simply so that anglicised words may not be used?
There's a reason la computer and le email aren't official terms.
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@PJH Which makes for significant hilarity when translators use the words' official first meaning.
"Jeremie! Quick! Xana is taking over the
supercalculator
! Get thestuff
to stop hisremote charging
!"
(supercomputer, software, downloading.)
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@PJH said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
la computer
Possibly a typoe, but that would be le ordinateur.
Looks like I've accidentally invented a new word.
Typoe: when it becomes impossible to determine when someone made a fake typo or a real one.
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@TwelveBaud said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PJH Which makes for significant hilarity when translators use the words' official first meaning.
"Jeremie! Quick! Xana is taking over the
supercalculator
! Get thestuff
to stop hisremote charging
!"
(supercomputer, software, downloading.)Most important though is to save Jeremie’s girlfriend.
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@Zecc said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PJH said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
la computer
Possibly a typoe, but that would be le ordinateur.
Looks like I've accidentally invented a new word.
Typoe: when it becomes impossible to determine when someone made a fake typo or a real one.But la computer. It was deliberate. Everyone knows computers are female - you've seen them naked when using sites like pornhub no doubt.
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@PJH said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Zecc said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PJH said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
la computer
Possibly a typoe, but that would be le ordinateur.
Looks like I've accidentally invented a new word.
Typoe: when it becomes impossible to determine when someone made a fake typo or a real one.But la computer. It was deliberate. Everyone knows computers are female - you've seen them naked when using sites like pornhub no doubt.
ponders on the computers that identify as attack helicopters...
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@PJH said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@remi said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Of course, that's just in theory, since in practice the Académie outputs a new dictionary every never or so. The last full edition dates from the 1930's, they've been writing a new one since at least the 90' and have apparently reached the letter 'S'. So in effect they can only really be prescribing what's already been described.
They may not be producing a hard-copy, but they're certainly active.
They are indeed, but my point was that in practice no one ever goes to look at their dictionary. Everyone uses any other dictionary that they happen to have available. Of course those other dictionaries are (in part, but not exclusively, as they are e.g. quicker than the Académie at integrating new words) based on the Académie's, but still.
Are you unaware that they [invent new|repurpose old] words simply so that anglicised words may not be used?
I think I've already joked about this quite enough in the past.
*le <abbr title="courrier (short for 'courrier electronique')">email</abbr>*
aren't official terms.you meant
courriel
, notcourrier
?Their inventions usually fall into 2 groups: either they are so wildly successful (like "ordinateur" for "computer") that no one ever remembers that it was an invention and not just a "true" word (whatever that means); or they are entirely ignored except to mock them (one of the most egregious that I remember is "cédérom" for "CD-ROM"...). "Courriel" is somewhat between the two, it started as ridiculous, but as years are passing I see it used more often and I think it's gaining some ground.
Of course in the end the Académie (or the government) can prescribe whatever they want, they don't decide on the actual usage, and in many cases in the end the Académie cannot do anything but recognize a specific usage and make it into the rules.
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@remi said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PJH said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
*le <abbr title="courrier (short for 'courrier electronique')">email</abbr>*
aren't official terms.you meant
courriel
, notcourrier
?No.
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@PJH said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@remi said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@PJH said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
*le <abbr title="courrier (short for 'courrier electronique')">email</abbr>*
aren't official terms.you meant
courriel
, notcourrier
?Non.
FTFY
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@PJH But then it would be "courrier électronique", not "courrier" like you said. Read the article you linked, it uses "courrier électronique" or "courriel", but not "courrier" alone.
So my
stays.
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@remi said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
in many cases in the end the Académie cannot do anything but recognize a specific usage and make it into the rules.
My favourite example is "énervé" (literally "with nerves removed") which initially meant "without energy" but nowadays means the opposite ("angered").
The 6th edition (1835) only has the original meaning. The 8th edition (1935) states both meanings, without giving any priority. The current edition (9th, on-going) also has both meanings, but the first one is labelled as "vieilli" (old).
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@remi said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@remi said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
in many cases in the end the Académie cannot do anything but recognize a specific usage and make it into the rules.
My favourite example is "énervé" (literally "with nerves removed") which initially meant "without energy" but nowadays means the opposite ("angered").
The 6th edition (1835) only has the original meaning. The 8th edition (1935) states both meanings, without giving any priority. The current edition (9th, on-going) also has both meanings, but the first one is labelled as "vieilli" (old).
You are either highly energized, or completely deadened!
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@Tsaukpaetra Why not both? Some highly energized people seem to be deadened from the neck up.
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